New US strategy excludes Pakistan

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

But the report says: "within South Asia". Therefore, exclusion of Pakistan is obvious.

We are definitely more Middle Eastern as our future is across the sea and to our North and West. We also are Central Asian.

I think a new term needs to be made for our location and other similar countries in our cultural (Turco-Persian) and geopolitical region: Southwest Asia. Ideally it should include Turkey, Iran, Pakistan, Azerbaijan, and Afghanistan.

Fellows, there is a big reason Pakistan was excluded. The reason is that no US policy has actually worked on Pakistan. This is the reality. Every tactics US used, it was countered by Pakistan. US tried using India by asking India to air strike on Pakistan. But Pakistan countered attacked india and brutally smashed india on 27 Feb. US was not expecting such a bashing. US realised it was dealing with a new reality.

So now US will come up with an entirely separate and special strategy to deal with Pakistan because till now all US moves have been unsuccessful.

I am sensing a great deal of frustration, anger, and resentment whenever Pakistan, Turkey, or Iran are mentioned to Americans.

They are having a very difficult time recognizing that we are not their slaves anymore. It is making their emotions and policies more erratic and self-destructive, causing them to make more and more mistakes against us.

 

[nahtanbob]

LOL keep dreaming buddy.

that is not a dream. that is a fact. pakistan is under US Central Command. India is under Asia-Pacific command

 

[shahbaz baig]

that is not a dream. that is a fact. pakistan is under US Central Command. India is under Asia-Pacific command

It does not matter for us, what do you think about Pakistan, every U.S policy against specifically for Pakistan will be countered and US would get delays to achieve their other objectives, and it's open challenge from my side.
We don't like to poke nose in every matter but if you poke the nose even mistakenly you are going to regret. It's up to you either take my words 'chest thumping " or as universal truth. Only time will tell you what I just said.

 

[nahtanbob]

It does not matter for us, what do you think about Pakistan, every U.S policy against specifically for Pakistan will be countered and US would get delays to achieve their other objectives, and it's open challenge from my side.
We don't like to poke nose in every matter but if you poke the nose even mistakenly you are going to regret. It's up to you either take my words 'chest thumping " or as universal truth. Only time will tell you what I just said.

i would think you would be happy not being grouped with india

 

[shahbaz baig]

i would think you would be happy not being grouped with india

As far Pakistan concern for India. It seems you & other members too unable to understand state policy of pakistan. In short Pakistan also wants good relationship with India. Kartarpur corridor, sending captured indian pilot without any condition, Pakistan prime minister congratulated to modi for his election victory. These are sign of building good relationship. But unfortunately India is not interested, so it's her choice.

I personally don't like few policies of current Govt of pakistan. Because if India is not willing to strengthen the good relation then current Govt should not behave politely & nicely.

OR

If USA is not willing to understand the current policy of pakistan then Pakistan should allow Chinese naval & forces presence in Indian ocean.

 

[nahtanbob]

As far Pakistan concern for India. It seems you & other members too unable to understand state policy of pakistan. In short Pakistan also wants good relationship with India.

OR

If USA is not willing to understand the current policy of pakistan then Pakistan should allow Chinese naval & forces presence in Indian ocean.

This is how outsiders look at Pakistan
Pakistan is strapped for cash and laden with debt in the short to intermediate term
Pakistani state still in cahoots with various armed movements

USA or India are in no mood to give the Pakistani state especially the Pakistani army any bargaining power

Pakistan can allow China. It is your internal business. The real question is whether China takes the Pakistani offer. if they take the pakistani offer what are the terms and conditions ? Knowing the Chinese China will extract their pound of flesh

 

[Foxtrot Delta]

If united states ignores a country , take it as a blessing, enemity with united states is dangerous, but friendship or alliance with united states is worse!

Stay away keep ur distance from menace of united states.

Also best supporters and friends of china in the whole world live in pakistan. So naturally they have no option but to ignore us. China is more than a friend. Its a strategic neighbour . with 80 years of common interests and regional goals. Usa can't compete with china when it comes to pakistan or central asia.

 

[shahbaz baig]

This is how outsiders look at Pakistan
Pakistan is strapped for cash and laden with debt in the short to intermediate term
Pakistani state still in cahoots with various armed movements

USA or India are in no mood to give the Pakistani state especially the Pakistani army any bargaining power

Pakistan can allow China. It is your internal business. The real question is whether China takes the Pakistani offer. if they take the pakistani offer what are the terms and conditions ? Knowing the Chinese China will extract their pound of flesh

If outsider look pakistan as you said then outsider needs vision to rightly observe Pakistan state policies, not observation what other members are saying on any social media network.

It's China who would like to build one of Chinese naval base in Indian ocean, it's currently Pakistan who is not interested yet. And the term & condition will be the same as US naval base policies in other countries. It will be done If USA really lack vision regarding Pakistan current state policies which is to ensure balance among other powers, economical growth & prosperity.

Suggestion
Pakistan state & strategical policies are always designed with the willingness of both Pak-Army & Govt. USA should think about current state policies of Pakistan & should not exclude Pakistan regarding USA's investment in Pakistan for economical growth.

 

[nahtanbob]

It's China who would like to build one of Chinese naval base in Indian ocean, it's currently Pakistan who is not interested yet. And the term & condition will be the same as US naval base policies in other countries.

China is not that foolish. If there is a base it will be hard to kick them out. there is a reason CPEC details are confidential

You can look at Hambontota
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magampura_Mahinda_Rajapaksa_Port

USA is open to doing business with everyone. China is our largest trading partner

 

[shahbaz baig]

China is not that foolish. If there is a base it will be hard to kick them out. there is a reason CPEC details are confidential

You can look at Hambontota
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magampura_Mahinda_Rajapaksa_Port

USA is open to doing business with everyone. China is our largest trading partner

Why China is unable to build Chinese naval base in Pakistan? The truth answer because of Pakistan. Don't compare Pakistan with sri Lanka.

 

[nahtanbob]

Why China is unable to build Chinese naval base in Pakistan? The truth answer because of Pakistan. Don't compare Pakistan with sri Lanka.

When the Chinese want their pound of flesh they will get it. I expect Pakistanis to haggle on the costs
how much should a Pakistani naval base cost China ?

 

[shahbaz baig]

When the Chinese want their pound of flesh they will get it. I expect Pakistanis to haggle on the costs

When Pakistan don't want to give up specific thing no power on earth can fulfill their wanting wish.

 

[nahtanbob]

When Pakistan don't want to give up specific thing no power on earth can fulfill their wanting wish.

you dodged the question on how much should China pay
Uncle Sam is not paying most countries for military bases

 

[shahbaz baig]

how much should a Pakistani naval base cost China ?

Do you really expect me to answer this sensitive & secret matter, OK tell me first what's USA's clandestine operation for Iranian missiles. You should not be shocked Pakistan already know about it. Indirectly it's your country responsibility to know what Pakistan is going to do in case of further exploiting internal issues of Pakistan.

 

[nahtanbob]

Do you really expect me to answer this sensitive & secret matter, OK tell me first what's USA's clandestine operation for Iranian missiles. You should not be shocked Pakistan already know about it. Indirectly it's your country responsibility to know what Pakistan is going to do in case of further scapegoating.

This is your quote "And the term & condition will be the same as US naval base policies in other countries."

If you want the same terms as USA from China USA does not pay Qatar, Bahrain, Oman, Singapore, Japan, South Korea, Australia, UK, Germany for military bases.

There is nothing sensitive or secret. China will not allow Pakistan to use their Chinese naval base as a bargaining chip with India or USA.

There is a good reason your CPEC contracts are secret and the IMF is giving you petty $3 billion loans when your friend is sitting on $3 trillion in FOREX reserves