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News Editorial: Taliban takeover of Swat was supported by establishment insiders

When Musharraf was going full force in WANA he was condemned by the whole political sphere as well as the nation for waging a war against his own people. If Musharraf was somehow allowed to do what he wanted in WANA we wouldn't have the Bajaur or the Swat incident. You can't really accuse of him of running with the Taliban as he was very much against them from the get go. Its these political parties who have a soft spot for the Taliban, people like Imran khan or Nawaz Sharif.

fair point about the politicians - however lets not forget that at the end of the day, people like BM were created by the our very own military establishment(and not the politicians) for attaining short-sighted and misguided objectives.

Merely blaming the sympathetic politicians/cheerleaders while ignoring the military elements responsible for creating the monsters in Swat and SW today would be a case of not telling the whole story. As the News Editorial contends, certain military elements are actually responsible for conceiving and directing the Taliban rampage in Swat.
 
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Well some of the lashkars were created not to spread religious extremism but to eliminate other groups because army had no boots on the ground..Read History of FATA Please..
 
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You're talking as if BM was created out of thin air by Zia-ul-Haq. The Soviet war, tribal culture, imported arab ideas, CIA cash etc. created people like BM. No one is ignoring the military's role since its common knowledge, but there's also something known as beating a dead horse. I suggest you focus your energy on solutions.
 
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You're talking as if BM was created out of thin air by Zia-ul-Haq. The Soviet war, tribal culture, imported arab ideas, CIA cash etc. created people like BM. No one is ignoring the military's role since its common knowledge, but there's also something known as beating a dead horse. I suggest you focus your energy on solutions.

I'm not really referring to what happened 20 years ago. I'm simply expressing my concern based on the News editorial discussing the events in Swat. If there are indeed military elements responsible for engineering the mayhem in Swat, as the News editorial seems to contend, such elements must be brought to justice through the court martial system in a public and transparent manner - thats all.
 
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And it is incorrect that the ANP was calling for the Army to help via military operations - Gen. Athar Abbas and other Army officials clearly stated in various interviews that the Army was under specific orders to not initiate military operations unless attacked first. That is why you heard of stories such as a attacks in a field close to an Army base or checkpoint and the Army doing nothing, because the Army soldiers were not being attacked and therefore the RoE were not met.

Dawn News
April 2009

WHEN faced with a frightening civil war and reeling from repeated blows from a ruthless and determined foe, how does our government react? It puts the country’s clocks forward by an hour. I suppose this is one of the few things it can do to show it exists at all.

The rest of us can be excused for doubting the presence of an administration, given the slide and drift we have been seeing over the last year. As the Taliban have made rapid inroads, and now strut about with greater impunity — to say nothing of immunity — than ever before, it has been painful to watch how ineffective the PPP-led coalition has been.

When her widower, Asif Zardari, signed that infamous instrument of surrender known as the Nizam-i-Adl, Benazir Bhutto must have turned in her grave. Whatever else she might have been accused of in her lifetime, even her worst enemies concede she was a courageous fighter. And although the original demand for Sharia law in Malakand surfaced during her tenure in 1994, I doubt very much that she would have surrendered the state’s writ as easily as this government has done.

Another major politician who would have thoroughly disapproved of the turn of events in Swat and elsewhere is Khan Abdul Wali Khan. The late father of ANP chief Asfandyar Wali Khan, a member of the ruling coalition, was an avowed secularist. His National Awami Party was committed to Bacha Khan’s democratic ideals and struggled to keep religion separate from politics. The sight of his son cravenly handing over Swat (with the NWFP to follow) to the Taliban would have broken the tough old Pashtun leader’s heart.

To their credit, a handful of politicians did not roll over as the Nizam-i-Adl was propelled smoothly through the National Assembly. My old friend Ayaz Amir made sure this law did not pass without some serious doubts being expressed. And the MQM lived up to its secular credentials, although I would have been happier if they had resisted rather than boycotted the proceedings. By contrast, the PPP succumbed and feebly maintained the party line of surrender.

But the deed is done, and we are left to face the consequences of the government’s gutless display. However, we must also accept the fact that we are where we are because the army refused to fight the Taliban in Swat. It can be argued that due to this lack of military resolve, the provincial and federal governments had few options. But surely, given political will, the administration had enough resources at its disposal to confront around 5,000 militants.

This resounding defeat is the cumulative result of years of pandering to extremists. Partly, this happened because the army thought it expedient to use them to further its agenda in Afghanistan and Kashmir. But mainly, it is due to the massive confusion about the true nature of the threat. After my column (‘The high cost of defeat’) appeared in this space last week, I must have received at least a score of emails accusing me of, among other things, not wanting a dialogue with the Taliban. Several readers asked why I did not wish to treat the militants as errant brothers, and reason with them.

I wrote back saying that if any brother of mine went around blowing people up, and chopping off the heads of innocent people, I would want him locked up and tried for murder. No society anywhere advocates negotiations with known killers, whatever their stated motives.
 
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I disagree with your contention that there was no request by the provincial government for military intervention before conjuring up the peace deal. Several columnists in the local newspapers have referred to the lack of responsiveness by the military at the time. I will try to find some links and post them.

Gen Athar Abbas may be right that the Army at the time was under 'orders' not to respond unless attacked first. However, do not assume that the orders were originating from the civilian government. No one should fool themselves into believing that the Army is subservient to the civilian government in practical terms. We all know what happened when the Interior Minister tried to revamp the ISI reporting mechanism. :)
I disagree that the ANP government asked for the military assistance, unless there is a record of the provincial government or Federal Government specifically issuing orders to the military to initiate military operations against the militants and calling for an end to the peace negotiations and ceasefire, before the initiation of the latest operation.

Opinion pieces in the media do not count - a decision like that would have been recorded in the media as the provincial or federal government announcing their decision to initiate military operations, as was the case after the Nizam-e-Adl peace deal collapsed.

I would like to see records of such a request made before I accept your contention that the government asked and the military refused. The 'lack of responsiveness' on the part of the Amry I have already explained, orders from the government to not initiatie offensive operations so as to not endanger their peace deal and negotiations.

Finally, about your point that the Army is practically not subservient to the government - if that were the case the Army would also not have ended the Swat operations in early 2008, where they had achieved success after a hard struggle and many soldiers lost. Nor does your assertion makes sense since in your earlier posts you praised gen. Kiyani for his stance and policies. Gen. Kiyani was also COAS during 2008, and it is simply ludicrous to suggest that his subordinates would be able to refuse to act upon a government order (and therefore also an order from military superiors to act in accordance with the government order) to initiate operations.

The ISI proposal was a bad one, and it was sunk by the military high command, including Gen. Kiyani. I do not think the military went beyond its brief in that situation - the proposal for restructuring a military institution should have input from the military.

Everyone here knows that there was no other option to secure the lives and property of the people of Swat.[/B]

And for the longest time, especially during the time Musharraf was in power, the slogan was that 'there is no other option than dialog to resolve the conflict', and it was said specifically as an anti-operation argument.
 
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But the deed is done, and we are left to face the consequences of the government’s gutless display. However, we must also accept the fact that we are where we are because the army refused to fight the Taliban in Swat. It can be argued that due to this lack of military resolve, the provincial and federal governments had few options. But surely, given political will, the administration had enough resources at its disposal to confront around 5,000 militants.
The Army DID fight the militants - that is what happened through the elections in 2008. It is the politicians and the media that was baying for the Army's blood for 'pursuing the US agenda and killing its own people', it is the politicians and the media that were cheer-leading the newly elected stalwarts of democracy as they embarked upon fulfilling their election time pledges of 'dialog'.
 
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upper echelons of the establishment, in some political parties and elements of the media both print and electronic
This clearly means parties like PPP, ANP etc.
We all know top brass of establishment was changed immediately after new govt. assumed power. As if it they already have a plan and they knew they are going to make it to the top post.
We all know how media of Pakistan got in tune with the world to beat one word 'dictator'.
Funds for lawyers movement started to come in. leaders of lawyers movent got new cars.
Instead of justice society got 400% more corrupt.
Suddenly IMF decided to lend Pakistan billions of dollars and our Shaukat Tareen started to get rich!
Defence budget was slashed, reimbursments of war expenditures were tied t ocivilian sector!
Did some one ever wondered those foreign Taliban could get assistance from Zardari govt. but not funds and american and indian wepons.
We had media friendly Taliban, who meet and greet media and are available for peace deals but police failed to get them.
 
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I disagree with your contention that there was no request by the provincial government for military intervention before conjuring up the peace deal. Several columnists in the local newspapers have referred to the lack of responsiveness by the military at the time. I will try to find some links and post them.

Going beyond newspaper clips, on a personal note, several family friends in the PPP circle have confirmed the account regarding the ANP's request for comprehensive military intervention before it turned to the Nizam Adl deal

Alllow me to burst the bubble of your personal account from your PPP friends :) The NWFP government demand time and again for provision of weapons to fight the militants NOT for military offensive at first. The demand was made to the Federal Government of Mr Zardari. But do you know to the surprise of many the Federal government despite repeated demands refuse to provide the weapons/guns. So at last the Provincial Govt went to Governor NWFP and requested him. And upon the request and efforts of the good governor the 5000 guns were provided by the Army for NWFP law enforcment personnel for fighting against militants in SWAT.

And mind you i am not telling this on the basis of any information from third party but i was witness to this in a direct meeting with concerned person.




Army is subservient to the civilian government in practical terms. We all know what happened when the Interior Minister tried to revamp the ISI reporting mechanism. :)

The ISI had always been under the PM now if your Rehman Malik who's role is already compromised, tried to bring the ISI reporting machanism under president Zardari then indeed its more than harmful for Pakistan.
 
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Alllow me to burst the bubble of your personal account from your PPP friends :) The NWFP government demand time and again for provision of weapons to fight the militants NOT for military offensive at first. The demand was made to the Federal Government of Mr Zardari. But do you know to the surprise of many the Federal government despite repeated demands refuse to provide the weapons/guns. So at last the Provincial Govt went to Governor NWFP and requested him. And upon the request and efforts of the good governor the 5000 guns were provided by the Army for NWFP law enforcment personnel for fighting against militants in SWAT.

And mind you i am not telling this on the basis of any information from third party but i was witness to this in a direct meeting with concerned person.

Interesting yet laughable notion - given the non military law enforcement's poor training and track record. The implication being that simply giving guns to the NWFP law enforcement personnel would have taken care of the problem.


Why did the Army finally get involved if it was apparently that easy for NWFP law enforcement personnel to take care of the Taliban in Swat?? Post - Nizam Adl , the military could've simply given the NWFP government " 5000 guns" and sat on the sidelines while the NWFP govt. did the job- but they did'nt - did they? :)
 
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Interesting yet laughable notion - given the non military law enforcement's poor training and track record. The implication being that simply giving guns to the NWFP law enforcement personnel would have taken care of the problem.


Why did the Army finally get involved if it was apparently that easy for NWFP law enforcement personnel to take care of the Taliban in Swat?? Post - Nizam Adl , the military could've simply given the NWFP government " 5000 guns" and sat on the sidelines while the NWFP govt. did the job- but they did'nt - did they? :)

No one said that providing weapons was going to solve years of taliban hold, but just that this was what the sarhad government had asked for. Launching a military operation in one's own country is not a joke and neither should the decision be taken lightly.
 
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I disagree that the ANP government asked for the military assistance, unless there is a record of the provincial government or Federal Government specifically issuing orders to the military to initiate military operations against the militants and calling for an end to the peace negotiations and ceasefire, before the initiation of the latest operation.

Opinion pieces in the media do not count - a decision like that would have been recorded in the media as the provincial or federal government announcing their decision to initiate military operations, as was the case after the Nizam-e-Adl peace deal collapsed.

Nor does your assertion makes sense since in your earlier posts you praised gen. Kiyani for his stance and policies. Gen. Kiyani was also COAS during 2008, and it is simply ludicrous to suggest that his subordinates would be able to refuse to act upon a government order (and therefore also an order from military superiors to act in accordance with the government order) to initiate operations.

I'd like to address your assertions included above.

Regarding the ANP Request

Unfortunately, I don't have access to government paperwork. :) However, as I mentioned before, several people in the PPP circle who are known to me have confirmed the account. You may choose to disregard that as you don't know me.

More importantly, I'm sure you'd agree that not all interaction between civilian and military entities takes place in a formalized manner with letters flying back and forth. It could've been a case of the political leadership paying an informal visit to a military general's house to have dinner or discuss the matter over a cup of tea.

Why the provincial government did'nt want to publicize the matter is probably due to their desire to stay on good terms with the military establishment. Given a lack of options, they foolishy decided to strike a Faustian deal with the thugs in Swat.

Regarding General Kiyani and his subordinates

Firstly, the military is not a monolithic entity. It is reasonable to assume that, not unlike the political domain, there are various lobbies entrenched in the military setup. I have no doubt about General Kiyani's leadership and good intentions.

However, Gen Kiyani is neither a magician nor a one-man band.

Every leader of an organization takes TIME to consolidate control and build a sufficient support base. General Kiyani has most likely spent all of 2008 and the early part of 2009 doing just that - and perhaps the successful operation in Swat is a result of those very efforts. The fact that Gen Kiyani took over the reins one fine day does'nt guarantee that all his subordinates will start singing from the same hymn sheet the day after. They may do so in public but it might be a different story behind closed doors. Change does'nt happen overnight.

Most people would agree that the Army Chief has to build sufficient level of consensus among his subordinates to be able to function effectively.

- Musharraf mentioned on several occasions,that despite his efforts in 2003 and 2004, the folks in the Army were simply not ready to talk peace with India as mapped out by Musharraf's efforts at the time. So obviously, he was unable to move forward without sufficient support from his subordinates. Just because the Army Chief wants it so does'nt make it so.

Moreover , all subordinates showing complete loyalty to the Army Chief is not a given.

- Musharraf was attacked several times in 2003; Clearly there were insiders leaking information about his whereabouts. Last time I checked the air force technicians(later arrested) are not naturally privy to the motorcade movements of the Army Chief!

- In 2007, the Lal Masjid thugs were able to amass a huge stockpile of weapons in a mosque that was a mere stone's throw from the ISI HQ. Do you really believe they could have pulled that off in the heart of the capital without help from establishment insiders? The fact that the rascal cleric Abdul Aziz later recounted in an interview how a ' friend from within the establishment' gave him a heads up about the impending special ops action, offers another clue in this regard. Clearly this establishment insider was not on the same page as his Army chief, and most likely not the only one humming a different tune.

It is best to analyse the pattern of events as opposed to simply viewing relevant events in isolation from each other.
 
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You're talking as if BM was created out of thin air by Zia-ul-Haq. The Soviet war, tribal culture, imported arab ideas, CIA cash etc. created people like BM. No one is ignoring the military's role since its common knowledge, but there's also something known as beating a dead horse. I suggest you focus your energy on solutions.

What solution ? do you think use of power is a solution?

Always prevention is better then cure

We have defeated terrorists but to win the heart of local people we need much more efforts.

Do you think our failed justice system and corrupt civil servent provide them any relief?

I dont think any political party leader could think to enter in SWAT region.

We need to focus our rural areas and their development otherwise terrorism and extremisim could again get support of oppressed majority of rural areas of Pakistan.
 
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What solution ? do you think use of power is a solution?

Always prevention is better then cure

We have defeated terrorists but to win the heart of local people we need much more efforts.

Do you think our failed justice system and corrupt civil servent provide them any relief?

I dont think any political party leader could think to enter in SWAT region.

We need to focus our rural areas and their development otherwise terrorism and extremisim could again get support of oppressed majority of rural areas of Pakistan.
It's a little too late for prevention now. It may have worked if people like you were not following hand and hand in the footsteps of Zia-ul-Haq in creating these groups in the first place.

Now it's time to drain the swamp and kill the mosquitoes like BM one by one. It will take time, but no one said that it's only a military solution, since there is a civil and political component involved as well. But first step is to militarily defeat all the terrorist groups like TTP, BLA and MQM.
 
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It's a little too late for prevention now. It may have worked if people like you were not following hand and hand in the footsteps of Zia-ul-Haq in creating these groups in the first place.

Now it's time to drain the swamp and kill the mosquitoes like BM one by one. It will take time, but no one said that it's only a military solution, since there is a civil and political component involved as well. But first step is to militarily defeat all the terrorist groups like TTP, BLA and MQM.

haha - lets give our friend Fundamentalist the benefit of the doubt - he means well. Having said that his earlier post on another thread explicitly linking the causes for extremism to 'music not being haram' was a bit bizzare to say the least. However, I'm sure he has grown to appreciate my response to that post. :)
 
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