Nizami’s death penalty not fair governance: Erdoğan

[PaklovesTurkiye]

When India General Manik admitted in his book that his soldier killed people under the disguise of Albadar then what left behind.....all these close door trials are basically polluted .....

Can you give any link/source of him admitting that....I am unable to find his book. What is the name of book?

 

[hunter_hunted]

I saw what u did there

Everyone saw what he did there. wish i could give him +1

 

[SrNair]

Neither is syrian refugees in Europe india's problem. But you guys love to poke your nasty noses.

Turkeye has full right to comment being an ally of Pakistan.

Funny where did we comment about Europes refugee problem ?
Delusions ????

For Pakistan ,Of Course but only for them .
Neither Pakistan nor India,Turkey have rights to interfere in internal matters of BD.

 

[Abba_Dabba_Jabba]

Since when are Pakistan and Turkey allies? Like Afghanistan and India are allies I suppose.

Bhai just abhi abhi they have become allies, after Erdogan gave this historical statement about the execution of Nizami..

On topic : I think all the nations in the world should respect the judicial system of any country. Huge respect to Bangladeshi judicial system for executing such criminal, doesn't matter whether they belong to opposition party or any religious community, if they are reason for death of 100s of people they should be hanged. INSHAA ALLAH, BD is progressing in right direction.

 

[volatile]

How is it unlawful? He was tried in a court of LAW...that's as lawful as you can get. And regarding poking one's nose...in an ideal world it is Bangladesh's internal matter and shouldn't concern anyone...but given the historical context only two other country's can comment on it....India and Pakistan....Turkey and its leader's opinions have no place here.

https://www.icrc.org/casebook/doc/case-study/bangladesh-india-pakistan-1974-agreement-case-study.htm

Know your history, If you just wanted to please Indians you should look into this first .
My friend history you can not change just for your reference ,Pak accepted Bangladesh based on an agreement signed by all parties (Pak,Ban,India) ,I am putting some points out of this agreement

The question of 195 Pakistani prisoners of war was discussed by the three Ministers, in the context of the earnest desire of the Governments for reconciliation, peace and friendship in the sub-continent. The Foreign Minister of Bangladesh stated that the excesses and manifold crimes committed by these prisoners of war constituted, according to the relevant provisions of the U.N. General Assembly Resolutions and International Law, war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide, and that there was universal consensus that persons charged with such crimes as the 195 Pakistani prisoners of war should be held to account and subjected to the due process of law. The Minister of State for Defence and Foreign Affairs of the Government of Pakistan said that his Government condemned and deeply regretted any crimes that may have been committed.

1. In this connection the three Ministers noted that the matter should be viewed in the context of the determination of the three countries to continue resolutely to work for reconciliation. The Ministers further noted that following recognition, the Prime Minister of Pakistan had declared that he would visit Bangladesh in response to the invitation of the Prime Minister of Bangladesh and appealed to the people of Bangladesh to forgive and forget the mistakes of the past, in order to promote reconciliation. Similarly, the Prime Minister of Bangladesh had declared with regard to the atrocities and destruction committed in Bangladesh in 1971 that he wanted the people to forget the past and to make a fresh start, stating that the people of Bangladesh knew how to forgive.
2. In the light of the foregoing and, in particular, having regard to the appeal of the Prime Minister of Pakistan to the people of Bangladesh to forgive and forget the mistakes of the past, the Foreign Minister of Bangladesh stated that the Government of Bangladesh had decided not to proceed with the trials as an act of clemency. It was agreed that the 195 prisoners of war may be repatriated to Pakistan along with the other prisoners of war now in the process of repatriation under the Delhi Agreement. [...]

No problem, look for responses from BD members, but unfortunately you cannot (and should not) control the discussion or the participants here.

I have answered check first

 

[dray]

I have answered check first

Already answered by Anubis

https://www.icrc.org/casebook/doc/case-study/bangladesh-india-pakistan-1974-agreement-case-study.htm

Nizami and others who have been tried do not get protection under the agreement....the agreement talks about 195 POWs....Nizami was neither a POW nor is he a Pakistani citizen....Therefore Pakistan has absolutely nothing it can do about it...and Pakistan has no grounds to object either.

 

[cloud4000]

Bhai just abhi abhi they have become allies, after Erdogan gave this historical statement about the execution of Nizami..

On topic : I think all the nations in the world should respect the judicial system of any country. Huge respect to Bangladeshi judicial system for executing such criminal, doesn't matter whether they belong to opposition party or any religious community, if they are reason death of 100s of people they should be hanged. INSHAA ALLAH, BD is progressing in right direction.

My main issue is that Pakistan and Turkey had no business making official statements about the judicial process given a) Bangladesh is a sovereign country and b) it was not one of their citizens who was put on trial. Nizami is a Bangladeshi citizen the last time I checked. Erdogan statements were, at best, just cheeky given that he’s arresting opponents and journalists for merely criticizing him.

As for Nizami’s trial and verdict. Let’s dispense with the idea it has anything to do with justice. If it was about justice, the man should’ve been arrested, tried, and executed soon after Bangladesh achieved independence. But here we are, 45 years later, Nizami finally gets his due. You have to ask: what happened in the interim? Well, nothing, except that Jamati’s like Nizami were used by almost every Bangladesh leader – civilian and military – for political advantage, including the current Bangladesh Prime Minister Sheik Hasina! Jamat-e-Islami was once part of her government, which she conveniently doesn’t mention.

In essence, the execution (or murder) of people like Nizami is strictly political. Hasina is not simply defeating her opponents, she is intent on annihilating them, some physically. Hasina is, pure and simple, an autocrat and a tyrant. And like any tyrant she fixed the system so she can achieve the results she wants, including creating these war tribunals (more like kangaroo courts) to convict war criminals.

I’m no fan of Nizami, but he deserves justice just like his victims.

 

[Nilgiri]

So it has been proven that the agreement signed (war criminals for recognition/reconciliation) covered 195 Pakistan Military officers and not this Razakar guy that is about to be hanged.

The thread has been eye opening in many details.

I wonder if those that claimed this guy was covered under that agreement will post any proof for their assertions?

 

[Abba_Dabba_Jabba]

Both sides committed 'atrocities'; 1. but only one side is getting punished - not fair at all. Millions of 2. Bihari are stranded and denied Bangladeshi citizenship just because they held a more sympathetic view of Pakistan - even though most of them werent even alive when the war began. 3.There are many Bihari and Bangladeshis in Pakistan who received free land; 4.the elders echo the stories of gruesome and cruel atrocities committed by the Indians and the MB. There was one old man who told me about how his village was burnt and his parents hacked to death after they found a wounded Pakistani soldier in one of their homes.

5. Bangladeshis tend to think the MB and Indians were sinless angels - who did nothing wrong and everything right. In that war; no one was an angel.

1. Side which started it, is getting punished. The other side was just protecting it's people from external help i.e. India.

2. How ?

3. These peoples are considered as Muhajirs by Pakistan, and land provided to them were mostly left behind properties by the Hindus who migrated to India. So don't consider it to as a gift to the Biharis or Bangalis.

4. Yes, your will tell about MB & India's atrocities and ours will talk about Pakistani Army's, that's why India & Bangladesh have a proper Judicial system unlike Pakistan.

5. MB was built to carry out operations inside East Pakistan, what do you think they should have done ? fight with lathis/sticks ? Pakistani Army and Jel were killing Bangalis & they raped their women and you are asking for a fare fighting from MB and India ?

 

[volatile]

Already answered by Anubis

Let me post full article for your kind information ,Its just like Hasina was elected free and fair

 

[Abba_Dabba_Jabba]

My main issue is that Pakistan and Turkey had no business making official statements about the judicial process given a) Bangladesh is a sovereign country and b) it was not one of their citizens who was put on trial. Nizami is a Bangladeshi citizen the last time I checked. Erdogan statements were, at best, just cheeky given that he’s arresting opponents and journalists for merely criticizing him.

As for Nizami’s trial and verdict. Let’s dispense with the idea it has anything to do with justice. If it was about justice, the man should’ve been arrested, tried, and executed soon after Bangladesh achieved independence. But here we are, 45 years later, Nizami finally gets his due. You have to ask: what happened in the interim? Well, nothing, except that Jamati’s like Nizami were used by almost every Bangladesh leader – civilian and military – for political advantage, including the current Bangladesh Prime Minister Sheik Hasina! Jamat-e-Islami was once part of her government, which she conveniently doesn’t mention.

In essence, the execution (or murder) of people like Nizami is strictly political. Hasina is not simply defeating her opponents, she is intent on annihilating them, some physically. Hasina is, pure and simple, an autocrat and a tyrant. And like any tyrant she fixed the system so she can achieve the results she wants, including creating these war tribunals (more like kangaroo courts) to convict war criminals.

I’m no fan of Nizami, but he deserves justice just like his victims.

I think apart from thinking about what happened in between with him or whether he was part of any govt org or not, we should concentrate more on whether he is a culprit or not. If he is proven guilty he should be punished. May be the political scenario in mid 80-90s in BD was not best to carry out such steps, as the situation in the country could have deteriorated by executioin of such political & religious leader. May be it is the best time for the BD government to take such steps, as I think it is enjoying best phase of it political carrier.

 

[American Pakistani]

https://www.icrc.org/casebook/doc/case-study/bangladesh-india-pakistan-1974-agreement-case-study.htm

Nizami and others who have been tried do not get protection under the agreement....the agreement talks about 195 POWs....Nizami was neither a POW nor is he a Pakistani citizen....Therefore Pakistan has absolutely nothing it can do about it...and Pakistan has no grounds to object either.

Firstly Pakistan don't care what a traitor says. For Pakistan Nizami words are more valuable as he was a defender against mutkia terrorists.

Secondly even if you guys cosume what he said, then he clearly said that he will follow geneva convention. I'm not an expert but as far as what i understand, Geneva convention says that no individual can be prosecuted out of hatred. If any individual has comitted a crime they has to go through normal courts and not war tribunals.

Thirdly Pakistan and it's allies will keep raising their voice no matter what Bangladesh does, you can reject condemnations but can't stop.

 

[Dr Gupta]

Did the PM of Turkey resign recently saying he does not want to be part of a dictatorship sham of a democracy?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/may/05/ahmet-davutoglus-future-turkish-prime-minister-balance

 

[Anubis]

Firstly Pakistan don't care what a traitor says. For Pakistan Nizami words are more valuable as he was a defender against mutkia terrorists.

Secondly even if you guys cosume what he said, then he clearly said that he will follow geneva convention. I'm not an expert but as far as what i understand, Geneva convention says that no individual can be prosecuted out of hatred. If any individual has comitted a crime they has to go through normal courts and not war tribunals.

Thirdly Pakistan and it's allies will keep raising their voice no matter what Bangladesh does, you can reject condemnations but can't stop.

The court is valid under the Geneva convention Article 6(C)......Pakistanis can keep raising their voice to show their solidarity with their genocidal ilk but they can't save even a fly....Bangladesh has done everything following international law.

https://www.icrc.org/casebook/doc/case-study/bangladesh-india-pakistan-1974-agreement-case-study.htm

Know your history, If you just wanted to please Indians you should look into this first .
My friend history you can not change just for your reference ,Pak accepted Bangladesh based on an agreement signed by all parties (Pak,Ban,India) ,I am putting some points out of this agreement

The question of 195 Pakistani prisoners of war was discussed by the three Ministers, in the context of the earnest desire of the Governments for reconciliation, peace and friendship in the sub-continent. The Foreign Minister of Bangladesh stated that the excesses and manifold crimes committed by these prisoners of war constituted, according to the relevant provisions of the U.N. General Assembly Resolutions and International Law, war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide, and that there was universal consensus that persons charged with such crimes as the 195 Pakistani prisoners of war should be held to account and subjected to the due process of law. The Minister of State for Defence and Foreign Affairs of the Government of Pakistan said that his Government condemned and deeply regretted any crimes that may have been committed.

1. In this connection the three Ministers noted that the matter should be viewed in the context of the determination of the three countries to continue resolutely to work for reconciliation. The Ministers further noted that following recognition, the Prime Minister of Pakistan had declared that he would visit Bangladesh in response to the invitation of the Prime Minister of Bangladesh and appealed to the people of Bangladesh to forgive and forget the mistakes of the past, in order to promote reconciliation. Similarly, the Prime Minister of Bangladesh had declared with regard to the atrocities and destruction committed in Bangladesh in 1971 that he wanted the people to forget the past and to make a fresh start, stating that the people of Bangladesh knew how to forgive.
2. In the light of the foregoing and, in particular, having regard to the appeal of the Prime Minister of Pakistan to the people of Bangladesh to forgive and forget the mistakes of the past, the Foreign Minister of Bangladesh stated that the Government of Bangladesh had decided not to proceed with the trials as an act of clemency. It was agreed that the 195 prisoners of war may be repatriated to Pakistan along with the other prisoners of war now in the process of repatriation under the Delhi Agreement. [...]

I have answered check first

None of the men under trial now were among the 195 POWs....they were never considered POWs neither were they Pakistanis....if you(your government) thinks Bangladesh violated the agreement why don't they go to international court? I'll tell you why because unlike pdf fanboys they know we have done nothing wrong and they cannot save Nizami and gang.

 

[American Pakistani]

The court is valid under the Geneva convention Article 6(C)......Pakistanis can keep raising their voice to show their solidarity with their genocidal ilk but they can't save even a fly....Bangladesh has done everything following international law.

Yes Pakistan will keep raising it's voice against terrorist mutkia and it's ilk. As I said, you may condemn it but can't stop.