IR1907
FULL MEMBER
- Joined
- Jul 12, 2014
- Messages
- 560
- Reaction score
- -6
- Country
- Location
Russia is way more reliable than America.only an idiot will trust Russian in this field ...
Follow along with the video below to see how to install our site as a web app on your home screen.
Note: This feature may not be available in some browsers.
Russia is way more reliable than America.only an idiot will trust Russian in this field ...
No. Since when has Russia invaded other country on pretext of WMD's and killed thousands of civilians in the process ?هر دو شون سر و ته یک کرباسن ...
Israel now warning Russia that it will arm Ukraine if S-300 will be exportet to Iran
No, its the Almaz-Antey S-300PMU2 Favorit
Almaz-Antey S-300PMU2 Favorit / SA-20 Gargoyle / СамоходныйЗенитный Ракетный Комплекс С-300ПМУ2 «Фаворит»
Technical Notes
The S-300PMU2 Favorit is a direct evolution of the S-300PMU1, that in turn having evolved from the S-300PM / SA-20A variants, which were a deep redesign of the self-propelled S-300PS / SA-10B.
The system became a platform for a series of technology insertion upgrades, most of which became production features in the subsequent S-400 Triumf, which was initially designated as the S-300PMU3.
But the technological gap between this and S-400 is minimal i think.
The question is how badly the iran version will be aggravated to the domestical russian version.
We know the chinese PMU-2 is 30-40% less effective than russian one.
Iran version will be same, 30-40% less effective.
But as we know Iranian engineers, they own algorytms/subsystems/operational systems/radars/ and and and..... this 30-40% effectivness gap will be reduced to 0!
So even if Iran will get the 30-40% less effective PMU-2, after upgrading it by iranian engineers, it will be same affective as the S-400 chinese will get from russia.
Yeah these BS can't be belived too...Here's another cheap debating tactic.Why do you say the last 50 years why not in the last 100 years. Who created فرقه دموکرات آذربایجان or Azerbaijan's democratic party ? During the 8 years war according to the most conservative estimates 85 percent of Iraqi weaponry was Russian made. It only takes a Google search to find out about Russia's military support for Saddam hussein. Turkamanchai agreement and Gulestan were all imposed on Iran by the Russians. Who took the 17 cities in Caucasus that are today Azarbaijan armenia goergia chechnya and daghestan from Iran?? Yep Russia.Since 2006, In all UN security council resolutions Russians voted against Iran. The most brutal resolution was resolution 1929 passed by an overwhelming majority ( Russia included). A couple of years ago I heard from an Iranian air force general that Russia has refused to provide IRIAF with mig-29 spare parts since 2002. Where is the Shafagh Project? Oh that s right the Russians blew the deal. How about tor-m1. Oh yes that right the Russians sold the radar codes to the Israelis.
Such a good friend
Lol - Jews gonna provide billions of dollars of weapons for free?
Let them...Israel now warning Russia that it will arm Ukraine if S-300 will be exportet to Iran
So funny bro the to the last screw.yes i can promise you they will be all opened to the last screw
like TOR M1 was first to check and have good understanding of it and to make sure Russians are not put something which it should not be there
No. Since when has Russia invaded other country on pretext of WMD's and killed thousands of civilians in the process ?
Since when has Russia imposed sanctions on Iran that affected Iranian peoples lives ? Since when has Russia been a troublemaker for Iran during the last 50 years ?
We need to side with Russia against US imperialism.
let me ask you a question. Are you a follower of Dr Mossadegh? Do you like his ideas of Secularism and Nationalism. It is so intresting to see Mullas and their folowers always complaining about The 1953 coup while under their own rule for 36 years Dr Mossadegh's party has been banned, his followers are either in jail or exiled. United states was not alone it was jointly handled with the british. United states was the second actor. A coup deta is much better than attacking a country and then annexing its territories. That coup deta government was overthrown by the people of Iran in 1979 but Azerbaijan and Armenia. They are gone for ever. Never ever can we get them back. you tell me which one was a greater harm. United States also sold weapons to the Regime during Iran-contra. I can give you sources where even Israelis sold Iran weapons.
compared to the Soviet union and the arab states, america's role in Iran-Iraq war was minimal. Usually it was limited to providing intelligenece and international support. The fact remains that 85% of Saddam Hussein's weapons were coming from Russia, his chemical weapons were coming from BASF company in Germany. How was he buying it? well with the mass financial assets of the arab states. What are we gonna do now? sever our ties with all arabs countries? sever out ties with Germany because of BASF. Sever our ties with the Russians? were Americans and Russians the only ones who harmed Iran. If we go back further into History, we can see harms done by the Portuguese as well. The remains of other European powers can be found in cities like bushehr and bandar abbas. We have to move on. The united states dropped an atomic bomb on Japan. British colonized India for hundreds of years. Today Japan makes an annual export of 8 to 12 million automobiles to US. India has billions of Dollars of Trade with the United Kingdom. we can not remain in the past. The future goes beyond that. we are not the only nation with grievances.
Here's another cheap debating tactic.Why do you say the last 50 years why not in the last 100 years. Who created فرقه دموکرات آذربایجان or Azerbaijan's democratic party ? During the 8 years war according to the most conservative estimates 85 percent of Iraqi weaponry was Russian made. It only takes a Google search to find out about Russia's military support for Saddam hussein. Turkamanchai agreement and Gulestan were all imposed on Iran by the Russians. Who took the 17 cities in Caucasus that are today Azarbaijan armenia goergia chechnya and daghestan from Iran?? Yep Russia.Since 2006, In all UN security council resolutions Russians voted against Iran. The most brutal resolution was resolution 1929 passed by an overwhelming majority ( Russia included). A couple of years ago I heard from an Iranian air force general that Russia has refused to provide IRIAF with mig-29 spare parts since 2002. Where is the Shafagh Project? Oh that s right the Russians blew the deal. How about tor-m1. Oh yes that right the Russians sold the radar codes to the Israelis.
Such a good friend
Thats past, that was the Soviet union, what is now left of the Soviets ''Russian federation'' is much more pragmatic and absolutely no threat to Iran.really !? you just need to reread history ... I'm not talking about Qajarieh , just re read WWII and the Azerbaijan chaos and then main supporter of Khalgh groups ...
well , just you forget some simple fact , in past 50 years , your country ( USA ) was and still is our main enemy ( Iran ) ...
when I said , "we shouldn't Trust Russians" , that wasn't mean " We should trust USA instead of Russia " ... so don't get excited ....
just in military cases :
really , Russia is the same , no UNSC resolution banned selling "Air Defence System" to Iran but they didn't sell it to us after we paid the money ....
no resolution banned to sell Mig 29 sprat part to Iran in 1995-2003 but they didn't ....
they put tracking devices in Kilo class submarines when they sold it to us and we didn't knew this till we asked them to overhaul it for us and they refused and then we were forced to do it by ourselves ....
they just want to use us as a card in their game with west .... only fools will let themselves to be used as a card ....
unfortunately , there are too many Iranians like you and I'm sure we will just repeat the history because some of Iranians don't want to learn from it ...
Thank god that Iranian leaders are not emotional as you
...Iran is one of the best policy maker....Don't forget that bro..just,Keep watching..I'm sure Russia won't sell it to us unless they become aware that we can produce the same or better system ...