Who on Earth siad that we were going to indegenously develop Pak FA...we never claimed that.. and by the way LCA is fine and flying and we dont boast that it is the greates plane on earth ... all we claim is that it is intended to replace MIG 21.. Do you have any clue regarding composites.. FBW.....EW warfare systems... all you guys boast is about some HUD that you have dveloped..Accepted that manufacuting the planes in your country is a good step forward... but come to developing for scratch and you will know......
Before commenting learn the context of my message, just like you claim JF-17 we just provided money and nothing else, same can be said with India's development with the Russian's next gen fighter (
Also, on what do you base your claims on Pakistan has no inputs? Is it cause we don't say, well remember not everything is know about the J-10 either). And Yes I know about these composite and other avionic systems I ain't illiterate, my minor focus is Military history "son", next time learn about the person before you question if he has clues' in anything. About developing why should we develop from scratch? Re-invent the wheel? Rather we can learn from improving the wheel and using existing technology to improve it, I rather build a plane in 5-6 years instead of taking decades, and hasn't even started being inducted into the service yet.
And again even our ACM has said that our contribution to the project was its design you can dig the article out by googling the briefing that was done about a month ago.
And it shows your lack of knowledge that we just have HUD development, take your time and read some of the systems here, countermeasures, etc..
http://www.awc.com.pk/
And that is just one company their are many more, espically in Karachi developing Navy simulation systems and net centric systems, we have our own BMS system which Kuwait will be installing as well, and composite manufacturing check the service section of the AWC link, go do yourself an extensive search on google of IDEAs '06, before making bogus and childish claims.
What do I know about development...... well Id have to come and learn it at Pakistan.. maybe your great engineering and management departments will teach us......lol......When was the las time you had a university in your country that was recognised globally.....Engineering ? Management? he he he
Such a childish comment that has no relevance to this thread, what can I say? Isn't it your leaders asking UK to adopt your kids? Yeah, we can teach you alot about management in that field. We seen the management team in DRDO (and what their universities produced, lol). So next time you want to start flamming just open another thread and we can start from their.
A Russian products or chinese products are still inferior to the sound quality and design principles of the west and Japan.. Only thing Russia has evolved is in the area of aerospace design then again they have quality control problems... let alone China...Dont even imagine that thay are equals to the standards followed by the west and Japan.... If you learn management you will be coming across the case studies on quality and development in Japanese and Chinese corporations
Lol, bro I study International management (major in US University) and I don't need you or others telling me about Quality control of China and Japan, I live in US and mostly all the products I own are "Made in China". And I also never had any problems with them, China doesn't have poor quality products (In the past they might), and recently they have been improving substantially you should pick up Beijing Review in your school if they carry it and other US magazines it talks alot of China' products and developments, they might not be up to tech specs with the westerners' but they do produce good products, "that get the job done". Hence, why China' is sufficient in designing and building it's own ships, etc. And no not everything China has is reversed engineered, take the JH-7 for example and their FBC-1 trainer, and their subs, etc.
We wont have Chinese products even if they stick up in our ...... we have had enough with isuues in quality controll and now slowly moving toward westen principles of design and development ....... and who knows maybe Jf 17 mabe a flawed plane .. AK is a low end tank or J 10 had crased extensively during testing .. who knows what .... China dosent have an independent media to critisize nor does Pakistan to reveal such things. we are a democratic country and everything back here is questioned by everyone especially media....
Being a so called democracy doesn't prove anything, your own Govt. asked DRDO to get outside help on the tank so whats the point of questioning if you don't move to heed requests. If JF-17 was flawed it would be where LCA is and it wouldn't have been making turns and twists once it rolled out the factory, about AK well their is going to be AKII we are in close cooperation with GIAT to produce armour for the tank and who knows what other developments will be made Engine and other optics (reported that it might come from Thales) but at least it's not where Arjun is, yes J-10 did crash once but that was years ago, and it was reported on Chinese media.
Just, go to Sinodefence.com and you can see their military hardware they have been producing,
espically their small arms.
and how about the little trainer and light aircraft Folland Gnats shooting down your planes in 1971...
And your point is?
Weren't we talking about Chinese products that you called low quality?
We can afford to .. we have the cash and the means.. our adversery is not a superpower ... China aint gonna invade us nor are we...... you are just a pawn in Chinese hands against India and so they will fight India ti the last Pakistani.... and as far as pakistan as an adversary ... well we can afford to wait ...The whole world from israel to america to Russia are willing to supply us ...
lol, what a moronic comment last time I checked Pakistan fought 3 wars with it's own free will not for China, lol, learn your history "son" Pakistan also has friends to supply her China, and ME nations boasting about your supply lines is nothing. Hell, we even have tribal s making RPGs and bullets, rifles and hand guns existing and custom designed, which are also exported outside according to IDEAs '06, they earned about $13-16 million dollars a year, lol.
Since, you talking about Pawns we can then say India is just a pawn in US hands to use against China...see I don't want to get involved in these childish arguments but talk with facts, etc. Your making comments like I used to make when I was 16 years old that was like 6 years ago for me, lol.
Guess, what i am trying to tell here!!!
