New tidings For AfPak

[A-Team]

You know about junoon?

I was listening to them yesterday, actually the song Sayonee

I think we all need to listen to the song, the region needs it.

 

[!eon]

Leave the history aside, as for the peaceful future, only solution lies in complete closure of Pak-Afghan border. Do you agree ?

@A-Team no answer means no you don't agree with that

So what's your solutions, have you people got any ? other than abusing Pakistan ?
You don't want to close the border, so you want movement of terrorists in and out ? and abusing Pakistan for that at same time ?

This clearly shows who has thief in heart.

 

[defence_analyst]

Did you read the article?

It is cool for Islamic Pakistan to deal with Godless communist/Buddhist China and give them military bases but its not halal for Afghans to deal with Christians aka the people of the book

Not cool trolling mate.

Pakistan isn't occupied like Afghanistan, does Islam forbid to do business with non-muslims?

 

[Indus Pakistan]

I think

Not seen you around for some time. Hoping your in fine fettle. About the Af-Pak region. You pehaps know I was rather ambivalent about Afghanistan and the posture Pakistan takes. I was also a American apologist. My position has changed. The fact is there is no way forward that I can see. I support 100% mining, fencing, securing the border and then a robust military posture toward Afghanistan. Even going as far as war if neccessary. I think US has badly miscalculated Pak. With China rising fast and investing serious amount of money [over $100 billion] the future looks fine for Pakistan. It would have been fine if Afghanistan could have been a partner but that is not going to happen. There is absolute hate in Afghanistan against Pakistan. It will take a war or another two generations to release that hate. There comes a time you know it is over and I think for Pakistan it has arrived.

The perversity of the US position can be seen in how they expect India to take the lead in Kabul. Right? Okay. And you want Pakistan to roll over and play happy familes? Would USA allow a pro-Russian government in Mexico City? And then on top of that want Russia to take centre stage in Mexico City? Not on yer nelly.

Time for talking is over.

 

[TMA]

Did you read the article?

It is cool for Islamic Pakistan to deal with Godless communist/Buddhist China and give them military bases but its not halal for Afghans to deal with Christians aka the people of the book

Not cool trolling mate.

Afghanistan was INVADED by NATO and then NATO created a government in Kabul which "allied" itself with NATO. This is in contradistinction to Pakistan's relationship with China; where has China INVADED Pakistan and then CREATED a government which then "allied" itself?

Apples and oranges.

And please do not try to convince me or other non Afghans; it would behove you to rather convince those compatriots of yours who see NATO as INVADERS and those Afghans who "allied"/colluded with NATO as TRAITORS.

By the way Pakistan is not Islamic, so please don't insult Islam. (I know that it is the official name but how I wish they would remove it).

You provided Americans with bases to bomb the shit out of Afghanistan because it suited, you sold fellow muslims, Pakistanis, Afghans and others for monetary benefits ( Musharraf talked about it in his book).

If you are looking for morality in our part of the world, then you are sadly mistaken my friend

The fact of the matter is that Pakistan is doing business with Afghan blood and it will only stop when the Afghan state becomes strong and make Pakistan pay for it. Sorry if I sound a bit harsh but just stating the facts.

/peace



I like your picture, Junoon was a great group.

Oh how you have a short term memory. Who was it who started aggression? Who was it who commenced the support for insurgencies? Who was who did not accept the existence of the other?

Afghanistan will be stable and prosperous, if she swallows her national arrogance and jealousy and accepts Pakistan.

 

[Mrc]

Did you read the article?

It is cool for Islamic Pakistan to deal with Godless communist/Buddhist China and give them military bases but its not halal for Afghans to deal with Christians aka the people of the book

Not cool trolling mate.

you have not given any bases.... you are enslaved conquered occupied and that so repeatedly .... kindly understand the very suttle difference

 

[Indus Pakistan]

By policy announced by Trump - something that looks heavily informed by Amrullah Saleh's thinking is going to have the exact and I mean exact opposite effect that Washington wants. You simply can't expect a 200 million people country armed to the teeth with nuclear weapons that has now proved over 70 years it's resilience and that is backed to the hilt by the rising new superpower - China.You can't expect it to kow tow to India.

Now think about this. Would USA want to fix a 30 million country called Afghanistan and wreck a 200 million people Pakistan with nuclear weapons - assuming it could even do that which I know it can't. Not with China acting as shield. And China will stand by Pakistan not because it likes our chapli kebabs but because of it's own self interest. You think it [China] is going to let it's only hedge [Pakistan] against India [made more acute now with the Doklam standoff] fall? No way.

So what has this policy by Trump done. Irritated our policy establishment as well as normal Pakistanis. If the Americans think we are going to let India chummy up with Kabul and launch anti-Pak tirades [which is exactly what they do] do you think we are going to just say. "Okay continue sir"?

No. If it was me. A secular latent westernized Pakistani who has no issue with women have as much as much rights as western women. Who supports gay rights. Who has no issues with Jews. If it was me. I would order a cabinet meeting. ISI, MI , all other relevant agencies.

1. Mine, seal, fence the Durand Line. Shoot anything that moves.
2. Trawl Afghanistan. Find anybody even if it is the devil worshippers. But as long as they are against Kabul government give them 100% support. Weapons, training, financing etc etc Continue to that with absolute vigour.

Nothing new in this. We are past masters of this. We did it from 1979-1989 and USA was a partner. So more of the same. If it was good then it is good now. And may the best man win.


Ps. There is not a whisp of morality in what I said. Nations are inanimate institutions and only have self interests. And that is exactly what we must do to secure our interests.

 

[KN-1]

There is nothing to talk or read about the issue @A-Team, just seal the borders and get on with it, shot every moving thing like we usually does on our eastern border...

This is our future. strong enemies make strong border, strong border make strong defense.

we indirectly want you to be strong..

 

[A-Team]

There is nothing to talk or read about the issue @A-Team, just seal the borders and get on with it, shot every moving thing like we usually does on our eastern border...

This is our future. strong enemies make strong border, strong border make strong defense.

we indirectly want you to be strong..

Here is another alternative, how about we open the borders completely, allow commerce and avoid zero sum games.
You do know with all the bravado in our region we are still laughing stock of the rest of the world.

If europeans can do it what stops us, just think of the limitless possibilities.

Hoping for such a day my friend

 

[airmarshal]

My dear @A-Team Afghans are our brothers. We want peace there not control. Pakistan shares the longest border with Afghanistan. Its not just a border. Its a bond in our shared history, region, custom, ethnicity and above all religion of Islam.

I personally feel for Afghanistan and its suffering. But you are betting on wrong horse to deliver. USA and its new ally India is like a fox and a hyena. They will take their pound of flesh and will not give you any thing in return.

Afghans should unite. Taliban, non-Taliban, Uzbek, Pashtuns or Tajik. Whatever your ethnicity and your political inclination, leave aside everything. Unite for your country. Only you can change the destiny, no one else. Everyone in Afghan imbroglio is for its own interest, including Pakistan.

 

[KN-1]

Here is another alternative, how about we open the borders completely, allow commerce and avoid zero sum games.
You do know with all the bravado in our region we are still laughing stock of the rest of the world.

If europeans can do it what stops us, just think of the limitless possibilities.

Hoping for such a day my friend

who made it zero sum is other debate, after all Pakistan was not the one who voted against Afghan membership in UN, claimed your territory or supported proxies against Afghan govt throughout.

No my friend, we cannot afford the open border as of now, it can only happen after the ongoing war in your country come to an end and your country stabilize..

we both have problem with each other and no side is ready to accept the responsibility, so it left us with only option, just seal the border and shot every moving thing which is not recognizable till peace come to Afghanistan. its not easy for Pakistan to deploy its precious manpower on western border when we have much larger enemy in east, but still we have to do this.

by sealing i dont mean that we should stop trade, the business should continue as usual from official crossing points with proper check and balances.

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

religious organization Sunnis and shias together have held demonstrations against US.
both Sunnis and shias religious scholars have already given their fatwa that in case of US attack jihad is obligatory on every one and everyone will have to take up arms.

the situation here is quite different than Iraq or Afghanistan where people were supporting US attacks.

Did you read the article?

It is cool for Islamic Pakistan to deal with Godless communist/Buddhist China and give them military bases but its not halal for Afghans to deal with Christians aka the people of the book

Not cool trolling mate.

the Islamic Pakistan is not giving bases to communist China. and even of we give them bases it will be with the support of our nation.

unlike US bases in Afghanistan which were formed after a war.

base in a friendly country is different case than a base established after invading any country.

 

[defence_analyst]

A good read by Afrasiab sahib on how the Tables have turned.

http://nation.com.pk/columns/26-Aug-2017/new-tidings-for-afpak

Tables have not turned, opinion of ANP and its cronies shouldn't be taken seriously. To give you some piece of their mindset read this, its usually opposite of Pakistan interests. Some time ago I read one of ANP wala saying their qibla is Kabul, lmao

 

[Khan_21]

Here is another alternative, how about we open the borders completely, allow commerce and avoid zero sum games.
You do know with all the bravado in our region we are still laughing stock of the rest of the world.

If europeans can do it what stops us, just think of the limitless possibilities.

Hoping for such a day my friend

For that to happen Afghanistan needs to do few things :

- Tackle Corruption . How do you expect to bear the fruits of trade when everything from top to bottom in Afghanistan is ultra - Corrupt?

- Warlords in Afghanistan need to be tamed . There is no way you can do commerce and trade when warlords rule your country and everybody has a private army .

- Afghanistan's view vis-a-vis Pakistan needs to change . Accept Durand line as international border like rest of the world .

 

[Arsalan 345]

You provided Americans with bases to bomb the shit out of Afghanistan because it suited, you sold fellow muslims, Pakistanis, Afghans and others for monetary benefits ( Musharraf talked about it in his book).

If you are looking for morality in our part of the world, then you are sadly mistaken my friend

The fact of the matter is that Pakistan is doing business with Afghan blood and it will only stop when the Afghan state becomes strong and make Pakistan pay for it. Sorry if I sound a bit harsh but just stating the facts.

/peace



I like your picture, Junoon was a great group.

what kind of afghans are you talking about? you are the guys who were living peacefully under taliban control before american attack on afghanistan.americans forced pakistan to join this war because thousands of talibans flee towards afghan pak border.what kind of morality? your afghan government and you intelligence are friends of TTP.why america is not hitting TTP? do you think that we are fool? if you keep sending ttp people to bomb school colleges mosques inside pakistan, we will send afghan talibans.you started proxy,we will end this.afghan taliban will soon take over entire afghanistan and ghani will bite the dust.we hosted you during russian war and there are still afghans living in pakistan.what kind of disgraceful people you really are! you should thank us for saving your brothers which we did by opening our border during war.rather than appologizing us, you are using india as a tool to counter us.day is not far when afghan taliban will finish off all indian and paid afghani agents and by the way, your intelligence is a joke.