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What kind of analysis is this ?
There are several factors playing in the choice of a fighter jet.... Each air force has specific needs and different requirements,some need heavy fighters,others light or medium ones,some need air superiority fighters,others multirole ones etc. There are also several factors playing such as economy and of course politics.
Economically the Rafale didn't benefit from economy of scale as during several years only the French air force acquired it and in quite "small quantities". (180 ordered yet) Many countries rejected it because they considered it to be quite an expensive fighter,to buy and to maintain taking into account their disposable budget. The Rafale outperformed the Gripen and Eurofighter in Switzerland,yet the Swiss went with the Gripen.
Politics can also play a big part in the choice of a fighter and not purely based on the fighter,its price and performances. Morocco chose the Rafale before going with F16s due to US pressures for exemple. One among many others.
There's also another reason which isn't mentioned is we were very bad at marketing,French politicians also torpedoed every breakthrough in negociations Dassault made,something that was fatal in many countries.
While people boast about the Chinese jets on this forum,how many,outside China bought the J10 for exemple ? Does that mean it's a bad jet ?
Despite what people say,the Rafale is the best choice India could have made. Not only for its performances but also politically,France will always back India no matter what..... Very small chances of French sanctions on India,or halting supplies to support the Rafale fleet,no matter what...
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Let's explain the third million time to people who think "muh India bought a $300 million jet".
According to the French government,the flyaway cost of a Rafale as of economic conditions of 2014 was as follow ;
€78M for a Rafale M (Naval version)
€73M for a Rafale B (Two seater)
€68M for a Rafale C (Single seat)
The €8 billion package India paid includes offsets (half of that cost,invested back in India),training,new infrastructures to induct a new type of aircrafts into the Indian air force,maintenance packages..... undisclosed number of air to ground bombs and air to air missiles,key Indian demands regarding the integration of specific weapons and systems etc.
The way the Indians are worshipping the Rafael makes the plane more fit to belong in a shrine or a museum than an airbase.Indians Love Rafales
It will reach that status very soon.The way the Indians are worshipping the Rafael makes the plane more fit to belong in a shrine or a museum than an airbase.
China never offered the J-10 for export. It's a key difference.
Incredible jets but 2-3 the price of western options and 10x the price of chinese jets (simply because they mass produce them)No other nation will let you configure the jet to carry nuclear weapons. And the initial buyer of Eurofighter is shelving their jets because of high maintenance, that speaks a lot about about it's availability during times of crisis.
The J-16 is not a copy of the Su-35 ... it was already there way before the Su-35 contract was ever signed, not to mention delivery.Even in engine thrust, the Chinese J-16s aka Russian Su-35s are far superior to the French combat aircraft
Despite what people say,the Rafale is the best choice India could have made. Not only for its performances but also politically,France will always back India no matter what..... Very small chances of French sanctions on India,or halting supplies to support the Rafale fleet,no matter what...
A good analysis. Only that Turkey is also there for Pak....The selection of Rafale was more strategic and political than the military. What India has achieved from the deal? Technically block all the defense deals btw Pakistan & France including avionics for integration, absolutely safe and secure from sanctions, in future France will always sides with India against Pakistan, soon get more leverage and incentives in the different sectors of business (in both import/export), safe from the U.S blackmailing tho they’re already getting a massive amount of 2nd line defense equipment from the U.S, India now has access to best French defense equipment including nuclear tech.... said this before, Indian defense establishment is not an idiot... that's fine you can humiliate your enemy but at this Rafale deal, India has achieved many objectives. For India’s perspective despite Ladakh Chinese issue, India sees Pakistan as its core enemy so technically Pakistan now limit to China for its defense needs. India applied the same Russian formula here if you see from Pakistan’s POV. Getting 4 mi Hind helis won’t do much, Russian core priority is Indian when it comes to $$$/defense equation. So, the same for French now.
The way the Indians are worshipping the Rafael makes the plane more fit to belong in a shrine or a museum than an airbase.
you stole my words... french kickback must have been huge...Indian (Modi) govt. Got kick-backs from the deal of these fighters and now they are showing to their public they have won the war against China and Pakistan like they do in bollywood. Real world is not bollywood.....
I'm. Astonished on Indian establishments RSS orinted thinking that pakistan is the major threat?The selection of Rafale was more strategic and political than the military. What India has achieved from the deal? Technically block all the defense deals btw Pakistan & France including avionics for integration, absolutely safe and secure from sanctions, in future France will always sides with India against Pakistan, soon get more leverage and incentives in the different sectors of business (in both import/export), safe from the U.S blackmailing tho they’re already getting a massive amount of 2nd line defense equipment from the U.S, India now has access to best French defense equipment including nuclear tech.... said this before, Indian defense establishment is not an idiot... that's fine you can humiliate your enemy but at this Rafale deal, India has achieved many objectives. For India’s perspective despite Ladakh Chinese issue, India sees Pakistan as its core enemy so technically Pakistan now limit to China for its defense needs. India applied the same Russian formula here if you see from Pakistan’s POV. Getting 4 mi Hind helis won’t do much, Russian core priority is Indian when it comes to $$$/defense equation. So, the same for French now.
The selection of Rafale was more strategic and political than the military. What India has achieved from the deal? Technically block all the defense deals btw Pakistan & France including avionics for integration, absolutely safe and secure from sanctions, in future France will always sides with India against Pakistan, soon get more leverage and incentives in the different sectors of business (in both import/export), safe from the U.S blackmailing tho they’re already getting a massive amount of 2nd line defense equipment from the U.S, India now has access to best French defense equipment including nuclear tech.... said this before, Indian defense establishment is not an idiot... that's fine you can humiliate your enemy but at this Rafale deal, India has achieved many objectives. For India’s perspective despite Ladakh Chinese issue, India sees Pakistan as its core enemy so technically Pakistan now limit to China for its defense needs. India applied the same Russian formula here if you see from Pakistan’s POV. Getting 4 mi Hind helis won’t do much, Russian core priority is Indian when it comes to $$$/defense equation. So, the same for French now.