Next generation pakistan army tank to be unveiled in IDEAS2018

[Cookie Monster]

Dilemma. AK production rate doesn't meet requirements, redundant tanks which can't be used in modern armoured warfare, form about 16 regiments in our Armd Corps, and the new acquisitions can't get decided as both VT4 and Oplot have failed first trials here. Don't know how the VT4 did this time but another tank type induction in short term will cause severe logistical issues.

We have to streamline our variety in armour, seeing the mess we possess, it's going to be pretty hard when the army will face large scale manouver ops with limited supplies in wartime.

I say we should pour in the cash to boost the AK-1 production rate, convert more T59 units into AZ and if needed disband a few units or transfer to reserves like the IA has done with it's T55s. AK-2 project should be taken seriously, just do what we did with MBT-2000 to MBT-3000 (VT4).

But this is long term, not urgent, and we have to focus on improving the overall fleet quality, reducing the logistical burden and making the AC leaner yet more effective. When a third of the Corps is at quality of infantry support ops only, these measures are necessary.

Is AK2 supposed to be the next upgraded version of AK1 and still the low end(to be made in numbers) with Oplot(or VT4, whichever gets picked) being the high end?

Or is Pak getting only a small number of Oplot(or VT4) and AK1/AK2 combo will serve as high/low?

Can anyone please shed some light on this? Right now between Al-Zarrar, Al-Khalid, T80UD, older tanks, and this new Oplot/VT4 acquisition...it seems too fragmented. Anyone know the future plans of streamlining this mess?

 

[Irfan Baloch]

hope they tone down the commentary
the commentator while introducing AL Khalid was sying this tank is the terror of the battlefield and worlds best and all tanks hide when it comes out other countries have started dismantling their tanks and other armies are using their tanks as taxis now because how awesome the AL Khalid is. it wills the battle filed to its liking its a Chuck Noris of tanks

thinking of Abrams, Leopards and Armata etc I just silently cringed because the audience included Europeans as well.

 

[Awan68]

hope they tone down the commentary
the commentator while introducing AL Khalid was sying this tank is the terror of the battlefield and worlds best and all tanks hide when it comes out other countries have started dismantling their tanks and other armies are using their tanks as taxis now because how awesome the AL Khalid is. it wills the battle filed to its liking its a Chuck Noris of tanks

thinking of Abrams, Leopards and Armata etc I just silently cringed because the audience included Europeans as well.

, thora masala to chalta hai, Pakistan hai sir jee.

 

[BATMAN]

If there's an urgent requirement to replace the existing type 85 and older than Oplot is the best choice from 2, due to logistics reasons.

Otherwise, Pakistan need to build partnership with international technological firms and work on its own product as next generation.

 

[__Jihadi__]

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I got my pass and this thread is the only thing that is keeping me excited enough to visit this time

 

[YeBeWarned]

Not going this year [emoji20] now this is very heart breaking ..

 

[Allahistan]

Regardless of what kind of tank we get we can turn Pakistan military into A.I. based warfare force using mathematically driven systems engineering implemented on off the shelf components. There are a lot of things we can do as technical ability to do so already exist within Pakistan.


For tank and other vehicle/soldier based warfare, we must develop situation aware distributed attack capability. This can be done initially using tanks only but later other vehicles and ultimately soldiers carrying anti-tank weapons. Nobody has it and we will have an upper hand always. The initiator always leads. I won’t say much but distributed attack means here simultaneously attacking vast regions by letting A.I. suggested maneuvers and targeting that maximizes damages while maintains safety margins.

Though it would mean adding more computing power in each vehicle and tank, but I have the feelings we can reduce nodal computations (e.g. each vehicle is node) to such a degree, that commercially available (and relatively cheap) data and image processing chips can be used. We will need to find a way to reduce information sharing data amount since it must be communicated in real time and in highly communication degrading battlefield environment (i.e. due to possible jamming attempts). It is possible to reduce data on some portions of the network and increase on others using A.I. driven self-organizing at-hock sensor networks such that minimum information transfer constraints are maintained or we at least have sufficiently fast processors to compensate using time-delay models.

For large scale cyber-physical systems general hardware/software verification via current logic based approaches is not possible. In plain English, mathematical proofs that all will work as required cannot be mathematically rigorously derived in general but only for specific situations). Therefore for such a cyber-physical system it would be impossible to confirm mathematically hardware-software verification, still we can definitely carry out verification with sufficient fidelity (i.e. simulation assisted models) so that even if a war last for a thousand years, we can cause massive damage with high probability, every day. Here verification means, our ability to be confident that the large scale system designed for such warfare will not suffer from unwanted or unexpected behavior, under all possible scenarios (i.e. unexpected mode of operations, glitches, data clogging etc.).

We would still need to separately process the received data to dynamically update evolution of enemy forces and create human-machine cognition of what is going on in the battle field not just for commander but for the A.I. system as well so that can keep getting smarter. That actually can be done with existing data-based A.I. (i.e. machine learning approaches).

A.I. despite its fancy name, won’t be that hard though it would take around 2 to 3 years to build basic integrated A.I. that has at one had sufficient structure to absorb ever increasing information complexity (i.e. can estimate/represent, and infer/predict dynamics of war assets, people, environmental and information based interaction of sufficiently complex nature) and yet can discriminate at a resolution where actions is most appropriate (i.e. based on the situation, and limited computational and other resources, should it focus on information disruption, feeding false information or bomb a certain vehicle cluster for maximum effect with minimum cost and so on). Current machine learning approaches can be scaled up to create such a system.


Pakistan already has people with expertise in data-driven A.I. My definition is as follows: Data driven A.I. is a kind of artificial intelligence that derives its structure and/or modifies itself in response to received data and then uses this self-modification to predict, classify/discriminate, control and or influence something out there.

 

[HalfMoon]

, thora masala to chalta hai, Pakistan hai sir jee.

Same is the case in India too.

 

[dexter]

saw today some armored vehicles and tanks covered at hassan square, just one thing that bothers that when ideas will start so the roads will be blocked and once again we will have to face hours of traffic jam to reach our home.
I hope our military will take some major steps in future for convenience of civilians.

 

[__Jihadi__]

Not going this year [emoji20] now this is very heart breaking ..

don't worry, want to see live through my lense ?

 

[YeBeWarned]

don't worry, want to see live through my lense ?

Sure buddy .. Please post pics

 

[__Jihadi__]

saw today some armored vehicles and tanks covered at hassan square, just one thing that bothers that when ideas will start so the roads will be blocked and once again we will have to face hours of traffic jam to reach our home.
I hope our military will take some major steps in future for convenience of civilians.

Yeah I saw a helicopter landing yesterday and traffic ughhh you are right they need to do something about that.

 

[Dreamer.]

So....... IDEAS started yet? where's that new tank or the announcement about it?

 

[JohnWick]

Where is the new tank?

 

[War Thunder]

So....... IDEAS started yet? where's that new tank or the announcement about it?

Wohi to mei soch rahan hon.
Koi hokey nhi aya waha se?

Kholo Kholo kuch to bolo...