Nirbhay Cruise Missile range is potentially 1600+kms

[amardeep mishra]

Hi!
DRDO's annual report has just been published and it contains wealth of information on various systems except strategic ones. For instance DRDO's report has this to say about Nirbhay and indigenous turbofan:

Analyzing, open source report on Nirbhay we see that Nirbhay has a potential to reach beyond 1600kms. This is because in recent HATs, Manik micro turbofan could run for 2hrs continuously at max load conditions. Now since both Manik and Russian Saturn 36MT are in 450kgf class and similar SFC, one would expect similar ranges. Now extrapolating, the fact that last trial lasted for 50mins and Nirbhay could cover ~700kms, with the indigenous Manik, they should be able to cover a range of more than 1600kms. One must also bear in mind that the Nirbhay was flying very low <200m in it's last flight in certain sections of the mission. If however, the missile flies all high at 8km altitude, then range can further be increased to 2000kms!
In my opinion, even a 1600kms range for Nirbhay is more than enough for India's current needs. It surpasses the capabilities of Pakistan's Babur in range criteria.

 

[punit]

Hi!
DRDO's annual report has just been published and it contains wealth of information on various systems except strategic ones. For instance DRDO's report has this to say about Nirbhay and indigenous turbofan:
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Analyzing, open source report on Nirbhay we see that Nirbhay has a potential to reach beyond 1600kms. This is because in recent HATs, Manik micro turbofan could run for 2hrs continuously at max load conditions. Now since both Manik and Russian Saturn 36MT are in 450kgf class and similar SFC, one would expect similar ranges. Now extrapolating, the fact that last trial lasted for 50mins and Nirbhay could cover ~700kms, with the indigenous Manik, they should be able to cover a range of more than 1600kms. One must also bear in mind that the Nirbhay was flying very low <200m in it's last flight in certain sections of the mission. If however, the missile flies all high at 8km altitude, then range can further be increased to 2000kms!
In my opinion, even a 1600kms range for Nirbhay is more than enough for India's current needs. It surpasses the capabilities of Pakistan's Babur in range criteria.

too many speculation.Get the successful tests ratio on track 1st.

 

[MimophantSlayer]

too many speculation.Get the successful tests ratio on track 1st.

Cruise missiles are extremely complicated systems, they are more or less like UAV's.
It will take time but we'll eventually get it right, we always do.

Even Tomahawk had & has a string of failures before it was inducted, we shouldn't expect anything less.
However, unlike some people, we can be absolutely sure that our tests are legitimate and our own.

 

[ALi Rizwan]

too many speculation.Get the successful tests ratio on track 1st.

Sir some things only looks good on paper.

 

[amardeep mishra]

too many speculation.Get the successful tests ratio on track 1st.

Hi punit,
Thanks for your question, but what I wrote above wasn't merely speculation-- instead it is known as analysis based on open source information. I'm afraid you couldn't understand it maybe? Either way, do your maths and you'll reach the same conclusion.
As for the success, don't worry it'll come in due time. Remember every major development program has failures.

 

[Safriz]

Hi!
DRDO's annual report has just been published and it contains wealth of information on various systems except strategic ones. For instance DRDO's report has this to say about Nirbhay and indigenous turbofan:
View attachment 481816 View attachment 481817
View attachment 481818
Analyzing, open source report on Nirbhay we see that Nirbhay has a potential to reach beyond 1600kms. This is because in recent HATs, Manik micro turbofan could run for 2hrs continuously at max load conditions. Now since both Manik and Russian Saturn 36MT are in 450kgf class and similar SFC, one would expect similar ranges. Now extrapolating, the fact that last trial lasted for 50mins and Nirbhay could cover ~700kms, with the indigenous Manik, they should be able to cover a range of more than 1600kms. One must also bear in mind that the Nirbhay was flying very low <200m in it's last flight in certain sections of the mission. If however, the missile flies all high at 8km altitude, then range can further be increased to 2000kms!
In my opinion, even a 1600kms range for Nirbhay is more than enough for India's current needs. It surpasses the capabilities of Pakistan's Babur in range criteria.

What about Fuel carrying capacity?
Even if its fitted with an engine which can run for 2 hours, has it got the fuel for 2 hours?

 

[hussain0216]

Indian tamasha and bull plop

Desert Ferrari in the Sky?

One thing the Pakistani military does well is they keep these things under tight control, weapons are planned, prepared and tested under tight control with few announcements and then a big reveal
Which tends to throw indians into a tizzy of depression and accusations of chini maal chinni maal, fake tests


Indians bang their chicken chests and beat their drums for years before a weapon even gets off the ground and when it turns out to be INDIAN J.U.N.K and its pointed out to them they trip over themselves trying to justify junk
Arjun
Tejas
Rustom
Insas
All have gone down this route

 

[KapitaanAli]

Indian tamasha and bull plop

Desert Ferrari in the Sky?

One thing the Pakistani military does well is they keep these things under tight control, weapons are planned, prepared and tested under tight control with few announcements and then a big reveal
Which tends to throw indians into a tizzy of depression and accusations of chini maal chinni maal, fake tests


Indians bang their chicken chests and beat their drums for years before a weapon even gets off the ground and when it turns out to be INDIAN J.U.N.K and its pointed out to them they trip over themselves trying to justify junk
Arjun
Tejas
Rustom
Insas
All have gone down this route

Development process involves audit and publishing.

There's virtually no development process in Pakistan and until recently Pakistani members were chest thumping that their cruise missile had 700km range while the reality was half of that, upgraded to 700km only now.

Leave the thread.

 

[RoyalEnfieldBullet500]

What about Fuel carrying capacity?
Even if its fitted with an engine which can run for 2 hours, has it got the fuel for 2 hours?

It will come fitted with mid air refueling system.

 

[MimophantSlayer]

Indian tamasha and bull plop

Desert Ferrari in the Sky?

One thing the Pakistani military does well is they keep these things under tight control, weapons are planned, prepared and tested under tight control with few announcements and then a big reveal
Which tends to throw indians into a tizzy of depression and accusations of chini maal chinni maal, fake tests

Same old stale pakistani rhetoric.
"We don't show much but that doesn't mean we don't have it".
Lol.

Indians bang their chicken chests and beat their drums for years before a weapon even gets off the ground and when it turns out to be INDIAN J.U.N.K and its pointed out to them they trip over themselves trying to justify junk
Arjun
Tejas
Rustom
Insas
All have gone down this route

Arjun-inducted
Tejas-inducted
Insas-won a war with it
Rustom-under development.

 

[Sine Nomine]

It surpasses the capabilities of Pakistan's Babur in range criteria.

Infact Babur has been shelved.

Development process involves audit and publishing.

There's virtually no development process in Pakistan and until recently Pakistani members were chest thumping that their cruise missile had 700km range while the reality was half of that, upgraded to 700km only now.

Leave the thread.

We don't have any cruise missile.

 

[KapitaanAli]

@amardeep mishra The 50min trial you mentioned reportedly used a turbojet engine and not Saturn. Nirbhay has shown even better performance with Saturn, and would with Manik.

 

[hussain0216]

Development process involves audit and publishing.

There's virtually no development process in Pakistan and until recently Pakistani members were chest thumping that their cruise missile had 700km range while the reality was half of that, upgraded to 700km only now.

Leave the thread.

Of course there is a development process in Pakistan, our military, scientists, engineers jump through hoops to try and protect our homeland. Immense amount of work and effort goes into developing our cruise missiles, MIRV capable Ababeel or our battlefield nukes or anything

Its just that we dont bang our drums like idiots before we are ready to reveal the weapon

Babur has a range of 700km the technology involved is difficult to master, upto 700km its deadly and currently immense work is being undertaken to ensure that as the range increases its cruise missile characteristics arent ignored inthe race for distance.
This buddy is the Pakistani way of developing our weapons to kill hindu india, no chest thumping, no declarations of future 2000km targets, just hard work protecting Pakistan

Arjun-inducted
Tejas-inducted
Insas-won a war with it
Rustom-under development.

ALL JUNK

Desert Ferrari all broke down
Insas was poorly made rubbish that jammed
Rustom and nishant all fell out of the sky
Tejas is a dead donkey you have now been flogging for 40 years, your latest plan is to make it medium weight after spending years trying to take weight off (& failing)

 

[punit]

Indian tamasha and bull plop

Desert Ferrari in the Sky?

One thing the Pakistani military does well is they keep these things under tight control, weapons are planned, prepared and tested under tight control with few announcements and then a big reveal
Which tends to throw indians into a tizzy of depression and accusations of chini maal chinni maal, fake tests


Indians bang their chicken chests and beat their drums for years before a weapon even gets off the ground and when it turns out to be INDIAN J.U.N.K and its pointed out to them they trip over themselves trying to justify junk
Arjun
Tejas
Rustom
Insas
All have gone down this route

Other nation do not have luxury to get missiles under ready to use condition .. all you need is some cheap paint and name of some mass murderer.

 

[amardeep mishra]

What about Fuel carrying capacity?
Even if its fitted with an engine which can run for 2 hours, has it got the fuel for 2 hours?

Of course, I assumed it could carry the requisite fuel.

@amardeep mishra The 50min trial you mentioned reportedly used a turbojet engine and not Saturn. Nirbhay has shown even better performance with Saturn, and would with Manik.

Sorry but it used the turbofan only. I got it clarified at the def expo 2018. I went ahead and asked the GTRE guys.