New US base in Australia to counter China

[Project 627]

PRESIDENT Barack Obama is to announce that the US will begin rotating marines through an Australian base in Darwin in a permanent new military presence, intensifying the alliance in a sign of heightened concern about China.

He is scheduled to make the announcement with Prime Minister Julia Gillard when they visit Darwin together next Thursday during Mr Obama's first visit to Australia as President.
The 26-hour visit will mark the 60th anniversary of the ANZUS alliance.
The marines are the chief US ground combat force in the Pacific theatre, the so-called ''tip of the spear''.

Two-thirds of all American marines are based in the Pacific, with big concentrations at US bases on Okinawa Island, Japan, and in Guam, a US territory 2000 kilometres north of Papua New Guinea.

''This is all about the rise of China, the modernisation of the People's Liberation Army and, particularly, it's about the increased vulnerability of US forces in Japan and Guam to the new generation of Chinese missiles,'' said Alan Dupont, the Michael Hintze professor of international security at Sydney University.

''The new Chinese missiles could threaten them in a way they've never been able to before, so the US is starting to reposition them to make them less vulnerable. Australia's 'tyranny of distance' is now a distinct strategic advantage.''

Professor Dupont, a former Australian Defence official and intelligence analyst, said the ''Australian strategic rationale is that we are also hedging against increasing Chinese military power and their capacity to destabilise maritime trade routes. And we want to get closer to the US.
''There's no doubt at all the Chinese will have serious reservations about this.''

Mr Obama and Ms Gillard are not expected to argue that China is a factor in the decision. ''This is a strong gesture that even in the face of budget constraints, the US reaction to the winding down of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan deployment is not to go home but to pivot'' into the Asia-Pacific, said Jim Steinberg, former deputy secretary of state in the Obama administration.
But Hugh White, a professor of strategic studies at the Australian National University and a former Defence Department
official said the decision would have deep consequences for Australia's relations with China. ''I think this is a very significant and potentially very risky move for Australia,'' Professor White said.
''In the view from Beijing, everything the US is doing in the western Pacific is designed to bolster resistance to the Chinese challenge to US primacy.
''In Washington and in Beijing, this will be seen as Australia aligning itself with an American strategy to contain China.''

Mr Obama and Ms Gillard are expected to say the US will not build a new base for the marines but will use the Robertson Barracks, the existing Australian base near Darwin.
But the base is home to about 4500 Australian soldiers and has capacity for only a couple of hundred more.
The facilities will need to be expanded to accommodate the US marines, whose numbers are expected to build.
Such a decision has been under consideration for some years. The marines are to use the base for training. ''They want to be able to fly helicopters, drop out of planes and shoot at things, and you can't do that in crowded Okinawa,'' according to Mike Green, a former top Asia adviser in the George W. Bush administration.

The Greens oppose any expansion of the US military presence in Australia. By using an existing Australian base rather than building a new US one, the Pentagon considers the new presence will be more ''politically sustainable''.

The then US defence secretary, Robert Gates, said last November in Melbourne: ''We don't want to do things that would be politically difficult for the Australian government. We want to enhance the alliance, not create controversy.''


Obama to announce US marine base in Darwin

 

[Determined Tiger]

so what if they have money to do so, who care!?

oh well, even Australia don't like india, is this a good sign of succeed? wow Americans are so eager to fix the relation between aussie and indi!!!

but hey, more than that, nobody cares but why should an amernian care? or just a pleasing to someone jealous to China? oh but wait, does China have any conflict with "viva" amernia these days? oh not really, just because some russian sockpuppet wanna show it loyalty to it master!

happy???

 

[somebozo]

Obama and Hillary have both gone nuts..daily conflicting reports in the Media..sign of sinking empire!

 

[china hyperpower]

US is now getting really worried. lol.

we will see, a barking dog never bites.

trying to contain the PLA is like trying to swim against an incoming tsunami.
in a few years the chinese military capabilities will significantly increase as new high tech weapons come into operation.
chinese economy is growing and chinese defence budget is growing.

china can force the US to over spend on military to further weaken them as their economy stagnates.

trying to fight a rising power with rising wealth is very difficult especially when the established power is economically and militarily overstrecthed. they will hve to contain china with diminishing military budget and stagnant economy over the next 2 decades.

china is now at a point militarily the US wont be able to defeat the PLA as easily as the americans thought before.
the gap is closing and the cost of going to war with china is rising, this means the US is less likely to take on the PLA in the future.

 

[Fantasy]

Minimal threat to China, potentially a huge threat to countries like Indonesia, and South East Asia.

 

[Hafizzz]

US is now getting really worried. lol.

we will see, a barking dog never bites.

trying to contain the PLA is like trying to swim against an incoming tsunami.
in a few years the chinese military capabilities will significantly increase as new high tech weapons come into operation.
chinese economy is growing and chinese defence budget is growing.

china can force the US to over spend on military to further weaken them as their economy stagnates.

trying to fight a rising power with rising wealth is very difficult especially when the established power is economically and militarily overstrecthed. they will hve to contain china with diminishing military budget and stagnant economy over the next 2 decades.

china is now at a point militarily the US wont be able to defeat the PLA as easily as the americans thought before.
the gap is closing and the cost of going to war with china is rising, this means the US is less likely to take on the PLA in the future.

China should just sell all her holding on US Treasury Bonds. And when USA has no more money to operate the Military Base in Australia then she will pack up and leave.

 

[Determined Tiger]

Minimal threat to China, potentially a huge threat to countries like Indonesia, and South East Asia.

vietnam is having a full red face of embarrassment now, they used to dream of lending their naval base to USN 4 protection!!!

this is like a big slap from USA to vietnam, it is clearly a message: "No thank, we don't want a damn business with commie viets!"

 

[Viva_Viet]

Minimal threat to China, potentially a huge threat to countries like Indonesia, and South East Asia.

Yep, I think US base in Australia is used to counter VN , bcz they just give us the right to enrich uranium, that can make Nuke bomb , our army is also get stronger , and we have SCALAR ELECTROMAGNETIC WEAPONS like USSR-USA too .

Haizz, but we never dream too far like this, unify ASEAN is enough for us , we just wanna get strong enough to counter CHina

vietnam is having a full red face of embarrassment now, they used to dream of lending their naval base to USN 4 protection!!!

this is like a big slap from USA to vietnam, it is clearly a message: "No thank, we don't want a damn business with commie viets!"

Hehe, that means US agree with VN about unifying ASEAN, but VN must hand off Aussie , tha's all

 

[Kevrai]

US bases in Australia ruled out

The federal government has reaffirmed plans to step up joint training and military exercises with the US but ruled out the establishment of a Marine Corps base in Australia.

Prime Minister Julia Gillard and US President Barack Obama and are expected to unveil details for greater cooperation between their two countries' forces when the American leader visits next week.

The visit, which includes a speech to a joint sitting of parliament in Canberra and a brief sojourn with Australian troops in the Northern Territory, comes as the two nations mark the 60th anniversary of the ANZUS treaty.

Defence Minister Stephen Smith on Friday dismissed talk Mr Obama would announce an increased rotation of US marine forces through Darwin, a gateway to Asia, as part of a planned permanent new military presence in the Asia-Pacific region.

"There are no United States bases in Australia and no proposal for such bases," Mr Smith said in a statement.

Australia is a crucial link in the Pentagon's so-called global force posture review, which Mr Smith said will lead to an expansion of joint training and exercises in Australia.

"Our starting point is that it would be an unambiguously good thing to extend such practical cooperation arrangements," Mr Smith said.

In Hawaii, Foreign Minister Kevin Rudd urged patience, as defence experts warned that some Asian nations such as China may be concerned by news of a US base in Darwin.

"It's important that we await the president's visit before confirming any particular elements of what that defence cooperation may entail," he told reporters attending an APEC forum.

"Australia has always been transparent with all countries in the region about the importance of this alliance to us and to the broader security of the region."

Australian Greens leader Bob Brown said any proposal for a US base should be debated by parliament.

"The proposal for Darwin needs to be clearly qualified and quantified by the Gillard government," he said in a statement.

The Greens want to end foreign troop deployment, training and hosting on Australian territory.

Mr Rudd said the Greens do not direct Australia's national security or foreign policy.

"These matters are matters of fundamental national interest in which we, as the Australian government, engage in the deepest analysis and consideration," he said.

US forces have been visiting this country's shores since as far back as 1907 and using Australian facilities for 60 years.

Marines have for years been involved in rotations of up to several months at a time through Australian Defence Forces bases, including Darwin.

About two-thirds of the force is based in the Pacific, including Okinawa.

US Defence Secretary Leon Panetta has said his goal is to maintain a strong American presence and ensure nations in the region understand "we are there to stay".

Opposition defence spokesman David Johnston said the coalition supported enhanced US access to Australian military bases.

"The US is the bedrock of global security and a major force for stability in the Asia-Pacific region," the senator said.

Recent AUSMIN talks between Australian and US defence and foreign affairs ministers agreed to a strengthened military relationship.
Mr Obama arrives in Australia on Wednesday and will address a special sitting of parliament on Thursday before heading to Darwin with Ms Gillard.

US bases in Australia ruled out - Yahoo!7

 

[anon45]

vietnam is having a full red face of embarrassment now, they used to dream of lending their naval base to USN 4 protection!!!

this is like a big slap from USA to vietnam, it is clearly a message: "No thank, we don't want a damn business with commie viets!"

Redfaced?

 

[Luftwaffe]

US is now getting really worried. lol.

we will see, a barking dog never bites.

trying to contain the PLA is like trying to swim against an incoming tsunami.
in a few years the chinese military capabilities will significantly increase as new high tech weapons come into operation.
chinese economy is growing and chinese defence budget is growing.

china can force the US to over spend on military to further weaken them as their economy stagnates.

trying to fight a rising power with rising wealth is very difficult especially when the established power is economically and militarily overstrecthed. they will hve to contain china with diminishing military budget and stagnant economy over the next 2 decades.

china is now at a point militarily the US wont be able to defeat the PLA as easily as the americans thought before.
the gap is closing and the cost of going to war with china is rising, this means the US is less likely to take on the PLA in the future.

One of many problems US faces is Chinese investment in equally superior weapons & systems which only US can afford to invest and develop that is a worrisome news for US.

Next almost most of the Asian Block and Russian & Central Asian Block backs China, even india wouldn't want US in the region solely because of the rising economy of india quiet slim chances US can gain victorious ground against China. US making friends with vietnamese, philippines, thailand is not a major concern; japanese and south koreans are factor but non wants to ruin its economy just for American ambitions finally someday japanese will have to tell US to leave let us live in peace as an independent entity. Slowly US empire is fading away in a decade or so it would transform with the only single reason how long soldiers would spend their entire life on other islands and lands they want to go home they want to switch occupations. The more jobless the more pressure on US. US is hell bent to destroy the economy of its neighbor Canada & itself as well along its way for its ambitious falling empire, God knows why does US need a number of unwanted projects, I can only see them trying to depict like the Germans in pre WW II and during the WWII only to find themselves never to use it, Now tell me about it for the past 62 Years US has never fought against a superior Adversary and never will non of them China or Russians wants War they want peace and better economy but they Can, you can not force and create a War on deception and Drama you will only find your self blown to pieces this time around someday US will face MAD even though the Adversaries wouldn't want it but perhaps for a long century long peace getting rid of US could be the only option sending back US to the time of 16th Century I hope that day doesn't come for anyone.

 

[lem34]

Americans are going to borrow money from China so they can build bases to contain china. yea rite.

 

[gambit]

US is now getting really worried. lol.

Not at all.

we will see, a barking dog never bites.

Which military has more combat experience?

trying to contain the PLA is like trying to swim against an incoming tsunami.

The Iraqis learned the very hard way that trying to meet the US military is very much like swimming against an incoming tsunami. Supposedly the PLA published a report for the Chinese Politburo saying how much casualties the US would meet in Iraq. The PLA had to withdrew that report. Care to guess why?

in a few years the chinese military capabilities will significantly increase as new high tech weapons come into operation.

Meaningless statement.

chinese economy is growing and chinese defence budget is growing.

Another meaningless statement.

china can force the US to over spend on military to further weaken them as their economy stagnates.

Stagnates does not mean decline. Already there are signs the US economy is recovering.

trying to fight a rising power with rising wealth is very difficult especially when the established power is economically and militarily overstrecthed. they will hve to contain china with diminishing military budget and stagnant economy over the next 2 decades.

If we are overstretched, it mean we have far more experienced at deployment and waging war at our most capable than the PLA has. One does not know one's true capabilities unless one strains one's self to the limits. Guess the only thing so far the PLA strained is its vocal cord barking at Taiwan.

china is now at a point militarily the US wont be able to defeat the PLA as easily as the americans thought before.

Perhaps not as easily than before. But will defeat nevertheless.

the gap is closing and the cost of going to war with china is rising, this means the US is less likely to take on the PLA in the future.

Another meaningless statement. So what if the gap is closing? What about how wide is that gap in the first place? Or what is the rate of that 'closing'?

 

[Whazzup]

Americans are going to borrow money from China so they can build bases to contain china. yea rite.

China is investing money in India too does that mean they are giving us money to use it against them only comon buddy there's a differance in investment and simply giving something.

 

[Whazzup]

Not at all.


Which military has more combat experience?


The Iraqis learned the very hard way that trying to meet the US military is very much like swimming against an incoming tsunami. Supposedly the PLA published a report for the Chinese Politburo saying how much casualties the US would meet in Iraq. The PLA had to withdrew that report. Care to guess why?
Meaningless statement.
Another meaningless statement.
Stagnates does not mean decline. Already there are signs the US economy is recovering.
If we are overstretched, it mean we have far more experienced at deployment and waging war at our most capable than the PLA has. One does not know one's true capabilities unless one strains one's self to the limits. Guess the only thing so far the PLA strained is its vocal cord barking at Taiwan.
Perhaps not as easily than before. But will defeat nevertheless.
Another meaningless statement. So what if the gap is closing? What about how wide is that gap in the first place? Or what is the rate of that 'closing'?

GAMBIT
Sir this guy China Hyperpower is just a fanboy he always post stuff like that you are just wasting your time responding to him.

On topic CAN us USE f35 FROM THIS BASE.