NEXUS of corrupt politicians and Anglo American Indian establishments,and we behaving like a ostrich

[Village life]

Pakistan is being facing a multilayered war one which is visible and other which is being implanted in our own society which we are happyly tolerating ,that war is being caried out to destroy our country by destroying our infrastructure and economy by the hands of our own people,its known fact that if you want to destroy your enemy destroy the morale and sink that nation to the level where they get ready to become puddles easily.Best way to do this is to implant thiefs and corrupts to the higher posts of that country this is being happening with us since last ten or more years . let's see how they do this,
1) in name of democracy or on the name of human Rights promote those persons who are mentally corrupte and don't have any ideology.
2) bring these people to power and then make them afraid of their crimes to make them further obedient.
3)infiltrate to the institutionnal bureaucracy and make them corrupt as they can sabotage the grass root level infrastructure development.
4) provide that corrupt bureaucracy the shelter of already implanted politicians,and make their exsistane correlated.,
5)support that corrupt system ,either democractic ,monarchy, or dictatorship, which ever serves you better,
6) keep that nation illiterate as long as possible because illiterate society is very prone to adopt extremism,
7)don't not let the economy to grow,because hungry and starving are easy to buy, and they also don't have any thing to loose for which they should worry
8) hit to the core of any institution which stands in the way ,if its army then bind it with the laws of so called pseudo democracy or give them lolly pop, and if its judiciary buy it or bound it to the constitution developed by the corrupte pollutions., and if by Chance any politician becomes patriot ,elliminate it.
9)implant your propaganda houses to divert the nationalism thoughts by humanitarian deceptions.
10)divide the nations on the ethnic basis or on the basis of religion if they are Muslims divert the jehad to the JEHAD with in the Islam, I don't think that we haven't adopted to all these things we are not displeasing our enemies .Having said this all that I have all the right to believe that we are ostrichs, all of us, from peoples to establishment, when the new generation of the nation is brutally massacred by our enemies and we are just seeing it and letting it happen because we are bound to the above laws which are manipulated by our enemies, India or any other doesn't need to fire a bullet at us because they don't need to do so they have seeded well their puppets and puddle in us which are bound to get their job done.

 

[Pakistani E]

You forgot the biggest culprits responsible for violence within Pakistan. The religious savants of this nation, who are still not satisfied with the blood of thousands and want more.

Pakistan's biggest enemies are Pakistanis themselves. Blaming everyone else for problems we have caused is a sure way to prolong the problem. The enemy within is far deadlier than any outside.

 

[flamer84]

You forgot the biggest culprits responsible for violence within Pakistan. The religious savants of this nation, who are still not satisfied with the blood of thousands and want more.

Pakistan's biggest enemies are Pakistanis themselves. Blaming everyone else for problems we have caused is a sure way to pro long the problem. The enemy within is far deadlier than any outside.

Blaming the outer enemy will forever empower the current Pakistani establishment and divert the attention from their own terrible mistakes and,ofcourse,consolidate the status qvo .

 

[Pakistani E]

Blaming the outer enemy will forever empower the current Pakistani establishment and divert the attention from their own terrible mistakes and,ofcourse,consolidate the status qvo .

If the state of Pakistan had come down hard on those responsible for the 1971 fiasco, we would not be in the situation that we are in today. We let accountability die that day and until we have it back Pakistan will continue to suffer.

Parading around the foreign bogeyman is a convenient way to deflect criticism of policies that have blown back in our face. But we are a stubborn people, even the lowest street cleaner will never own up to his/her mistake, forget about the Generals/Bureaucrats/Politicians/Religious Scholars. And as long as we have people like the OP who want to put all the blame on foreign nations/peoples, no one inside will ever be held accountable for their short comings.

 

[flamer84]

If the state of Pakistan had come down hard on those responsible for the 1971 fiasco, we would not be in the situation that we are in today. We let accountability die that day and until we have it back Pakistan will continue to suffer.

Parading around the foreign bogeyman is a convenient way to deflect criticism of policies that have blown back in our face. But we are a stubborn people, even the lowest street cleaner will never own up to his/her mistake, forget about the Generals/Bureaucrats/Politicians/Religious Scholars. And as long as we have people like the OP who want to put all the blame on foreign nations/peoples, no one inside will ever be held accountable for their short comings.

I think that the Army comes first,no accountability there.Loose a war ? No biggie...more slogans on how we're warriors and fight on.Empower non state actors and so on.

Just saw a video with a former Pakistani FM...Ms Karr if I remember correctly,I laughed alot, but if I were a citizen of Pakistan I would cry,she never seemed to be in the room when decisions,important decisions, were taken...the FM for God's sake .Nice lady though,well spoken,atractive.

 

[sady]

If the state of Pakistan had come down hard on those responsible for the 1971 fiasco, we would not be in the situation that we are in today. We let accountability die that day and until we have it back Pakistan will continue to suffer.

Parading around the foreign bogeyman is a convenient way to deflect criticism of policies that have blown back in our face. But we are a stubborn people, even the lowest street cleaner will never own up to his/her mistake, forget about the Generals/Bureaucrats/Politicians/Religious Scholars. And as long as we have people like the OP who want to put all the blame on foreign nations/peoples, no one inside will ever be held accountable for their short comings.

People like you live in 70s. Wake up it is 2016. Even the Afghan mujahideen who were 20 at time of Afghan war are now 56. You will always find fault with Establishment. They were part of the problem together with a whole bunch of Civs and politicians. The current establishment are part of the solution so stop beating the dead snake and realise what is going on. There is no Bogeyman. There are real world problems. Could you have forseen lets ten years back the fate of Syria? People like you in Syria must have laughed off the Bogeyman, untill you guess what the mythical character wasn't a myth afterall.

 

[Pakistani E]

People like you live in 70s. Wake up it is 2016. Even the Afghan mujahideen who were 20 at time of Afghan war are now 56. You will always find fault with Establishment. They were part of the problem together with a whole bunch of Civs and politicians. The current establishment are part of the solution so stop beating the dead snake and realise what is going on. There is no Bogeyman. There are real world problems. Could you have forseen lets ten years back the fate of Syria? People like you in Syria must have laughed off the Bogeyman, untill you guess what the mythical character wasn't a myth afterall.

The establishment isn't a individual nor a single institution so I don't know why you are trying to imply I did not bring up the Civs and politicians, and yes I will continue to beat that "dead horse". Because we still have these "dead horses" running around causing chaos in this country. No one is denying real world problems, but since you have brought up Syria, let's continue with that shall we.

Bashar Al Assad facilitated and allowed foreign jihadists to move across Syria and slip in to Iraq to fight American troops for years. They came back to rest there and were monitored closely by Syrian intelligence officers who allowed them to cross unabated. Bashar Al Assad laughed when Ghaddafi warned him about the noose tightening across his own neck, but did he learn to rule Syria justly and bring together disenfranchised Sunnis so they could not be used by regional/ world powers? Nope, he did not learn from his mistakes. I want Pakistan to learn from ours and you cannot learn from mistakes unless you hold those responsible for them accountable.

I think that the Army comes first,no accountability there.Loose a war ? No biggie...more slogans on how we're warriors and fight on.Empower non state actors and so on.

Just saw a video with a former Pakistani FM...Ms Karr if I remember correctly,I laughed alot, but if I were a citizen of Pakistan I would cry,she never seemed to be in the room when decisions,important decisions, were taken...the FM for God's sake .Nice lady though,well spoken,atractive.

Non state actors are not just used by Army though, our current ruling party in power used sectarian and radical groups to further their own political agendas for decades. The army at least have started to realise what mess it created it, but we still see local PML-N leaders placating extremists from proscribed organisations and inviting them to their rallies.

As for Khar, she's part of the same rotten system in a constituency she was para trooped in to because her father was also elected from there. Coming from a family of feudals who have continue to rule over peasants in their respective areas. Her family has been part of subsequent governments, no matter who. I don't think she cared much about what decisions needed to be made. Khar was part of the military led government then joined PPP.

The perception of military pulling the shots is incorrect in my opinion, the Bureaucrats, Feudals and Mullahs are all party to this game.

 

[flamer84]

The establishment isn't a individual nor a single institution so I don't know why you are trying to imply I did not bring up the Civs and politicians, and yes I will continue to beat that "dead horse". Because we still have these "dead horses" running around causing chaos in this country. No one is denying real world problems, but since you have brought up Syria, let's continue with that shall we.

Bashar Al Assad facilitated and allowed foreign jihadists to move across Syria and slip in to Iraq to fight American troops for years. They came back to rest there and were monitored closely by Syrian intelligence officers who allowed them to cross unabated. Bashar Al Assad laughed when Ghaddafi warned him about the noose tightening across his own neck, but did he learn to rule Syria justly and bring together disenfranchised Sunnis so they could not be used by regional/ world powers? Nope, he did not learn from his mistakes. I want Pakistan to learn from ours and you cannot learn from mistakes unless you hold those responsible for them accountable.



Non state actors are not just used by Army though, our current ruling party in power used sectarian and radical groups to further their own political agendas for decades. The army at least have started to realise what mess it created it, but we still see local PML-N leaders placating extremists from proscribed organisations and inviting them to their rallies.

As for Khar, she's part of the same rotten system in a constituency she was para trooped in to because her father was also elected from there. Coming from a family of feudals who have continue to rule over peasants in their respective areas. Her family has been part of subsequent governments, no matter who. I don't think she cared much about what decisions needed to be made. Khar was part of the military led government then joined PPP.

The perception of military pulling the shots is incorrect in my opinion, the Bureaucrats, Feudals and Mullahs are all party to this game.

Thanks for the insight.She even admitted that she was in that position because of her father and her family,very candidly even,when confronted by the moderator.Even in corrupt Romania you would be done for with such a public admission.

 

[sady]

The establishment isn't a individual nor a single institution so I don't know why you are trying to imply I did not bring up the Civs and politicians, and yes I will continue to beat that "dead horse". Because we still have these "dead horses" running around causing chaos in this country. No one is denying real world problems, but since you have brought up Syria, let's continue with that shall we.

Bashar Al Assad facilitated and allowed foreign jihadists to move across Syria and slip in to Iraq to fight American troops for years. They came back to rest there and were monitored closely by Syrian intelligence officers who allowed them to cross unabated. Bashar Al Assad laughed when Ghaddafi warned him about the noose tightening across his own neck, but did he learn to rule Syria justly and bring together disenfranchised Sunnis so they could not be used by regional/ world powers? Nope, he did not learn from his mistakes. I want Pakistan to learn from ours and you cannot learn from mistakes unless you hold those responsible for them accountable.



Non state actors are not just used by Army though, our current ruling party in power used sectarian and radical groups to further their own political agendas for decades. The army at least have started to realise what mess it created it, but we still see local PML-N leaders placating extremists from proscribed organisations and inviting them to their rallies.

As for Khar, she's part of the same rotten system in a constituency she was para trooped in to because her father was also elected from there. Coming from a family of feudals who have continue to rule over peasants in their respective areas. Her family has been part of subsequent governments, no matter who. I don't think she cared much about what decisions needed to be made. Khar was part of the military led government then joined PPP.

The perception of military pulling the shots is incorrect in my opinion, the Bureaucrats, Feudals and Mullahs are all party to this game.

Thank you for correcting the idiom and putting inverted commas, it doesn't change the fact that neither Zia, Ayub, Bhutto, Ghulam Ishaq or any other can be brought back from dead to answer neither can we disband the current establishment which I think is pre dominately military and at loggerheads with everyone corrupt. When we take Pakistani establishment it is unlike most establishments or deep state in the world which are composed of almost all influential sections of society but predominately old wealth, aristocrats, statesmen, intelligence, forces, old banks etc and by nature they favour status quo and controlled transition if ever for the vested interests and some interest of general public. Pakistan started off by similiar establishment which sensed Bengalis, Hindustani migrants and Fatima Jinnah as threats to their version of status quo and vested interests. Gradually the establishment turned slowly to predominanetly military by the time of Zia and Islamists gained entry into it. Till Musharaf we remained in this phase. The establishment had actually abandoned the status quo and by convention defied it's nature. Musharraf further eroded the true essence of deep state and had purely became one man show. There was no status quo to maintain after this. Kiyani and then RS put in place a new order based on purely National interests. If we would require Jehadis in a purely non emotional clinical way we would and if we can do without them we won't break a sweat. Pakistan will abandon Afghan Taliban in less than a sec if Afghanistan ceases to be a threat. LeT and JeM have also outserved their purpose and will be sorted when indigenous struggle in Kashmir reaches maturity. Proxy wars in future are inevitable in this region how much one wants to keep his hands clean.

I have seen political parties rejoice in london while Karachi burnt, aid Taliban when they butchered children and Media siding with separatists who killed poor labourers while they slept only because there place of birth was from different province and I have seen men in uniform clean the mess. Whose mess? Our collective mess as a nation for electing who we elect and past powers for selecting those who we elect.Who do you think I will root for?

 

[Village life]

My points are very clear ,I am saying that the enemy or enemies are implanting their proxies and that are quite visible even a child can detect it, the problem is why aren't we eradicating them ,we have their agents in all of our institutions including establishment and political parties ,why don't we have a proactive policy to eliminate them,

 

[Village life]

People like you live in 70s. Wake up it is 2016. Even the Afghan mujahideen who were 20 at time of Afghan war are now 56. You will always find fault with Establishment. They were part of the problem together with a whole bunch of Civs and politicians. The current establishment are part of the solution so stop beating the dead snake and realise what is going on. There is no Bogeyman. There are real world problems. Could you have forseen lets ten years back the fate of Syria? People like you in Syria must have laughed off the Bogeyman, untill you guess what the mythical character wasn't a myth afterall.

Very true ,but the nation is anticipating more from the establishment, and also the ractification of the NRO blunder done by Mushy and then ostrichism of kiyani ,

 

[wiseone2]

Pakistan is being facing a multilayered war one which is visible and other which is being implanted in our own society which we are happyly tolerating ,that war is being caried out to destroy our country by destroying our infrastructure and economy by the hands of our own people,its known fact that if you want to destroy your enemy destroy the morale and sink that nation to the level where they get ready to become puddles easily.Best way to do this is to implant thiefs and corrupts to the higher posts of that country this is being happening with us since last ten or more years . let's see how they do this,
1) in name of democracy or on the name of human Rights promote those persons who are mentally corrupte and don't have any ideology.
2) bring these people to power and then make them afraid of their crimes to make them further obedient.
3)infiltrate to the institutionnal bureaucracy and make them corrupt as they can sabotage the grass root level infrastructure development.
4) provide that corrupt bureaucracy the shelter of already implanted politicians,and make their exsistane correlated.,
5)support that corrupt system ,either democractic ,monarchy, or dictatorship, which ever serves you better,
6) keep that nation illiterate as long as possible because illiterate society is very prone to adopt extremism,
7)don't not let the economy to grow,because hungry and starving are easy to buy, and they also don't have any thing to loose for which they should worry
8) hit to the core of any institution which stands in the way ,if its army then bind it with the laws of so called pseudo democracy or give them lolly pop, and if its judiciary buy it or bound it to the constitution developed by the corrupte pollutions., and if by Chance any politician becomes patriot ,elliminate it.
9)implant your propaganda houses to divert the nationalism thoughts by humanitarian deceptions.
10)divide the nations on the ethnic basis or on the basis of religion if they are Muslims divert the jehad to the JEHAD with in the Islam, I don't think that we haven't adopted to all these things we are not displeasing our enemies .Having said this all that I have all the right to believe that we are ostrichs, all of us, from peoples to establishment, when the new generation of the nation is brutally massacred by our enemies and we are just seeing it and letting it happen because we are bound to the above laws which are manipulated by our enemies, India or any other doesn't need to fire a bullet at us because they don't need to do so they have seeded well their puppets and puddle in us which are bound to get their job done.

read your posting and see if it makes sense
if you cannot express your views in a clear concise manner how many you expect others ?

 

[Village life]

read your posting and see if it makes sense
if you cannot express your views in a clear concise manner how many you expect others ?

Well if this forum is for single line threads and is for just to count the no:of post then I would have disappointed many,but if there exists a thing called discussion and learning then i might have contributed, Mujjy tu raas na aya ye andaz e fourm,yahn alfaz giny jaty hain toly Nai jaty,(with a due sorry to the soul of A .Iqubal r.a) I would appreciate it you just point out a single point out my 10 points which is null and non real ,that's what I call behaving like a ostrich not contributing any positivity,

 

[wiseone2]

Well if this forum is for single line threads and is for just to count the no:of post then I would have disappointed many,but if there exists a thing called discussion and learning then i might have contributed, Mujjy tu raas na aya ye andaz e fourm,yahn alfaz giny jaty hain toly Nai jaty,(with a due sorry to the soul of A .Iqubal r.a) I would appreciate it you just point out a single point out my 10 points which is null and non real ,that's what I call behaving like a ostrich not contributing any positivity,

Let us discuss this
" in name of democracy or on the name of human Rights promote those persons who are mentally corrupte and don't have any ideology."

There is nothing wrong with representative democracy or human rights.
Who decides who is mentally corrupt ?? Is there even a definition ?

Who decides who have ideology ? And who does not ? There is unwritten assumption that people should have an ideology.

 

[Farah Sohail]

Well if this forum is for single line threads and is for just to count the no:of post then I would have disappointed many,but if there exists a thing called discussion and learning then i might have contributed, Mujjy tu raas na aya ye andaz e fourm,yahn alfaz giny jaty hain toly Nai jaty,(with a due sorry to the soul of A .Iqubal r.a) I would appreciate it you just point out a single point out my 10 points which is null and non real ,that's what I call behaving like a ostrich not contributing any positivity,

The person u replied to...is an indian...so obviously he would disagree and make fun of you...so dont bother to reply him, when u know he is just trolling

On topic : Cant agree more, with the OP... The sooner, our security instituitions realises this, the better.. Its become an existential threat for Pakistan.. Pakistan cant survive longer, if we continue to have the same system... Theres a dire need for ruthless accountability of our elites....otherwise we are doomed... NROed democracy was a grand trap set up by our enemies... Our security instituitions..must get us out this notorious system...otherwise...things will only get from bad to worse... Theres no autocorrect in this system... Therrs a dire need for complete overhaul of this system, with ruthless accountability..for few years..and after tht we can have elections..but no matter how many elections take place under the current system, situation will only get worse and we might end up like syria..where those, who can save Pakistan now, wont be able to do much then, either... So they must wakeup before its too late