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A mosque should look like a mosque, there are set standards for mosque designs which have been going on for centuries. This looks like a stadium at best. It is understood that the Architect perhaps wanted to give it a contemporary look, but contemporary looks should always pay tribute to the site surroundings along with the philosophical value given to traditional designs, especially in cases of religious buildings. Churches have come a long way in their designs but we still see the basic essence of what was done centuries ago, mosques have the same story, they have always been designed in a traditional way with domes and minarets, not to say that contemporary design elements shouldn't be used but at the same time the traditional elements must be retained. The interior design might be beneficial as a circular center point will allow more space inside, but it should at least look like a mosque from its exterior.

it is a hospital cum maszid so no need to give much emphasis on maszid and hurt hindu brothers feelings reminding them about loss of hindu mandirs by hands of invaders who demolished hindu mandirs .
 
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it is a hospital cum maszid so no need to give much emphasis on maszid and hurt hindu brothers feelings reminding them about loss of hindu mandirs by hands of invaders who demolished hindu mandirs .


Fcuk the Hindus🤪🤪🤪

If your building a mosque, then build a mosque

If your walking on egg shells because of the hindutva extremists then Jinnahs message is more important now for Indian Muslims then even in 1947
 
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The biggest problem with these hindutva bakht types is that the revise history and see India as some sort of homogeneous entity able to lay claim to a disparate group of people

When for its majority it was different states and people's as diverse as the Europeans and Africans


Now these gangadeshies want to lay claim to the heritage and culture of Pakistan when their people were living in the jungles to the east
Hence we must actively resist their designs. They lay claim to everything from Kabul to Jakarta and our cardinal sin is that we let them do it. Mercifully, I see many on this thread who resist their revisionism. India's current state project to saffronise the subcontinent has backfired because suddenly, India's neighbours are claiming their heritage rather than letting Modi snatch it unopposed. The biggest propaganda tool they use is equating ancient "India" as described by Persian, Greek and Arab chroniclers with the modern hindutva state of Hindustan born in 1947.

This is why Jinnah was furious that Nehru took this name 'India' for his state. It was an act of propaganda in itself that Indians use to claim ownership of ancient India and the Indus Valley. Jinnah knew they would do this - smart man. High time we pushed back against it at every single opportunity.

It's akin to the Greece/Macedonia dispute. FYROM has usurped Greek history by use of this word "Macedonia". Alexander and Philip of Macedon etc are the rightful heritage of modern Greece, not modern FYROM, hence the push back from Athens and their stubbornness. We should be equally stubborn against Delhi's false claims over the Indus.
 
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Hence we must actively resist their designs. They lay claim to everything from Kabul to Jakarta and our cardinal sin is that we let them do it. Mercifully, I see many on this thread who resist their revisionism. India's current state project to saffronise the subcontinent has backfired because suddenly, India's neighbours are claiming their heritage rather than letting Modi snatch it unopposed. The biggest propaganda tool they use is equating ancient "India" as described by Persian, Greek and Arab chroniclers with the modern hindutva state of Hindustan born in 1947.

This is why Jinnah was furious that Nehru took this name 'India' for his state. It was an act of propaganda in itself that Indians use to claim ownership of ancient India and the Indus Valley. Jinnah knew they would do this - smart man. High time we pushed back against it at every single opportunity.

It's akin to the Greece/Macedonia dispute. FYROM has usurped Greek history by use of this word "Macedonia". Alexander and Philip of Macedon etc are the rightful heritage of modern Greece, not modern FYROM, hence the push back from Athens and their stubbornness. We should be equally stubborn against Delhi's false claims over the Indus.


Jinnah was a genius, the man absolutely understood the hindutva mind and virtually made himself into a time traveller with his ability to predict the future and what was going to happen in India


I don't know if this ghalib dude is actually a Indian Muslim because he seems confused as fcuk and a total cuckold, but walking on eggshells around hindutva isn't going to work and Indian Muslims need to now claim their heritage and stand up for their distinct identity
 
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will you allow construction of sri krishna temple in islamabad ? for the benefit of hindu brothers of pakistan ?
And Already give you that answer, Islamic laws are not allowed to build any new temple ESPECIALLY IDOL WORSHIPING TEMPLE IS NOT ALLOWED AND STRICTLY PROBHIITED TO BE BUILD
muhajirs and MQM are secular people . they dont hate hindus . they love their india unlike you who has got bigoted leanings .
Shu up you NAZ EXTREMISTI TERROIST HINDU by oppressing/suppressing/ terrorizing Muslims yeah yeah, they afraid of you because you will destroy their properties and rape and kill hem
 
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I don't know if this ghalib dude is actually a Indian Muslim because he seems confused as fcuk and a total cuckold, but walking on eggshells around hindutva isn't going to work and Indian Muslims need to now claim their heritage and stand up for their distinct identity

Obviously a Hindu. No Muslims uses the word Maszid.
 
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Nonsense. Desist from rewriting history. The "India" referred to in Greek texts is the Indus Valley, which is thoroughly distinct from the Vedic Aryan civilisation you bang on about.

Yes, some gangetics contributed to early sciences but some sons of the IVC did - and their genetics are categorically different. Pingala and Chanakya are Pakistani heritage - did you think you could usurp them without resistance?

As for tree dwelling, it is categorically the case that while we harappans had cities, bricks, granaries and sewerage systems, you lived in mud huts. Do not waste everyone's time with lies and do not force me to provide references because it is a given that the IVC was the ONLY civilised nation in the bronze age subcontinent. Check your DNA - you will find distinct IVC and Aryan steppe land lineages and probably Dravidian also. IVC lineages were originally from the ivc, and spread eastward at the collapse of the harappan civilisation. Aryan DNA came to your lands in significant amounts at a similar time or just after. Check the recent Rakhigiri findings if you don't believe me. It's proven by your own study lolz.

Hindutva types continue to propagate this delusion that the IVC was theirs and somehow representative of the elephant riders east of the Indus. They were distinct nations. The Greeks and Romans spoke of the IVC and Kerala as distinct trading partners and bastions of commerce and science. Certainly, more eastern gangetic tribes existed but they weren't urbanised.

As for your anti Mughal ranting, so what if they stole the money you hid in your temples?? Excellent job. You should have built something with it or invested it somehow. If you horde money in temples, someone will come and take it. The mughals spent your hoarded wealth on military advances, commerce, arts and architecture. Look at the wealth of art commissioned by Mughal emperors. They paid Muslims AND Hindus to paint in miniature style to revolutionise medieval art. The world fawns over Mughal era art and architecture (crafted by Muslims AND Hindus, I repeat) but you poor brainwashed fools regard those times as "dark ages". I'd laugh at you if it wasn't so deadly serious. So what if they taxed you and spent your money? They built an empire that grabbed the world's attention so be proud. Alas, you're proud instead of ambani's penny pinching (wholly enabled by his back-scratchers in the government who take their share for enabling his monopolies; same thing happens in Indian cricket too btw. - remember the ICL??) and India's other ultramodern practices of call centre scamming, degree faking, scientific publication reference monopolising and outright nepotism.

First there is no 'we' harappans.You are a mirza.You despise the harappan practices of yoga,shiva-shakti,ritual bathing,cattle veneration as hindu degeneracy.We didn't live in mud huts because we didn't exist then,we emerged after eastern migration of harappans due to climate change and synthesis with migrating aryans.Gangetic plains only became urbanized after aryans brought iron tools to cut down the dense forests.The aryan-harappan remnant synthesis is the basis of classical india.You claiming chanakya is funny,since he was from pataliputra teaching in takshashila.But i like that you claimed pingala,there are many other hindu stalwarts from the region.It only shows how deeply you have disgraced your ancestors by turning one of the cradles of hindusim and one of the world's oldest civilizations into second class muslim converts looking upto daddies in turkey,arabia and iran.But then again you are a mirza ashraf - so wrong person.

You people retain nothing of the harappan culture or civilization,we do.And harappan civilization was spread from haryana,rajasthan,gujarat into pak punjab and sindh.

Harappans died out a 1000 years earlier than classical greece and rome.So you have your chronology totally messed up.Romans traded with malabar ports in kerala,the great ports of gujarat and barygaza in sindh.The great emporium city was ujjain in central india,2nd capital of the guptas after they conquered the sakas.Harappans were already gone for nearly 2000 years by then.Eastern gangetics existed but not urbanized ?HAHAHA.Pataliputra was the largest city in the world - the capital of the mauryan and gupta empires.Fahien the chines traveller called ashokas palace an otherworldy wonder which could only have been made by spirits.For a 1000 years magadha dominated india.The punjabi muslims never had an empire of their own in their whole history.The last civilization you had of your own was gandhara which was destroyed by huns.After that you were just worshipping your invaders.Historically you were a doormat for every invader.Defeated by greeks who were expelled by mauryans from the mainland,defeated by sakas who were expelled by guptas,defeated by huns who were expelled by aulikara-gupta alliance,defetaed by arabs who were expelled by rajputs.Turks only established themselves in indian heartland 500 years after you guys rolled over in sindh.

If you had just stolen the money from the temples it would be understandable.But you destroyed the architecture,broke murtis of dieties on purpose with an intention to hurt the religious sentiments of the native populace - and you expect us the accept you.Don't be delusional.And you didn't just destroy temples.You burnt universities ,you butchered or enslaved millions of hapless civilians bringing your barbaric turko-mongol way of war into this land.1200-1700 we had zero inventions - a total dark age in science.All royal patronage went to madrasas and luxury consumption for elites.Beautiful architecture(copied from persians with fusion of indian elements) is not an adequate compensation.These were built with indian money and labour and to glorify outsiders.But you tried to erase the local architecture tradition which if you truly wanted to be one of us you wouldn't have.We have ajanta-ellora and brilliant other temples mostly in south india which survived.Crushing taxation,persecution of hindu and sikh minorities,attempt to impose alien civilization and faith,massive loss of life and regressive practices ,total lack of scientific progress,destruction of knowledge all contribute to a less than charitable memory.

In final analysis if you wanted to be 'us' you had to embrace indian civilization like the sakas,kushans etc.You had to patronize local languages,crafts,arts,treat the people with kindness and honour,respect local faiths and traditions.We would have accepted you in turn.Instead you tried to impose supremacy of islam by sword going completely against india's plural traditions.It doesnt mean you had to give up islam,but you had to indianize islam and respect all faiths equally in spirit of dharma like the indian tradition dictated.You imposed a foriegn language and all other elements of foreign culture.It doesnt mean all that came with you was bad..but whatever it was it wasn't 'us'.The mughal empire was never 'indian'.It was persianized turko-mongol empire that picked up indian elements due to a long presence.Its core ethos was always situated in ideas outside this land.

You tried to erase india's civilization and tried to replace it with an arabized persianized bastard child.You failed and now want us to recognize your effort as a legitimate act.Not going to happen.
You will be slowly phased out and remain as fading memories in india.Good luck preserving mughal heritage in pakistan since you identify with the invaders.We don't.
 
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You despise the harappan practices of yoga,shiva-shakti,ritual bathing,cattle veneration as hindu degeneracy.We didn't live in mud huts because we didn't exist then,we emerged after eastern migration of harappans
Pathetic individual. I am extremely proud of my harappan ancestors. They actually ate beef and buried their dead...but you wouldn't like to hear that I suspect.

And give it a rest please. You Hindustanis were not harappans. Their DNA entered your lands from our lands, not the other way around. I realise that hurts you a lot. In lands east of the Indus, dravidiians lived. Simple. Then harappans and Aryans came into your lands to gift you their DNA. Why do you deny this reality?

Did you enter our lands and conquer us genetically?? Please elaborate on this theory if you believe it.

Ancient Hinduism was quite different from the bstardised Vedic version you practice.
We didn't live in mud huts because we didn't exist then,we emerged after eastern migration of harappans
You're a fkin disgrace to your people.

I am proud of my harappan ancestors. You are sooooooo fkin ashamed of your Dravidian ancestors that you pretend you appeared out of thin air when harappans migrated east. My GOD I'VE HEARD IT ALL NOW.

"WE DIDN'T FKIN EXIST THEN"


HAHAHAHAH

(ACTUALLY LAUGHING)

THANK YOU DUDE.
We didn't live in mud huts because we didn't exist then,we emerged after eastern migration of harappans
You're a fkin disgrace to your people.

I am proud of my harappan ancestors. You are sooooooo fkin ashamed of your Dravidian ancestors that you pretend you appeared out of thin air when harappans migrated east. My GOD I'VE HEARD IT ALL NOW.

"WE DIDN'T FKIN EXIST THEN"


HAHAHAHAH

(ACTUALLY LAUGHING)

THANK YOU DUDE.
 
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tried to erase india's civilization and tried to replace it with an arabized persianized bastard child
We evolved away from YOUR bastardised religion. Ancient Hinduism was not Vedic Hinduism. Aryans invented a caste structure and were open rivals to the Indus Valley Hindus. We continued evolving upwards and favoured a more egalitarian path than Vedic Hinduism with its caste slavery. Islam was a natural evolution. When it came along, it made perfect sense, and kept us apart from your aryanised slave culture.

Your slave culture hasn't changed one bit in thousands of years because hey, it's fun having dalits around I guess?
Ancient Pakistanis became more and more civilised while you degenerated into a slave system that persists today.
 
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Pathetic individual. I am extremely proud of my harappan ancestors. They actually ate beef and buried their dead...but you wouldn't like to hear that I suspect.

And give it a rest please. You Hindustanis were not harappans. Their DNA entered your lands from our lands, not the other way around. I realise that hurts you a lot. In lands east of the Indus, dravidiians lived. Simple. Then harappans and Aryans came into your lands to gift you their DNA. Why do you deny this reality?

Did you enter our lands and conquer us genetically?? Please elaborate on this theory if you believe it.

Ancient Hinduism was quite different from the bstardised Vedic version you practice.

Oh you like that.But you dont like their ritual bathing,yoga,veneration of cattle,their worship of pashupati shiva and mother goddess shakti?Why selective memory?Besides you are a mirza..your ancestors came with turks,so why are you bothered with harappans?Maybe you have mixed with locals and claim harappans through that.

Hahaha.Harappans are 'dravidians'.There were originally hunter gatherers who came here 60000 years ago.Then came west asian farmers around 9000 years ago after end of last ice age.They mixed and formed the harappans' eventually.Around 3500-4000 years ago when the civilization declined they migrated east and south.Down south the harappans mixed with hunter gatherers again to form ASI(ancestral south indian) while aryans arrived 3000-3500 yrs ago mixed with harappans to form ANI (ancestral north indian).Current south indians sometimes refered to as dravidians are ASI +smaller quantities of aryan.Since you are completely out of touch with these new genetic studies i suggest you read up before blabbering on.

We practice many types of 'hinduism' which is a fake word anyway for sanatana dharma.There is the arya samaj version of vedic purity,there is advaita vedanta,there is puranic path,there is bhakti,there is animism,there is atheism/charvaka,there is tantra.To each his own as long as there is mutual respect.The civilization is more important for me as an agnostic than whatever be the form of worship.Religion and its dogmas are on the path to obsolescence anyway.I don't expect you to understand the deeper layers since your madrasa or pakistani 'history' books didn't cater for it.First tell your people stop killing 'blasphemers' and apostates.God knows they are increasing day by day on youtube.
We evolved away from YOUR bastardised religion. Ancient Hinduism was not Vedic Hinduism. Aryans invented a caste structure and were open rivals to the Indus Valley Hindus. We continued evolving upwards and favoured a more egalitarian path than Vedic Hinduism with its caste slavery. Islam was a natural evolution. When it came along, it made perfect sense, and kept us apart from your aryanised slave culture.

Your slave culture hasn't changed one bit in thousands of years because hey, it's fun having dalits around I guess?
Ancient Pakistanis became more and more civilised while you degenerated into a slave system that persists today.

Rubbish.Aryans entered india after the sindhu saraswati civ had already declined.There is not a single evidence of any warfare or siege in any indus settlements.There is evidence of flooding or slow decline and final abandonment.
Gandhara was the dominant culture of the region.So except some rajputs,you didn't abandon vedic caste slavery ,rather buddhism which was your heritage.And now you are second class muslims looking upto daddies in arabia ,turkey and iran with a wagging tail and high fiving yourselves to ertugul .LOL.
Islam failed totally against caste in the subcontinent.Even today ashraf-ajlaf dont mix.Brahminism was replaced by syedism-ashraf rule.Islam is just a cover for continued ashraf-syed racial apartheid amongst the muslims of subcontinent.
 
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Ancient Pakistanis became more and more civilised while you degenerated into a slave system that persists today.
Down south the harappans mixed with hunter gatherers again to form ASI(ancestral south indian) while aryans arrived 3000-3500 yrs ago mixed with harappans to form ANI (ancestral north indian).Current south indians sometimes refered to as dravidians are ASI +smaller quantities of aryan.Since you are completely out of touch with these new genetic studies i suggest you read up before blabbering on.
You don't wanna go there buddy. Please do not misquote David Reich.

AASI (whom you conveniently forgot and pretend don't exist) were ancient ancestral south Indians from whence you originally emerged.

ASI (ancestral south indians) were the product of harappan mixing. You really are clueless and desperately trying to find a way out of your mess.

Harappans were IRANIC HUNTER GATHERERS ORIGINALLY.

Your fathers came from Iran and central Asia! Yet you pretend harappans and vedics came "out of India" and you're so ashamed of AASI groups that you claim they never existed!

We know your game very well sir.

We Pakistanis are not ashamed of our wide admixture of origins. We are happy that harappan, pontic steppe, iranic and even some dravidian DNA, along with distinct groups of Greek, Afghan and bactrian DNA constitutes our nation. We're proud of harappans as we are of later migrants and invaders who improved us. We're proud of mohajirs who added to our rich tapestry.

You'll never have this feeling that we have because you are ashamed of nearly all of your history and your reality.
 
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Harappans are 'dravidians'.
Here's the bit I take issue with most. Please don't be ashamed of your roots by inventing fallacies like this.

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Harappans were up to 90% iranic.

The Iranian genome was in the subcontinent looooong before Islam arrived.
Neither is ancient animist Hindu-like practice *purely* subcontinental, nor is modern aryan Hinduism *purely* subcontinental. Certainly you have many strains of Hinduism, none of which are exclusively "Indian". All of them have foreign influence.
 
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Here's the hilarious thing these bhakts don't get, especially our supposed "agnostic" "cultural Hindu" friend here (btw I love how these bhakts hide behind these labels just to assure white people reading that they aren't fundamentalist fanatics ....."agnostic" but raging hindutva....love it mate!):

The modern nation state of IRAN has far far greater claim over the IVC lineage than the nation of India does.

If tomorrow, Iranians said on this forum that harappans were prototypical Iranian ancestors, they would have a strong case that I would struggle to refute! Yet our buddies from the Gangetic plains - those magical and ethereal plains - are convinced that harappans were "make in India".


Jesus I love reading their nonsense. I only truly actually laugh out loud when someone here says "out of India".


Hahhahhaha. I'd die a happy camper if I died today.
 
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Folks, please please understand that the greatest weakness of the hindutva cult is its baloney belief that everything it has become today is purely an "Indian" socio politico linguo religio genetic construct. Each and every attribute that constitutes the animus and the soul of the modern "Indian" is very much a composite construction. In fact, a MINORITY of their essence comes from Hindustan or the gangetic plains.

This fact undoes all the b.s. narratives that "Muslims are bad because they're foreign" in one fell swoop. It doesn't matter that Islam came from Arabia at all. Why doesn't it matter??

Because Indians, hinduism, Sanskrit and the very soul of hindutva all came from Iran! And the Asiatic steppe and a little little bit from "India".

Hahhahahhaha.
 
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