No defence visits to China without resolution of visa issues

[CardSharp]

China is using Pakistan to be a thorn in India's back....

The Chinese are the masters of what I like to call "covert diplomacy"....
By not engaging India directly on issues like AP....China still manages to use the Kashmir issue to highlight its polarity with India, but using the guise of Human rights (a hot favorite of the western world) it shows India in a bad light, supports its ally Pak and at the same time manages to vocalize the Kashmir issue....amazing!

But you're right, we need a Chanakya to deal with the Chinese.....

Nevertheless I admire them....we can learn a lot from them...

On one hand you complain about our foreign policy being devious yet effective, on the other hand you think that Indian foreign policy could benefit learning from China. You can't have it both ways. Either you condemn it or you admit that it's a game that every great power plays.

Moralizing about policy has no place in international politics. Every nation works out of its own interest, the rest is window dressing.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Nevertheless I admire them....we can learn a lot from them...

We can all learn from each other.

 

[kingdurgaking]

that was after the military exchanges had been suspended in wake of arms sales to TW. Details my friend details

clone man was arguing with me in one of the thread as if they are pure souls and they dont watch any one... When i told him that china do the same with Taiwan he just argued argued asking for link in a wrong thread....

 

[prototype]

On one hand you complain about our foreign policy being devious yet effective, on the other hand you think that Indian foreign policy could benefit learning from China. You can't have it both ways. Either you condemn it or you admit that it's a game that every great power plays.

Moralizing about policy has no place in international politics. Every nation works out of its own interest, the rest is window dressing.

u did not get the point,the policy is definitely devious and effective and in turn we can also learn to give back the same,this is no two sides of coin,this is all in 1 plate,but how will China respond if India openly came down to covert diplomacy

I dont think that China enjoy the same when inflicted on it,for example the noble episode

 

[Abhishek_]

proto, every country formulates and executes their foreign policy as per their perceived needs. I see nothing wrong in what china did, and India's response is justified as well. This is an un-ending chess game, sometimes they have an upper hand sometimes us.
Lets wait to see how china responds.

 

[justanobserver]

I think we need a new JF-17 vs LCA type thread, i.e Sun Tzu vs Chanakya (Art of War vs Arthashastra)

 

[prototype]

proto, every country formulates and executes their foreign policy as per their perceived needs. I see nothing wrong in what china did, and India's response is justified as well. This is an un-ending chess game, sometimes they have an upper hand sometimes us.
Lets wait to see how china responds.

I understand this game,but frustrated about India's reluctance to open up the game,when will they understand that u cannot use pawns to checkmate the king,we have a lot of cards and can equally pressure China on this matter

 

[CardSharp]

I understand this game,but frustrated about India's reluctance to open up the game,when will they understand that u cannot use pawns to checkmate the king,we have a lot of cards and can equally pressure China on this matter

Because that's China's fault, that the Indian government doesn't play the game well.

 

[WHF]

What the hell? Is China a sovereign country or still colonized by British Indians? Should China follow indian orders?

How can another country say China cannot do this or that?

Some Hong Kong guys may enlighten us.

Anyway... t-h-a-n-x.

If mighty mighty china can tell india and the west where Dalai Lama should and should not visit, then poor poor india has a right to say what it wants..

 

[Abhishek_]

Because that's China's fault, that the Indian government doesn't play the game well.

lol CS...I for one think GOI is playing well and within its means, obviously since China is the stronger power it is easier to make moves vis-a-vis India.
Just like (on the diplomacy front) it is relatively easier for India to work with BD and to a certain extent Pakistan.
In china's case, it is tougher to deal with U.S. for similar reasons.

All in all as a Citizen, I'm satisfied with GOI's move. They need to avoid confrontation till the time they are truly ready to counter. India's economy and military are still far behind china, keep quiet and keep working hard.

 

[Abhishek_]

If mighty mighty china can tell india and the west where Dalai Lama should and should not visit, then poor poor india has a right to say what it wants..

dude don't get suckered into challenger's game. its best not to reply to trolls. Neither Indians nor Chinese members like him.

 

[Peshwa]

On one hand you complain about our foreign policy being devious yet effective, on the other hand you think that Indian foreign policy could benefit learning from China. You can't have it both ways. Either you condemn it or you admit that it's a game that every great power plays.

Moralizing about policy has no place in international politics. Every nation works out of its own interest, the rest is window dressing.

Where exactly did you get complaining from?

Im simply stating the obvious.....and praising China for its use of passive aggressive measures to send a message without being directly confrontational....something the entire world wants it to do....

Trust me when I say this, that the US and the west are waiting for that opportunity when China slips up and plays the aggressor so it can be tagged one.....

India on the other hand has been quite direct in its dealings and confrontation with China (something I feel is quite exhaggerated by our out of control media)....but India has failed to use China's weaknesses against it.....something China has done quite successfully

So why cant we learn from our enemies?

 

[challenger]

China has no locus standi on the issue....

If that is the case, then how is it that Pakistani defence attaches visit China on a regular basis?

Has a visa been denied to a Pakistani military personell for having served in a disputed area? (Indian Kashmir along with Gilgit Baltistan and P-O-K are disputed areas)
If the answer is no.....then its pure hypocrisy!

So why is China singling out India?

Sorry for this late reply as I was busy arguing on another thread.

Which legal standing are you talking about, dude? If China's official standing that some area is disputed can't have any legitimacy to India then Indian Mc Mahan line can also be regarded by China as illegitimate. Moreover, apart from China, many others also consider that as a disputed region.

Pakistan is China's immediate neighbor, friend and an ally. So visit of defense attaches are natural thing. If India solves its territorial issues with China and Pakistan, then Indian defense attaches visiting China and Pakistan on a regular basis will also be seen.

Regarding the last question. Can you give me a source where it is said any Brigadier or of similar rank of any disputed area of Pakistan has visited China?

 

[Peshwa]

Because that's China's fault, that the Indian government doesn't play the game well.

Well I think its a dangerous game if you ask me......

If India plays the same card and uses Tibet or Taiwan as a "Pain point" to irk China....Im not sure how peaceful our neighborhood will become....

India has been very restrained in its dealings with China....
Keeping DL on a leash, restricting political activity wrt Tibet etc....


Do remember, India and China's growth has gone unabated due to the relative peace in our respective countries....You certainly dont need a Kashmir like situation in any parts of China....

Im opposed to tit for tat moves, but it seems thats what you're advocating?

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Do remember, India and China's growth has gone unabated due to the relative peace in our respective countries....You certainly dont need a Kashmir like situation in any parts of China....

Im opposed to tit for tat moves, but it seems thats what you're advocating?

I think both governments are well aware of the "red lines" that can not be crossed. So open warfare is extremely unlikely, especially if you consider the nuclear weapons factor.

Also bear in mind that governments have to appease domestic nationalist sentiment from time to time, e.g. Fenqing in China, and Shiv Sena in India.