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I had an opportunity to attend the seminars of both Dr ATRE and Dr narayan and they both vehemently emphasized on the point that india can not achieve desired self reliance without developing her own propulsion systms be it 1500hp engines,GTs etc.And there is no shortcut -or "40% modification" that will lead to solution of problem! Accountability in DPSUs is the primary reason that needs to be addressed and thankfully modi govt is encouraging pvt players to take up manufacturing that were earlier sacred rights of DPSUs
 
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@amardeep mishra

Indigenous Jet engines say Kaveri MK 2 / K 10 ( Whatever ) is atleast TEN YEARS away

The 3 new aircraft ie Tejas mk 2 ; Rafale and Pakfa ALL have their
engines decided namely GE 414 ; M 88 and AL 41

We need an engine IF we make AMCA

It will be much better if we can make engines for FMBT / Arjun Mk2
 
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i have close to 5 GB worth of seminar videos,Dr ATRE is known for his expertise in signal processing and was closely associated with various SONAR development projects and was once DG of DRDO
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Dr ATRE explaining beam steering!
 

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i have close to 5 GB worth of seminar videos,Dr ATRE is known for his expertise in signal processing and was closely associated with various SONAR development projects and was once DG of DRDOView attachment 163575

Dr ATRE explaining beam steering!

DO BE CAREFUL about what you share here. This is defence.pk. remember that buddy ! hate to sound like this but that's the truth.
 
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DO BE CAREFUL about what you share here. This is defence.pk. remember that buddy ! hate to sound like this but that's the truth.

calm down man,the pics i have posted are nothing confidential and relating to PUBLIC seminar in my college.
 
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calm down man,the pics i have posted are nothing confidential and relating to PUBLIC seminar in my college.

jus' saying dude ! there is a lot more ways to do a lot of stuff, they can track your ip address, scan your computer and find out it's contents through what you think is legitimate software, find out your address, your phone can have software transmitting to a server....it's not just about what you post here. i mean these things do happen.

i'm just sounding cautious. just in case you have some stuff which might be a direction to a give away.
 
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the answer is simple,back in late 80s,probably around 87-90 indian planners desired a higher degree of self reliance in terms of propulsion hence they decided to go ahead with the development of gas turbine all on their own.

Which is fine when you have at least a bit of know how and experience in the field, but when you don't it's just plain stupid to combine a fighter development with the engine development and making the one dependent on the success of the other.

Secondly back in late 80s when this program was undertaken and even now india is much more prone to sanctions than swedes.

But only from the US, we didn't had any issues during sanctions with supply of weapons or spares from Russia or France, that's why it was more than a valuable chance to go either with one of them for a joint development (Shakti engine like for starters), or to take one of their engines off the shelf and develop Kaveri independently. But DRDO, not IAF prefered the US partners and DRDO not IAF decided to go for an Indian fighter with so many core developments with high risks (engine, radar FCS).
In fact, IAF back then wanted additional Mirage 2000s, so we could easily had get a deal for additional once + the licence production of the engine for LCA too and same would had been possible with the Russian engine, that we also assemble at HAL in it's core version for the Mig 29. So not the lack of options, nor the risk of sanctions was an issue, it was just highly naiv planing of DRDO and overstimation of their own capability.

According to GTRE's own research engineers,the metallurgy of russian engines is still a GENERATION behind that of latest western GTs

So what? The priority was to get IAF a new Indian low end fighter and only because GTRE wanted to develop something on a level with western counterparts, doesn't mean they have the capability to do so. This thinking within DRDO that they and their products are world class is one of the main issues and why they always aim too high and make things far too complicated. The nation would benefit far more from DRDO, if they stick to easy and low end developments that are realisticaly accoring to what they actually can deliver.

We don't need AMCA on the high level, we need LCA on the low end, in numbers as soon as possible!
We don't need AWACS India on the high level, we need more EMB 145 DRDO AWACS on the low end, in numbers as soon as possible!
We don't need an indigenous AESA for LCA around 2020, we need a working puls doppler radar today, for around 100 Jags and 40 LCA MK1s!


DRDO must start to re-think and focus on making things simple and deliver the basics our forces needs, only then they can aim higher and on exports. If they don't delays and development failures will remain in future, just as the dependance on imports.

@sancho

The links I have posted clearly support my statements

I know, but you are talking about the time when the US engines were procured, the concept, design and development of the fighter however started years earlier 1980s/90s and had an indigenous engine as the base.
 
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