No Deal? France Says it Might Never Deliver Mistral Ships to Russia

[ptldM3]

you have a misconception about asians i guess. Russians arent european in the slightest. Your cuoture is not european. No freedom, no free speech, no democracy. No hellenic worldview and no humanism. You just look like the usual oriental despostism. And what do you mean with "white" ? How retarded must someone be to believe that romans were "white" in any form. When i see a russian i usually can see where he is from from the puffy face and the way they look.

Your definition of European "cuoture" is arbitrary. Last time you said Russia was not European because it was not apart of the "holly Roman Empire" if that is the criteria for being European that means half of Europe is not European and now you have changed your criteria again.


As for "puffy face(s)" Russians come in all shapes and sizes, and not all people that live in Russia are even Russian/Slavic.

But i can see your jealousy and frustration i would also be upset if i had your misguided and unhealthy obsession with being european, you remind me of Hitler boasting about blond hair and blue eyes while himself having brown eyes and brown hair. You boast about being European yet you look like you're from the middle east Please also spare everyone the laughter about real Europeans being dark haired just because you are dark haired.

 

[Donatello]

russia can sink nothing. That would be an attack against NATO. And russia can go to court over this. The court is in Brussels. Wonder how fair it will be ha ha

And a super power should be able to feed its people. Russia can´t. Its bancrupt.




Why should europe sell weapons to an enemy and watch as this enemy uses this weapons later against us?

Because Russia paid for it, and you accepted the contract. You knew beforehand that Russia was unreliable, so you should have refused then. But no, you wanted your ship yards to earn the $$$. And then shyt happens in Ukraine.

France should honor it's contract, simple.

 

[Iggy]

What Russia does with France, isn't our concern too.

'And please quote the international law which prevent Mistrals to be sold to India? '

We can initiate a trilateral agreement with Russia and France regarding this ship. We can buy that ship and the amount will be paid to Russia instead of France..

@ptldM3 you came back after a long time to argue with a guy who have no clue about what he is talking?

 

[MarkusS]

Your definition of European "cuoture" is arbitrary. Last time you said Russia was not European because it was not apart of the "holly Roman Empire" if that is the criteria for being European that means half of Europe is not European and now you have changed your criteria again.


As for "puffy face(s)" Russians come in all shapes and sizes, and not all people that live in Russia are even Russian/Slavic.

But i can see your jealousy and frustration i would also be upset if i had your misguided and unhealthy obsession with being european, you remind me of Hitler boasting about blond hair and blue eyes while himself having brown eyes and brown hair. You boast about being European yet you look like you're from the middle east Please also spare everyone the laughter about real Europeans being dark haired just because you are dark haired.

russia is not part of the european culture nor plaid it ever a role in its creation. How much can you identify with this:

As for "blonde". Blonde is a recent mutation that exists only since 4000 years and was started in norther europe and is most likely going o become extinct in the future. Romas were not blonde. And of course i look north african. The roman ampire was also north africa. It was one great melting pot. Roman soldiers went into army, were shipped to north africam asia minor or iberia. Served their time. Then got land there, married a women, got children. Their son enters army and serves in britannia and so on and so on.

When you look at our law and political system, then you see it is based on the roman system. A democracy, a senate with voted members.

Russia did not play a role in this time and it did not play a role in medival time also, when we waged the crusades and were shaped by the holy roman empire of german nation as well as the later spanish empire. The Renaissance also was something russia never heared about.

Russia tried to step into europe with czar peter who did alot to make his nation european. Even more so a german empress pushed russia into europe. Czarina Katarina the Great. She indeed did much to make russia a western nation and was incredible. But russia now? It appears like any other typical oriental despotism.

Show me something that exists in russia. In the minds of russian people that connects them with europe.

Putin tried alot to connect Russia with Europe but failed. He has become the new Gaddafi and Russia is as isolated from Europe as it ever was. Your people should go in peace and simply give up. You are more suited to connect us with asia. You are in a way a bridge between Europe and Asia.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Russia is Europe , mostly other nations don't fit in

 

[Sam Manekshaw]

No Deal? France Says it Might Never Deliver Mistral Ships to Russia / Sputnik International

 

[MarkusS]

Because Russia paid for it, and you accepted the contract. You knew beforehand that Russia was unreliable, so you should have refused then. But no, you wanted your ship yards to earn the $$$. And then shyt happens in Ukraine.

France should honor it's contract, simple.

security > contract

 

[ptldM3]

russia is not part of the european culture nor plaid it ever a role in its creation. How much can you identify with this:

Your argument is again arbitrary, there is no such thing as "european culture", The greeks, Spaniards, English, French, Germans, Russian, ect all have different histories and cultures.

As for "blonde". Blonde is a recent mutation that exists only since 4000 years and was started in norther europe and is most likely going o become extinct in the future.

You just shot yourself in the foot with that argument. On one hand you claim Russians are not europeans, on the other hand you claims that blond hair is a european trait that dates back to europe as far a 4000 years. Many Russians have blond hair, according to your claim that means they are europeans that have lived in europe for at least 4000 years.

Romas were not blonde. And of course i look north african. The roman ampire was also north africa. It was one great melting pot. Roman soldiers went into army, were shipped to north africam asia minor or iberia. Served their time. Then got land there, married a women, got children. Their son enters army and serves in britannia and so on and so on.

Thank you for admitting that you are not really european but are mixed, not that i already did not know from your photos.

Russia did not play a role in this time and it did not play a role in medival time also, when we waged the crusades and were shaped by the holy roman empire of german nation as well as the later spanish empire. The Renaissance also was something russia never heared about.

Being european now means that your ancestors were a part of the crusades and the "holy roman empire"? By that logic....Norway, Sweden, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Denmark, The Netherlands, Ireland, Moldova, Slovakia, Czech Republic, ect are not European.

Moreover, your criteria would make Iraq, Libya, Egypt, Turkey, Algeria, ect european. Sorry but anyone that has been reading your post are probably getting a good laugh.

I can also make some bogus criteria for what makes a european and claim that if you were not shaped by Orthodox Christianity, use cyrillic alphabet and were not involved in fighting Turkic tribes then you are not european. But this would be totally subjective.

Show me something that exists in russia. In the minds of russian people that connects them with europe.

You can read minds now? But if we are serious for a moment what are europeans famous for? Literature, arts, mathematics, poetry, science, music, philosophy, engineering, and exploration. Russia is famous for all of these things, in fact some of the most famous and important inventors/scientists are Russian, some of the most famous composers, poets, ect are also Russian.


So if we break it down and look at it, the slavs were one of the earliest europeans, Russian is an indo european language that has roots in Latin and Greek, and when you look at it culturally Russia has been one of the biggest contributors if the biggest contributor in the things i have mentioned above.


So in terms of genealogy, language, history and culture Russia is more european than the majority of europe. Deal with it.

 

[MarkusS]

Your argument is again arbitrary, there is no such thing as "european culture", The greeks, Spaniards, English, French, Germans, Russian, ect all have different histories and cultures.









You just shot yourself in the foot with that argument. On one hand you claim Russians are not europeans, on the other hand you claims that blond hair is a european trait that dates back to europe as far a 4000 years. Many Russians have blond hair, according to your claim that means they are europeans that have lived in europe for at least 4000 years.







Thank you for admitting that you are not really european but are mixed, not that i already did not know from your photos.









Being european now means that your ancestors were a part of the crusades and the "holy roman empire"? By that logic....Norway, Sweden, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Denmark, The Netherlands, Ireland, Moldova, Slovakia, Czech Republic, ect are not European.

Moreover, your criteria would make Iraq, Libya, Egypt, Turkey, Algeria, ect european. Sorry but anyone that has been reading your post are probably getting a good laugh.

I can also make some bogus criteria for what makes a european and claim that if you were not shaped by Orthodox Christianity, use cyrillic alphabet and were not involved in fighting Turkic tribes then you are not european. But this would be totally subjective.








You can read minds now? But if we are serious for a moment what are europeans famous for? Literature, arts, mathematics, poetry, science, music, philosophy, engineering, and exploration. Russia is famous for all of these things, in fact some of the most famous and important inventors/scientists are Russian, some of the most famous composers, poets, ect are also Russian.


So if we break it down and look at it, the slavs were one of the earliest europeans, Russian is an indo european language that has roots in Latin and Greek, and when you look at it culturally Russia has been one of the biggest contributors if the biggest contributor in the things i have mentioned above.


So in terms of genealogy, language, history and culture Russia is more european than the majority of europe. Deal with it.

I think you have some problems with english. That leads you to wrong assumptions. Norway, Sweden, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Denmark, The Netherlands, Ireland, Moldova, Slovakia, Czech Republic were always part of europe. Most deeply catholic and part of the european culture.

Russia has a very negative image in europe and you know this. eastern europeans do evrything to divide themself from russia. Poland for example.

As for genetics. I´m italian. We are mediterraneans. Thats why spanish, greeks, italians, croatins, turkish and many northern africanas look alike. We interchange since many thousand years. And honestly...if you can´t identify with italy or any other core european nation, then you aren´t european by definition. You are not even real christians. So i don´t see any connections with us.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

i think he is trying to make the argument like the strong difference ibetween Arab and Persian culture. They share the same borders but neither would claim they are part of each other's culture.

So when he says European culture it's like the Arabs saying Iran has nothing to do with Arab culture.

You guys are focusing more on the DNA stuff which is not what he means.

 

[ptldM3]

I think you have some problems with english. That leads you to wrong assumptions. Norway, Sweden, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Denmark, The Netherlands, Ireland, Moldova, Slovakia, Czech Republic were always part of europe. Most deeply catholic and part of the european culture.

I am not making assumptions or have problems with English, the problem is that you have just dug yourself a deep hole. None of those countries were under Roman Rule, according to you they are not European. Moreover, not all of those countries are Catholic, if you want figures only 24% of Europe is Catholic but it matters not since Catholicism is another one of your arbitrary arguments.

Russia has a very negative image in europe and you know this. eastern europeans do evrything to divide themself from russia. Poland for example.

This again is totally arbitrary, you can not have a honest debate that involves history and an actual intellectual debate so you resort to opinions.Your example has nothing to do with Russian genealogy, linguistic origin, history or culture. I try to divide myself from those countries too but that does not make those countries less european or less or more anything for that matter.

As for genetics. I´m italian. We are mediterraneans. Thats why spanish, greeks, italians, croatins, turkish and many northern africanas look alike. We interchange since many thousand years. And honestly...if you can´t identify with italy or any other core european nation, then you aren´t european by definition.

That means most of Norther and easter Europe is not european (according to you), again you and your opinions are silly.

You are not even real christians. So i don´t see any connections with us.

Now you opened a can of worms. For one, i am not Orthodox Christian, but you do realize that most of Catholicism is rooted in pagan tradition which is completely against the scriptures. Moreover, Catholicism is largely full of man made traditions that actually not only go against scripture but are clearly sins according to original scriptures.

The Rosemary is not found anywhere in scripture, purgatory in not in the scriptures, praying to Marry is not in the scriptures, in fact the scripture are clear that there is only one mediator (Jesus). The scriptures strictly forbid idolatry, in fact it is in the commandments. 99% of Catholics do not even know this, 99% of Catholics only know what they are told by people as ignorant as them.


Read this:

You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God,punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me,


So why is it that the so called true Christians, the Catholics, bow down and prey to pictures, and images and even pray to, bow down and kiss the pope? This is clearly a major sin. But i thought that you would know this. If you want to practice Christianity read the King James Bible which is the closest translation of scripture.

 

[MarkusS]

I am not making assumptions or have problems with English, the problem is that you have just dug yourself a deep hole. None of those countries were under Roman Rule, according to you they are not European. Moreover, not all of those countries are Catholic, if you want figures only 24% of Europe is Catholic but it matters not since Catholicism is another one of your arbitrary arguments.








This again is totally arbitrary, you can not have a honest debate that involves history and an actual intellectual debate so you resort to opinions.Your example has nothing to do with Russian genealogy, linguistic origin, history or culture. I try to divide myself from those countries too but that does not make those countries less european or less or more anything for that matter.








That means most of Norther and easter Europe is not european (according to you), again you and your opinions are silly.





Now you opened a can of worms. For one, i am not Orthodox Christian, but you do realize that most of Catholicism is rooted in pagan tradition which is completely against the scriptures. Moreover, Catholicism is largely full of man made traditions that actually not only go against scripture but are clearly sins according to original scriptures.

The Rosemary is not found anywhere in scripture, purgatory in not in the scriptures, praying to Marry is not in the scriptures, in fact the scripture are clear that there is only one mediator (Jesus). The scriptures strictly forbid idolatry, in fact it is in the commandments. 99% of Catholics do not even know this, 99% of Catholics only know what they are told by people as ignorant as them.


Read this:

You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God,punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me,


So why is it that the so called true Christians, the Catholics, bow down and prey to pictures, and images and even pray to, bow down and kiss the pope? This is clearly a major sin. But i thought that you would know this. If you want to practice real Christianity read the King James Bible which is the closest translation of scripture there is and stop reading the Catholic bible and practicing Catholic traditions which are not even anywhere in scripture.

what you say now is pure racism and you know very well that italy is deeply catholic. You should not judge the religion and faith of others.

You say my faith is bad? Then you are simply racist. I did not judge your orthodox religion. I simply said we have different religions and thats it. I put no judgement into it at all.

Sorry but what you posted last we very bad and deeply insulting.

 

[Timur]

there is no real definition for european.. its a word a groub can interprete everything what it wants to.. it is no continent and has no borders.. so it is a fictional club if this club decides russia is not european than it is so.. we just need clear answers from some politicans.. and if you say europe is where the EU is than it is crystal clear that russia is not europe..

so we can discuss a or b is europe or not but we will not come to an end

 

[ptldM3]

what you say now is pure racism and you know very well that italy is deeply catholic. You should not judge the religion and faith of others.

Religion is not a race....it was also you who judged religion first by claiming Russian/Orthodox are not even real Christians. So It is you who would be racist considering you also have a history of insulting other races.

You say my faith is bad? Then you are simply racist. I did not judge your orthodox religion. I simply said we have different religions and thats it. I put no judgement into it at all.

Really Let me quote you, "You are not even real christians". Clearly you insulted Orthodox Christians, but considering i am not Orthodox and i know more about Catholicism i am the one having the last laugh. I also never said that Catholicism was bad since i could car less, i just stated the factual scripture that did not agree with Catholicism.

Sorry but what you posted last we very bad and deeply insulting.

I do not care, the truth usually hurts. As for insults, you should be the last person complaining about insults since literally every one of your posts is insulting or degrading, you have insulted Indians, Pakistanis, Asians, Russians, and religion. You have been banned for it many times.

 

[BestUsernameEver]

Russia isn't Europe for two simple reasons:

- Most of Russia is not in Europe but in Asia (around 5/6ths of the landmass).

- The overwhelming majority of Russians THEMSELVES do not consider themselves European ("Most Russians (71%) do not regard themselves as Europeans" www.eu-russiacentre.org/assets/files/levada_lead_release.pdf)

Very simple.