New Pakistans in making in India

[Jackdaws]

So you admit india is the culprit in atleast one of the cases.

What culprit? Junagadh acceded to Pakistan - they became your responsibility. Your country failed to send troops or any other material and the Nawab fled - the only culprits are the Nawab and Pakistan. India entered only after it was requested to enter and conducted a plebiscite.

Muslim majority areas. We went for the spirit and not the technicality. If we went by technicality then the map of India will look significantly different than today.

Although I would prefer visiting Junagardh and Sasan Gir and interact with the Maldharis who my forefathers encountered during their travels across India.

This is not true because Jinnah tried his best to convince the rulers of Jaisalmer and Bikaner to accede to Pakistan despite there being a Hindu majority.
He also happily accepted Chittagong Hill Tracts in East Pakistan which was over 90% Non-Muslim.

 

[El Sidd]

What culprit? Junagadh acceded to Pakistan - they became your responsibility. Your country failed to send troops or any other material and the Nawab fled - the only culprits are the Nawab and Pakistan. India entered only after it was requested to enter and conducted a plebiscite.




This is not true because Jinnah tried his best to convince the rulers of Jaisalmer and Bikaner to accede to Pakistan despite there being a Hindu majority.
He also happily accepted Chittagong Hill Tracts in East Pakistan which was over 90% Non-Muslim.

there are also practical needs when it comes to legislation and resources and administration. Of-course the division was done by a third party and 70 years ago and not to mention with such haste. they were not at it with google maps or live feeds from villages.

 

[prashantazazel]

My friend this is not fundamental thinking, Indian muslims are desperate to survive in Modi's India. Modi's India is not secular, its even more fundamentalist than Taliban. Even Taliban dont kill people for eating beef.

Do taliban kill people for disrespecting their holy book/figures?
Similar issues. I think both should be allowed.

 

[T-Rex]

THey do exactly what you are doing, and what I'm going to do now.

But you prey to allah that no "fake surgical strike" happens at your western border.

By all means do whatever is necessary but please don't start shooting people for expressing their opinions on a public forum. Use your arguments if you have any and if not maintaining silence is the golden rule.

 

[Jackdaws]

People of junagadh were Hindus so they joined India, people of Kashmir are Muslims...

If Pakistan had occupied and sent its troops and administrative personnel to take over Junagadh after the Nawab there signed the Treaty of Accession, then Pakistan would have full right to Junagadh irrespective of its population composition. But Pakistan did not.

 

[Brahmarshi]

If Pakistan had occupied and sent its troops and administrative personnel to take over Junagadh after the Nawab there signed the Treaty of Accession, then Pakistan would have full right to Junagadh irrespective of its population composition. But Pakistan did not.

Junagadhis are hindu Gujaratis, they wanted to join Gujarat. Kings have no choice but accept the majority. In this case it was Hindus who were majority in Junagadh sk they fought for freedom from A muslim nawab.

Junagadh is gujarati land and no bhaiyya or madrasi or half Pakistanis have right over it. Its not our faut that India is occupying a muslim majority land that belongs to the Pakistan, Kashmir.

We will surely never gove an Inch of our land so that Hindis can keep kashmir, a pakistani state occupied by India.

 

[Jackdaws]

Junagadhis are hindu Gujaratis, they wanted to join Gujarat. Kings have no choice but accept the majority. In this case it was Hindus who were majority in Junagadh sk they fought for freedom from A muslim nawab.

Junagadh is gujarati land and no bhaiyya or madrasi or half Pakistanis have right over it. Its not our faut that India is occupying a muslim majority land that belongs to the Pakistan, Kashmir.

We will surely never gove an Inch of our land so that Hindis can keep kashmir, a pakistani state occupied by India.

LOL. It doesn't matter what you think or spew furiously typing away at a keyboard. If Junagad was in Bengal, still the same law would have applied.

Based on arguments made by Indin members Indians have to let go kashmir for junagadh, are you ready to swap junagadh for kashmir ?

@Jackdaws

@El Sidd @Aasimkhan will your country accept Junagadh ?

LOL , of course not. The integration of Junagadh into the Indian Union is complete and legal. Pakistan has a small and legal window of opportunity in 1947. Pakistan did not take it. Now they neither have claim over Junagadh nor over Kashmir.

 

[Infinity]

That's a myth. Some parts of north-India, yes. Like saharanpur, roorkee, azamgarh (where minorities are majority), and there too its mostly local hindu-muslim divide, not a radicalization and terrorist breeding spot (well, mostly). Otherwise, it's Hyderabad, Kerala, WB which are terrorist hotbeds.

Haha See the Hate of Cowbelt Sanghi towards my Home state Kerala..............
Gobber Sanghis have no substantial proof of their claim..............
They hate Kerala because even after more than 8000 Shakas of RSS ,BJP is not a strong contender in Kerala............
They hate Kerala because unlike their Cowbelt brethren Malayalis eat BEEF....................

 

[Brahmarshi]

Haha See the Hate of Cowbelt Sanghi towards my Home state Kerala..............
Gobber Sanghis have no substantial proof of their claim..............
They hate Kerala because even after more than 8000 Shakas of RSS ,BJP is not a strong contender in Kerala............
They hate Kerala because unlike their Cowbelt brethren Malayalis eat BEEF....................

I am afraidwe have no other way but to get Separate in order to save our Identity.

These Bhaiyyas with their 1000 sq. Km population ajlnd culture will change our States and culture. Our wlvery existance is in Delanger.

 

[Aasimkhan]

If Pakistan had occupied and sent its troops and administrative personnel to take over Junagadh after the Nawab there signed the Treaty of Accession, then Pakistan would have full right to Junagadh irrespective of its population composition. But Pakistan did not.

So entering troops is necessary to show moral high ground ? If we did not enter troops it became your property by default ? What a funny logic by Indians

 

[Jackdaws]

So entering troops is necessary to show moral high ground ? If we did not enter troops it became your property by default ? What a funny logic by Indians

Nope. Troops were requested to maintain law and order. You could have sent in a well equipped police force too.

 

[Aasimkhan]

Nope. Troops were requested to maintain law and order. You could have sent in a well equipped police force too.

So thats why India annexed it ? It shows your mindset

 

[Jackdaws]

So thats why India annexed it ? It shows your mindset

Read my post again. And read some history. India was invited by the administration to enter to maintain law and order after Pakistan failed in its duties.

 

[Aasimkhan]

Read my post again. And read some history. India was invited by the administration to enter to maintain law and order after Pakistan failed in its duties.

then you should have got out as soon the law and order was maintained, but you decided to keep it, what a shameless act

 

[Jackdaws]

then you should have got out as soon the law and order was maintained, but you decided to keep it, what a shameless act

LOL. No, again - I understand history is not read in Pakistan. A plebiscite was conducted and Pakistan was kept in the loop. Pakistan could have taken India to court or to any international forum if it that the integration of Junagadh into was illegal. Not protecting its territory - now that was a shameless act by Pakistan.