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[Pangu]

Nope you are wrong Bro. Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany could have technically won the war if not for their own leaders foolish/wrong decisions they took few years later after they were winning the war and bad luck. For one Hitler made the mistake of not focusing on defeating/invading Britain first before having any thoughts if invading Russia. Second the German invasion of soviet union was done at the wrong time (something Hitler's own generals like Goering were against at that period of time). Contrary to what many think, soviet union was farrrrt inferior to Nazi Germany in all fields(similar to China vs imperial Japan), the only saving grace that save Russia from total invasion/defeat was .......yes the Russian winter, which bugged down/slowed the Nazis from taking Moscow. If not for this Russia would have obviously fallen(it came very close to it). Furthermore

Furthermore, Japan also made a huge blunder when deciding to invade China(similar to Germany's foolish decision to invade Russia) which made them lose previous resources/manpower and suffer huge casualties (50% of their cssualties during the war was against the KMT china) for no real gain which also bogged them down. Japan could have just be contented with ruling all the Asian countries it had already invaded/controlled.It should have also cone into an understanding with great powers like the U.S to not touch the Philippines and share the Asian bounty with western powers.Instead it foolishly attacked the U.S itself(whom until then was neutral/didn't want to enter the war). By then it was doomed.

So in short, Nazi Germany and Japan could have technically won the war. It was possible if they had made some rational decisions or better still if I was their policy maker.

Your assessment is correct. A 2 front war for Nazi Germany against UK & USSR, for Imperial Japan against China/USA. That was a huge blunder. But nothing worse than Italy joining the war where it was totally outclass on all front. The French, the Greek, etc just made a fool out of them, & the Nazis had to save their assess countless time.

 

[kankan326]

Nope you are wrong Bro. Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany could have technically won the war if not for their own leaders foolish/wrong decisions they took few years later after they were winning the war and bad luck. For one Hitler made the mistake of not focusing on defeating/invading Britain first before having any thoughts if invading Russia. Second the German invasion of soviet union was done at the wrong time (something Hitler's own generals like Goering were against at that period of time). Contrary to what many think, soviet union was farrrrt inferior to Nazi Germany in all fields(similar to China vs imperial Japan), the only saving grace that save Russia from total invasion/defeat was .......yes the Russian winter, which bugged down/slowed the Nazis from taking Moscow. If not for this Russia would have obviously fallen(it came very close to it). Furthermore

Furthermore, Japan also made a huge blunder when deciding to invade China(similar to Germany's foolish decision to invade Russia) which made them lose previous resources/manpower and suffer huge casualties (50% of their cssualties during the war was against the KMT china) for no real gain which also bogged them down. Japan could have just be contented with ruling all the Asian countries it had already invaded/controlled.It should have also cone into an understanding with great powers like the U.S to not touch the Philippines and share the Asian bounty with western powers.Instead it foolishly attacked the U.S itself(whom until then was neutral/didn't want to enter the war). By then it was doomed.

So in short, Nazi Germany and Japan could have technically won the war. It was possible if they had made some rational decisions or better still if I was their policy maker.

All countries made mistakes in the war. Hitler made mistakes. So did Stalin. Some can survive from mistakes, some can not. Germany belonged to the latter. Soviet union didn't defeat Germany by luck. They had much more war resources than Germany.

Japan heavily relied on US's steel and oil. Without US support, they couldn't maintain the war for a week. When US realized Japan's expansion threatened their interest and stopped war resources export, Japan had no choice but to challenge US.

 

[mike2000]

Your assessment is correct. A 2 front war for Nazi Germany against UK & USSR, for Imperial Japan against China/USA. That was a huge blunder. But nothing worse than Italy joining the war where it was totally outclass on all front. The French, the Greek, etc just made a fool out of them, & the Nazis had to save their assess countless time.

Lool yes Italy's performance was surprisingly unimpressive/poor. Don't know why they performed so badly. But you shouldn't forget France as well. They were an even bigger shock. Germany defeated them in under a month.

As for Germany's decision to invade Russia while still fighting/haven't yet invaded/defeated the U.K it was veryyyyyy foolish, still can't believe how dumb Hitler could be. Had he left his generals be in charge, Germany would have won the war IMO. Since Britain wasn't just alone. We had the British empire from our colonial subjects/territories/resources in populous India, Malaysia, Singapore, to Africa , carribean etc. So had he focus on defeating/invading Britain first, he would have had a huge resource/manpower/knowhow in its arsenal.

As for imperial Japan, they should have just been contented with the Asian countries like Korea, Sakhalin islands, Taiwan, Hong Kong, vietnam, mayanmar, Singapore, Malaysia etc which it had already conquered (many from us), instead of invading a huge landmass China(even though already in civil war) and taking on mighty U.S. It was Indeed quite foolish decision.

 

[flamer84]

Lool yes Italy's performance was surprisingly unimpressive/poor. Don't know why they performed so badly. But you shouldn't forget France as well. They were an even bigger shock. Germany defeated them in under a month

The UK would have suffered the same faith if you weren't divided by water from Germany.Before pointing at the French remember your glorious Army fleeing with its tail behind its legs and soldiers cramming themselves in vessels,leaving equipment behind,just to escape the Germans at Dunkirque.

Hitler's idiocy is what saved you,both at Dunkirque and in the Battlle of Britain.

 

[Gabriel92]

The UK would have suffered the same faith if you weren't divided by water from Germany.Before pointing at the French remember your glorious Army fleeing with its tail behind its legs and soldiers cramming themselves in vessels,leaving equipment behind,just to escape the Germans at Dunkirque.

Hitler's idicy is what saved you,both at Dunkirque and in the Battlle of Britain.

Before the war,the socialists destroyed our army (i talked about it in another post if you remember) the moral was very low,nobody could stop the Blitzkrieg.
Even the british fled,it seems that mike should learn history lol.
And you are right, if the UK had borders with us,the hitler's troops would have paraded in London glasgow etc.

 

[mike2000]

All countries made mistakes in the war. Hitler made mistakes. So did Stalin. Some can survive from mistakes, some can not. Germany belonged to the latter. Soviet union didn't defeat Germany by luck. They had much more war resources than Germany.

Japan heavily relied on US's steel and oil. Without US support, they couldn't maintain the war for a week. When US realized Japan's expansion threatened their interest and stopped war resources export, Japan had no choice but to challenge US.

More resources doesn't always determines/guarantee militarily superiority. You said the d soviet union defeated Nazi Germany because of the large resources they had. It is correct to some extent, but not entirely true, there are much more reasons for this than resources. Yes there is also luck. As I said, every military analyst(even russian) agrees that the Russian winter did save/slow down the Nazis advance and gave time for Moscow yo reorganised its disoriented army who were still recovering from their earlier fast defeats from the Nazis bletzkreig. Without this, the Nazis would have certainly captured Moscow. No doubt about that.

As for imperial Japan, you say they couldn't survive for a week when U.S cut all oil/steel etc exports to them? Do you even know how long Japan fought the U.S? Do you know they even defeated the U.S initially when they captured the Philippines and ruled/hold it for over a year? I don't think Japan fought the U.S/survived for a week.lol
Its true that Japan Aldo grew too greedy, instead of being satisfied with its own colonies it had invaded already in Asia, it instead wanted more, at the end it lost all and became occupied itself.

 

[Beast]

More resources doesn't always determines/guarantee militarily superiority. You said the d soviet union defeated Nazi Germany because of the large resources they had. It is correct to some extent, but not entirely true, there are much more reasons for this than resources. Yes there is also luck. As I said, every military analyst(even russian) agrees that the Russian winter did save/slow down the Nazis advance and gave time for Moscow yo reorganised its disoriented army who were still recovering from their earlier fast defeats from the Nazis bletzkreig. Without this, the Nazis would have certainly captured Moscow. No doubt about that.

As for imperial Japan, you say they couldn't survive for a week when U.S cut all oil/steel etc exports to them? Do you even know how long Japan fought the U.S? Do you know they even defeated the U.S initially when they captured the Philippines and ruled/hold it for over a year? I don't think Japan fought the U.S/survived for a week.lol
Its true that Japan Aldo grew too greedy, instead of being satisfied with its own colonies it had invaded already in Asia, it instead wanted more, at the end it lost all and became occupied itself.

Capturing Moscow does not neccessary mean Soviet will collapse. They still have a powerful military industries beyond Volga river. In fact, the Russian already mass large number of T-34 around stalingrad, just waiting the Nazi to fall into their encirclement trap.

There is no way, Nazi could have defeated Soviet mighty industrious.

 

[mike2000]

Capturing Moscow does not neccessary mean Soviet will collapse. They still have a powerful military industries beyond Volga river. In fact, the Russian already mass large number of T-34 around stalingrad, just waiting the Nazi to fall into their encirclement trap.

There is no way, Nazi could have defeated Soviet mighty industrious.

Yes keep telling yourself that. Loool. Anyway, we will never know since the Russian winter indeed changed things. So case closed.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

More resources doesn't always determines/guarantee militarily superiority. You said the d soviet union defeated Nazi Germany because of the large resources they had. It is correct to some extent, but not entirely true, there are much more reasons for this than resources. Yes there is also luck. As I said, every military analyst(even russian) agrees that the Russian winter did save/slow down the Nazis advance and gave time for Moscow yo reorganised its disoriented army who were still recovering from their earlier fast defeats from the Nazis bletzkreig. Without this, the Nazis would have certainly captured Moscow. No doubt about that.

As for imperial Japan, you say they couldn't survive for a week when U.S cut all oil/steel etc exports to them? Do you even know how long Japan fought the U.S? Do you know they even defeated the U.S initially when they captured the Philippines and ruled/hold it for over a year? I don't think Japan fought the U.S/survived for a week.lol
Its true that Japan Aldo grew too greedy, instead of being satisfied with its own colonies it had invaded already in Asia, it instead wanted more, at the end it lost all and became occupied itself.

Wrong,not russian winter.Russian winter started to fall hard from december.By december last great german attack operation typhoon was over and had failed.Winter helped in russian counterattack,but not in defence as much.It was a side cause not the main cause.Out of 1.1 million losses in op barbarossa for germany,frostbirte accounts for around 100,000.Less than 10%.
Main cause was russian ability to mobilize its manpower to an unthinkable degree.Germany totally destroyed russia's existing army of nearly 200 divisions in 6 months.Russia answered by mobilizing 300 divisions - beat that.And its also wrong to say russia hadinferior technology.T-34.kv-1.ppsh submachine gun,zis-3 76 mm gun,120 mm mortar,katyusha rocket launcher all were innovative,superb designs which germans copied because they were stunned by soviets having such advanced weaponry.
More than winter it was russian manpower mobilization and resilience and the mud.Mud totally hampered german supply situation bogging them down.Germans thought they would simply blitz to moscow before weather became a factor and never took precautions.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

To be honest, Japan can build most of its weapons itself, just because they lost the war which has restricted them from venturing into certain fields independently. Nonetheless I think you are underestimating them, even with these restrictions they still have a very advanced navy(maybe the most advanced in Asia). After all, I don't see the U.S being at responsible for building japans destroyers and LHD alias light aircraft carriers, something few countries in Asia can boast of. Moreover Japan is still technologically more advanced than China overall.

They may have the potential to be a bit ahead of France and UK, but they are currently badly lagging behind because of being left behind for 70 years.

BTW, all the air force and navy from Japan came from the US technology.

The UK would have suffered the same faith if you weren't divided by water from Germany.Before pointing at the French remember your glorious Army fleeing with its tail behind its legs and soldiers cramming themselves in vessels,leaving equipment behind,just to escape the Germans at Dunkirque.

Hitler's idiocy is what saved you,both at Dunkirque and in the Battlle of Britain.

Long Live the Latin brotherhood between France and Romania.

 

[mike2000]

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   The UK would have suffered the same faith if you weren't divided by water from Germany.Before pointing at the French remember your glorious Army fleeing with its tail behind its legs and soldiers cramming themselves in vessels,leaving equipment behind,just to escape the Germans at Dunkirque.
   
   Hitler's idiocy is what saved you,both at Dunkirque and in the Battlle of Britain.

   WOULD HAVE......how can you be sure? It didnt happen. So you are just supposing then, since Germany did try initially but failed. Read more about the battle of Britain. He wanted a quick victory against us so he could turn his attention/focus on the Soviet commie Union, since he hated communist more than anything. The delay/difficulties of the battle of Britain made him lost patience and conclude that if he could invade/control the Sobviet union, Britain will come to the conclusion that it has no more hope and will surrender, reason he turned on to the Soviet Union after.. But he miscalculated on this. So read more about the battle of Britain, Hitler did try, and failed initially. But never persisted.

Before the war,the socialists destroyed our army (i talked about it in another post if you remember) the moral was very low,nobody could stop the Blitzkrieg.
Even the british fled,it seems that mike should learn history lol.
And you are right, if the UK had borders with us,the hitler's troops would have paraded in London glasgow etc.

We didnt really fled, it was a retreat, and it indeed proved to be a wise decision later, since it saved us alot of valuable manpower/resources and boosted moral of soldiers involved. Assuming if we had borders, it would have been different is just again an ASSUMPTION, its not the case and didnt happen. We are talkinbg about events that occured and eventualities during the war, not making assumptions bro.

 

[UKBengali]

We didnt really fled, it was a retreat, and it indeed proved to be a wise decision later, since it saved us alot of valuable manpower/resources and boosted moral of soldiers involved. Assuming if we had borders, it would have been different is just again an ASSUMPTION, its not the case and didnt happen. We are talkinbg about events that occured and eventualities during the war, not making assumptions bro.

If UK had land border with Germany then it would have built a larger army.

No point in discussing hypotheticals.

 

[war is peace]

To be honest, Japan can build most of its weapons itself, just because they lost the war which has restricted them from venturing into certain fields independently. Nonetheless I think you are underestimating them, even with these restrictions they still have a very advanced navy(maybe the most advanced in Asia). After all, I don't see the U.S being at responsible for building japans destroyers and LHD alias light aircraft carriers, something few countries in Asia can boast of. Moreover Japan is still technologically more advanced than China overall.

Really? Elaborate.

 

[flamer84]

Long Live the Latin brotherhood between France and Romania.

Oui,oui.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Nope you are wrong Bro. Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany could have technically won the war if not for their own leaders foolish/wrong decisions they took few years later after they were winning the war and bad luck.

Japan and Germany could not have won WW2. They won early battles based on surprise and good tactics, but demographics and economics were against them. They could defeat France or Korea/Philippines of similar size, but they were against US and Russia, both of which were huge continent sized industrial superpowers even in 1940.

Japan was actually pretty weak; they lost every land battle against the Soviets hard, and the only reason they were able to surprise the US fleet was because the US had to split its fleet between Pacific and Atlantic. The reason they were forced to attack the US was because the US stopped supplying them with oil and steel, so they had to go into Indonesia, Malaysia and Singapore to capture resources there to support the war effort against ROC.

The war against ROC was the crucial turning point - if Japan had been content to rule Korea and Taiwan, they could've kept their independence. But once they attacked ROC, they were forced to also attack European possessions, which would draw the US into the war. They also knew that if the US entered the war at a time of their choosing, the US would bring its massive industrial might to bear and destroy Japan completely. What they wanted to do was to cripple the US pacific fleet, take over the Southeast Asia while the US fleet was down and present a fiat accompili (spelling?) to the US. What they didn't realize was that the US was a much, much stronger industrial power than Japan thought.

Same for Russia. Germans had a distinct economic and demographic disadvantage vs. Russia.