No democracy whatsoever for Yemen and Bahrain

[T-Rex]

Mubarek and Gaddafi were both allies with America before all this protests. Don't forget it was America who has funded and helped Saddam Hussein to start a war with Iran. Matter of fact, the Donald Rumsfield, who was one of the masterminds to have designed the war, himeself met Saddam hussein back in 1990's to arm him with weapons.
America funded Mubarek because of Israel. The common masses in middle east don't accept Israel, and thats the only reason they have funded Mubarek. America has been taking its tax payers money and handing them over to a few rich people in developing countries.

Just who is an american backed despot, asks mr. roy_gourav! He needs a pair of glasses or perhaps the hubble telescope!

 

[Roybot]

Mubarek and Gaddafi were both allies with America before all this protests. Don't forget it was America who has funded and helped Saddam Hussein to start a war with Iran. Matter of fact, the Donald Rumsfield, who was one of the masterminds to have designed the war, himeself met Saddam hussein back in 1990's to arm him with weapons.
America funded Mubarek because of Israel. The common masses in middle east don't accept Israel, and thats the only reason they have funded Mubarek. America has been taking its tax payers money and handing them over to a few rich people in developing countries.

Mubarak might have been pro American, but then again he stepped down under pressure and without much blood shed, well not as much as Libya, Syria or Yemen. But Gaddafi? Since when is he a pro American? Can you elaborate on this claim of yours please?

About America helping Iraq during the war, whose fault do you think it was? Ok America went and offered support, but why did Saddam felt the need to accept their offer?

Iraq felt the need to ask America to come and help it bully Iran, which shows weakness and lack of spine on the part of Iraq. Thats exactly what Saudi Arabia is doing now. Whose fault is it? Americas or Saudi's?

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

Have you noticed that the indians and israelis on this forum have nothing to say about this. These incidents should be brought up whenever these indians try to defend uncle sam on the issue of democracy and human rights. The article is from the Russian newspaper Pravda. The Russians are quite aware of uncle sam's real intentions. What's funny is that on the Pravda forum whenever people ask questions about the indo-Russian relationship, the Russians shy away from the topic and a few even go as far as describing india as a fair weather friend.

Thanks for this information in bold . Russia-India friendship forever .

About US , well yes they should take action in Yemen as well and if they dont its hypocrisy .

 

[Roybot]

Gaddafi and Asad are not the only despots in the region. Saleh was supported by the americans and the americans have on many occasions openly admitted that though out of your unstoppable desire to show your loyalty to america you do what even the americans do not expect you to do, it's like more Catholic than the Pope. Of course nothing can stop you from declaring that the sheikhs of the region are not the puppets of america, after all it takes courage and decency to accept the truth and you have none of them.

Yes they are definitely not the only ones in the region, but the point is that they are despots. Despots backed by whom? The situation in Bahrain and Yemen has more to do with Shia-Sunni politics and you should know that being a muslim. Did you also raise the voice when UAE and Saudi Arabia sent their troops to cull the Shiite Bahrain protesters? Are you allowed to raise voice against the might Arabs?

I couldn't care less about America. Don't forget India had to save its as* from America during the Bangladesh Liberation War. Did Pakistan feel ashamed of asking America to butt in? Surely America didn't send their Seventh Fleet into the Bay of Bengal on their own? They were requested by Pakistan to interfere! And there in lies your problem. Muslim countries keep inviting America to come and quell their civil wars and help them bully their neighbours. Whose fault is it? Americas or those Muslims countries? America looks after the interests of its own country so it joins in(when its has something to gain), but your mighty Muslim ummah leaders only look after their throne and leadership. Thats the problem. But I guess you will never understand since its the case of another South Asian Muslim being more Arab than an Arab.

Anyways to each his own, further discussions will be futile.

P.S: I would like to see Saleh, Assad and the likes to go too, but expecting America to do it and blaming them for the mess, don't agree with that.

 

[Dhruv V Singh]

Bangldeshis can hate America all they want, but given a chance each one of them would like to migrate to America

 

[saleen_s7]

Mubarak might have been pro American, but then again he stepped down under pressure and without much blood shed, well not as much as Libya, Syria or Yemen. But Gaddafi? Since when is he a pro American? Can you elaborate on this claim of yours please?

About America helping Iraq during the war, whose fault do you think it was? Ok America went and offered support, but why did Saddam felt the need to accept their offer?

Iraq felt the need to ask America to come and help it bully Iran, which shows weakness and lack of spine on the part of Iraq. Thats exactly what Saudi Arabia is doing now. Whose fault is it? Americas or Saudi's?

Interesting indeed. Do you not know how much America has funded Egypt? Don't you think this was mainly done in order to get some regional strategic power over the area. Because most of the people in Egypt would not recognise Israel. America paid a few billion dollars every year to Mubarek. Matter of fact the weapons he used on his own people were mainly American equipments. Gaddafi was pretty much under America's control. He used to talk a lot of none sense, but he always did whatever America wanted him to do like get rid of nuclear weapons. Do you know that LSE is being scrutinised for letting Gaddafi's people in their universities and that too on special arrangements?
And for the saddam hussein bit, I am no supporter of Saddam Hussein, I don't even know where you even came with that. But what gives America the right to attack saddam hussein on the pretext of weapons of mass destruction, when it was them who provided them with those weapons. Did you know Saddam Hussein used weapons of mass destruction on Iran? Why do you think America needed to fund Iraq? Do you know the sanctions against iraq just before the war alone killed hundreds of thousands of people?
Look, I know you are really pro American, but you can't put everything in black and white. I support America in many ways, but its not morally right to support dictators while preaching democracy.

 

[secularbuster]

Yes they are definitely not the only ones in the region, but the point is that they are despots. Despots backed by whom? The situation in Bahrain and Yemen has more to do with Shia-Sunni politics and you should know that being a muslim. Did you also raise the voice when UAE and Saudi Arabia sent their troops to cull the Shiite Bahrain protesters? Are you allowed to raise voice against the might Arabs?

I couldn't care less about America. Don't forget India had to save its as* from America during the Bangladesh Liberation War. Did Pakistan feel ashamed of asking America to butt in? Surely America didn't send their Seventh Fleet into the Bay of Bengal on their own? They were requested by Pakistan to interfere! And there in lies your problem. Muslim countries keep inviting America to come and quell their civil wars and help them bully their neighbours. Whose fault is it? Americas or those Muslims countries? America looks after the interests of its own country so it joins in(when its has something to gain), but your mighty Muslim ummah leaders only look after their throne and leadership. Thats the problem. But I guess you will never understand since its the case of another South Asian Muslim being more Arab than an Arab.

Anyways to each his own, further discussions will be futile.

P.S: I would like to see Saleh, Assad and the likes to go too, but expecting America to do it and blaming them for the mess, don't agree with that.

And the point of other people is that the Sheikhs of the region are also despots and these despots are propped up by america. The democratic struggle in Bahrein is being portryed as a shia sunni conflict because it serves the purpose of the despots in that country.

 

[secularbuster]

Interesting indeed. Do you not know how much America has funded Egypt?.

Roy_gourav does not want to know that, all he knows is that Asad and Gaddafi are the only despots in the region. It serves his purpose.

 

[Roybot]

And the point of other people is that the Sheikhs of the region are also despots and these despots are propped up by america. The democratic struggle in Bahrein is being portryed as a shia sunni conflict because it serves the purpose of the despots in that country.

I know there are American backed despots in middle-east. But my point is that you can't blame America for that. You should blame the Kings and leaders who invited America and asked them to be their body guard.

The democratic struggle in Bahrain is essentially a Shia-Sunni conflict, its not just being portrayed as one. 80% of the population is Shia and is being ruled by the 20% Sunnis. Similar Shia-Sunni fight in Yemen too. Why aren't Muslim countries speaking against Saudi Arabia and UAE for sending their troops into Bahrain to quell the protests. Instead they are blaming America. Not just that we have countries like Pakistan who is letting its people get recruited by Bahrain Government as mercenaries who can go and kill more civilians in Bahrain. And after doing all that people will go blame the America. Where is the protest against Pakistani government for allowing Bahrain Government to come in and hire mercenaries? I guess people don't care cause its the Shia who is being oppressed after all, so just put the blame on America.

Roy_gourav does not want to know that, all he knows is that Asad and Gaddafi are the only despots in the region. It serves his purpose.

You know what T-REX you don't have to talk to me in 3rd person.

I ll tell you what I think is the difference between a despot like Mubarak and despots like the Kings of the Arabian countries.

Mubarak was propped up by Americans, but Mubarak didn't ask America to come and support him. Once the civil unrest in Egypt got out of hand, America asked Mubarak to step down, and step down he did. On the other hand we have despots in Saudi and Bahrain, they asked America for their support. So here America can't call the shots. Same with Assad, who has got the backing of Saudi Arabia.

Call it bias, call it hypocrisy but you people will never blame the Saudis or UAE for the mess.

 

[secularbuster]

I know there are American backed despots in middle-east. But my point is that you can't blame America for that. You should blame the Kings and leaders who invited America and asked them to be their body guard.

The democratic struggle in Bahrain is essentially a Shia-Sunni conflict, its not just being portrayed as one. 80% of the population is Shia and is being ruled by the 20% Sunnis. Similar Shia-Sunni fight in Yemen too. Why aren't Muslim countries speaking against Saudi Arabia and UAE for sending their troops into Bahrain to quell the protests. Instead they are blaming America. Not just that we have countries like Pakistan who is letting its people get recruited by Bahrain Government as mercenaries who can go and kill more civilians in Bahrain. And after doing all that people will go blame the America. Where is the protest against Pakistani government for allowing Bahrain Government to come in and hire mercenaries? I guess people don't care cause its the Shia who is being oppressed after all, so just put the blame on America.



You know what T-REX you don't have to talk to me in 3rd person.

I ll tell you what I think is the difference between a despot like Mubarak and despots like the Kings of the Arabian countries.

Mubarak was propped up by Americans, but Mubarak didn't ask America to come and support him. Once the civil unrest in Egypt got out of hand, America asked Mubarak to step down, and step down he did. On the other hand we have despots in Saudi and Bahrain, they asked America for their support. So here America can't call the shots.

Call it bias, call it hypocrisy but you people will never blame the Saudis or UAE for the mess.

Listen mr. stop your obsession with T-Rex, you see the threat of T-Rex even in your dream. Read my username, it's secularbuster. Usually the masters of the despots make their despots invite the master and then the master goes on saying, ' You see, it's not my fault, they have invited me!" it's the cheapest drama of our age.

 

[Roybot]

Listen mr. stop your obsession with T-Rex, you see the threat of T-Rex even in your dream. Read my username, it's secularbuster.

I ll let the mods decide that.

Usually the masters of the despots make their despots invite the master and then the master goes on saying, ' You see, it's not my fault, they have invited me!" it's the cheapest drama of our age.

Still shying away from the fact that, none of the so called muslim countries has dared raise a voice against the Arab demigods.

 

[secularbuster]

I ll let the mods decide that.



Still shying away from the fact that, none of the so called muslim countries has dared raise a voice against the Arab demigods.

Yeah, I can see that you really need the help of the mods to counter my arguments. Your logic is so feeble that you look for ways get protection from the mods.

 

[Roybot]

Yeah, I can see that you really need the help of the mods to counter my arguments. Your logic is so feeble that you look for ways get protection from the mods.

Uh ok

 

[secularbuster]

Uh ok

Hellooooooo!

 

[saleen_s7]

I know there are American backed despots in middle-east. But my point is that you can't blame America for that. You should blame the Kings and leaders who invited America and asked them to be their body guard.

The democratic struggle in Bahrain is essentially a Shia-Sunni conflict, its not just being portrayed as one. 80% of the population is Shia and is being ruled by the 20% Sunnis. Similar Shia-Sunni fight in Yemen too. Why aren't Muslim countries speaking against Saudi Arabia and UAE for sending their troops into Bahrain to quell the protests. Instead they are blaming America. Not just that we have countries like Pakistan who is letting its people get recruited by Bahrain Government as mercenaries who can go and kill more civilians in Bahrain. And after doing all that people will go blame the America. Where is the protest against Pakistani government for allowing Bahrain Government to come in and hire mercenaries? I guess people don't care cause its the Shia who is being oppressed after all, so just put the blame on America.



You know what T-REX you don't have to talk to me in 3rd person.

I ll tell you what I think is the difference between a despot like Mubarak and despots like the Kings of the Arabian countries.

Mubarak was propped up by Americans, but Mubarak didn't ask America to come and support him. Once the civil unrest in Egypt got out of hand, America asked Mubarak to step down, and step down he did. On the other hand we have despots in Saudi and Bahrain, they asked America for their support. So here America can't call the shots. Same with Assad, who has got the backing of Saudi Arabia.

Call it bias, call it hypocrisy but you people will never blame the Saudis or UAE for the mess.

Whose being biased? Most people at least the majority do not support kings and queens and the leaders of Saudi. And when you have world powers like America supporting them, it gets hard for the majority of the people to protest. If America has not supported Iraq during the Iran-iraq war, would so many lives have been lost? If America has not trained the Mujahideen to fight Russia, would Bin Laden have even attacked America in the first place? Do you know the story behind the Iranian revolution? The list continues.
And there's one thing you should understand about muslims, in general, any attack in any muslim nations are considered an attack are felt by muslims all over. I, personally, wanted Saddam Hussein to go, but not at the cost of hundreds of thousands of people. thats like buying a cow for a glass of milk. Off course America has bought many important things on the table for all, like freedom of speech online and created opportunities for us to study abroad with a higher quality of education, We all acknowledge that.
I agree with you on the fact that we tend to blame more than we accept and justify any atrocities, but don't forget, few days ago when BSF killed innocent civilians, many of your indian colleagues not only endorsed the killing, but also encouraged to make it stricter and not to spare any lives. And we all know how some extremists hindus bragged about killing your own civilians and I bet a few of your indian friends here are pretty glad that happened.