Next Chief Of Army Staff - 2013 ?

[Farah Sohail]

Dont u people think tht ISI chief would be more suitable...because being an ISI chief gives first hand knowledge of what exactly is happening in and out of Pakistan.. He has the real exposure......Kiyani himself was also an ISI chief.. And Gen Zaheer ul Islam has been Corps Commander karachi too.... Though I am no one to comment, but I think being an ISI chief should be an added advantage.. Its just tht as u ppl said he is down the seniority list..but someone told tht first 2-3 generals are supposed to retire within 2-3 months...so maybe its possible tht they dont consider those who are to retire too soon after Nov and give someone who has atleast 1-2 yrs left in service..yea i know being COAS gives an automatic 3 yr extension but maybe..they dont consider those, supposed to retire too soon..

 

[genmirajborgza786]

By the time current chief retires, I believe Lt Gen Haroon (Ex Commander SSG) would be the senior most general, and if Nawaz does what he said, that senior most will get the job, he may be the one. But you never know.

chief , some say it might be Lt Gen Rashad Mehmood what is your opinion on this

 

[Pakistanisage]

These are the Candidates, especially the ones in Bold:




5.Lt Gen Muhammad Haroon Aslam, HI(M), SBt, AK[3] — Chief of Logistics Staff (CLS), GHQ. (Colonel Commandant of the Azad Kashmir Regiment). Due to retire on 9 April 2014.
6.Lt Gen Rashad Mahmood, HI(M), Baloch[3] — Chief of General Staff (CGS), GHQ. Due to retire on 9 April 2014.
7.Lt Gen Raheel Sharif, HI(M), FF[4] — Inspector General Training and Evaluation (IGT&E), GHQ. Due to retire on 1 October 2014.

8.Lt Gen Tariq Khan, HI(M), AC — Commander, I Corps, Mangla. (Colonel Commandant of the Armoured Corps). Due to retire on 1 October 2014.

9.Lt Gen Muhammad Zaheerul Islam, HI(M), Punjab[5] — DG Inter-Services Intelligence (DG ISI), ISI Dte, Islamabad. (Colonel Commandant of the Punjab Regiment). Due to retire on 1 October 2014.
10.Lt Gen Salim Nawaz, HI(M), SBt, Baloch[6] — Inspector General Armaments (IGA), GHQ. Due to retire on 1 October 2014.

11.Lt Gen Khalid Rabbani, HI(M), Punjab[7] — Commander, XI Corps, Peshawar. Due to retire on 1 October 2014.

12.Lt Gen Muzammil Hussain, HI(M), Baloch[4] — Commander, XXX Corps, Gujranwala. (Colonel Commandant of the Northern Light Infantry Regiment). Due to retire on 1 October 2014.

13.Lt Gen Sajjad Ghani, HI(M), Engrs[8] — Quarter-Master General (QMG), GHQ. Due to retire on 1 October 2014.
14.Lt Gen Muhammad Ahsan Mahmood, HI(M), Engrs[9] — Chairman, Pakistan Ordnance Factories (POF), Wah Cantonment. Due to retire on 15 April 2015.
15.Lt Gen Muhammad Asif, HI(M), Sind[10] — DG Joint Staff (DG JS), JSHQ, Chaklala. (Colonel Commandant of the Sind Regiment). Due to retire on 15 April 2015.


16.Lt Gen Abid Pervaiz, HI(M), AC[11] — Commander, II Corps, Multan. Due to retire on 15 April 2015.

17.Lt Gen Javed Iqbal, HI(M), FF[10] — Adjutant General (AG), GHQ. Due to retire on 15 April 2015
18.Lt Gen Nasser Khan Janjua, HI(M), Punjab[12] — President, National Defence University (NDU), Islamabad. Due to retire on 4 October 2015.
19.Lt Gen Syed Tariq Nadeem Gilani, HI(M), Arty[9] — Commander, Army Strategic Forces Command (Comd ASFC), Rawalpindi. (Colonel Commandant of the Regiment of Artillery). Due to retire on 4 October 2015.


20.Lt Gen Muhammad Ijaz Chaudhry, HI(M), Arty[5] — Commander, V Corps, Karachi. Due to retire on 4 October 2015.


21.Lt Gen Naweed Zaman, HI(M), Punjab[9] — Military Secretary (MS), GHQ. Due to retire on 4 October 2015.


22.Lt Gen Maqsood Ahmad, HI(M), FF[3] — Commander, IV Corps, Lahore. Due to retire on 13 January 2017.


23.Lt Gen Zubair Mahmood Hayat, HI(M), Arty[3] — Commander, XXXI Corps, Bahawalpur. Due to retire on 13 January 2017.

 

[razgriz19]

I wouldn't mind having DGISI Zaheer Ul Islam as COAS. Apparently no one in west really knows him...
And c'mon he "looks" like a COAS, like Kayani and Musharraf.

 

[muse]

At a minimum it must be a graduate of any Western military academy or any non-Pakistani academy.

A rethink on seniority - the best man for the job

 

[RazPaK]

Anybody as long as it is not Kiyani the na mard.

 

[Albatross]

So this is how it looks right now.

1: Lt. General Haroon Aslam Current (CLS)

2: Lt. General Rashad Mahmood current (CGS).

3: Lt. General Tariq Khan [Commander, I Corps, Mangla.]

4: Lt.Gen Muhammad Zaheer Ul Islam. [DGISI]

This list is the one based on seniority. Who do you think will be the next COAS?

If we go by NZ words that he will go for whoever is the senior most then it should be either general haroon or gen rashad .
As per my knowledge Rashad enjoys good relation with shareefs but on the other hand is not professionally very sound ( I may be wrong though) .
Gen haroon has headed SSG in cherat as DG and is seemingly more professional but his appointment as CLS makes it confusing as that post is not considered very sensitive and important especially for a gonna be COAS.

Gen tariq being IG FC during swat operation has earn the reputation of someone who can take hard and timely decisions when required but is labeled as pro-american which can be a plus or a negative point depending on the state of Pak relations with US in nov 13.

Our DG ISI keeps a low profile and having served as chief of staff at army strategic force command is considered to be very visionary and "Right on track" soldier but is the junior most among these fours .And our political elites doesnt have good experiences when they promoted jun most into top slot e.g zia and musharraf .

So its really not easy to choose any one and I guess the power lies with kayani as to which 2-3 names he is gonna fwd to NZ and what are gonna be his recomendations.

At a minimum it must be a graduate of any Western military academy or any non-Pakistani academy.

A rethink on seniority - the best man for the job

How many among these 4 fulfill this criteria ? If you know ?

 

[muse]

How many among these 4 fulfill this criteria ? If you know ?

I do not know

 

[airmarshal]

General Islam looks like a typical Army general. He could not have chosen any other profession.

I dont know the merits and demerits of each general. The COAS criteria must be leadership and seniority.

The thing that concerns me is that institutions progress when the accession to top slot is regular. In last 16 years, we had only two COAS. We might have lost potentially very strong leaders in those years.

 

[muse]

. The COAS criteria must be leadership and seniority. .

Well we disagree on seniority thing - but leadership is a quality all armed forces seek to develop, however, leaders not only define missions, they motivate it's professional execution, what mission should the next COAS articulate and help execute?

 

[notorious_eagle]

All 4 are equally qualified. Exceptional Officers, Patriots at Heart and Leaders who lead from the Front.

At a minimum it must be a graduate of any Western military academy or any non-Pakistani academy.

A rethink on seniority - the best man for the job

It will be a good quality to have but it should not be the deciding factor

 

[Donatello]

Lt Gen Zahir Ul Islam retires next year i think. 2014 or 2015. So to make him COAS for just a short time doesn't seem viable, even though i would say he would be the best fit as he desperately tried to keep Army out of civilian affairs and involvement, when Karachi was burning, 3 years back and he was the Commander V Corps, he refused to let Army take over the city unless COAS gave explicit orders himself.

Remember guys we need someone who can keep up with both the elected government and the foreign affairs.

 

[OrionHunter]

General Islam looks like a typical Army general. He could not have chosen any other profession.

So you guys select the COAS depending on his looks??

Seriously, it should be based purely on seniority. Look what happened when favorites were promoted to the top job superseding officers who were senior and more qualified . They screwed things up real bad, and created a lot of bad blood too.

 

[muse]

Reading Notorious and Donatello, I am struck by how they seem to be planted in the past -- @airmarshal suggested leadership and seniority as qualifications, we asked, because it seems an oxymoron to use "leadership" as a criterion for Military positions, since leadership is a quality each recruit is inculcated with, what it is that we need leadership for , what mission, what transition, is the new Leader to oversee -- If the COAS is merely a politician as he was in the past, then we have little to be concerned about, any idiot would do, if he is to be a puppet of Western powers, again, a Western academy graduate would do -- What is it that the next COAS must oversee?

 

[Kompromat]

@muse I think General Zaheer studied some course in the US, i am not sure however.