New Brahmos Test Fails

[Moscow]

friends i fail to understand one thing
in the day when news of the test were made available the indian members of the forum started jumping up and down all over.
now that reports of it failing to meet the parameters has being made available the the pakistani members are jumping up and down.


guys cant all of us get over this VS syndrome.
come on in all my post i questioned the tiiming and signifance of this test.i personally never supported this at this point of time. Now similarly i am not supporting all those who are all over the place its the immaturity within us thats having the better of us it seems.

the report. as quoted by AM clearly states:-"BrahMos is a unique missile, which has been tested flawlessly almost 20 times till now. On Tuesday, we were test-firing it with a new guidance scheme...it was not successful.
i am never trying to justify the test but with cool mind if you try and analyse you will find its a new platform that has failed reportedly., and its not the original missile.

so downright casting the missile as a failure is untrue, as it points out it was successfully tested 20 times.

P.S>---to all my friends the BRAHMOS is a russian platform and the world knows the capability of the russian missiles there is no secret about it, the russian ICBMS are supposedly the best in the world but recent bulava tests failed 5 times in a row does it mean its a failure?

thanx

 

[Moscow]

No you do not understand Moscow, Babur has never failed.

sir its again the VS syndrome isnt it.
i know babur is a very capable missile and it has never failed so it should be a postitive development.
thnx

 

[nitesh]

moscow, you can see by the link posted by AM, they were testinf some new techs like new guidance mechanism and now "nuclear tipped". Hmm interesting development.

And later it writes "Aims of a LACM with 1500 km of range". Is it implying the BrahMos range is more then 300km?

 

[asaad-ul-islam]

BrahMos missile test fails after early 'success'-India
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NEW DELHI: The Army's endeavour to induct the BrahMos supersonic cruise missile as "a precision-strike weapon" took a hit on Tuesday, with the missile failing to achieve laid-down parameters in a test.

This comes at a time when the Pakistan Army is galloping ahead in inducting its nuclear-capable Babur land-attack cruise missile (LACM) - developed with China's help to have a strike range of over 500 km - in large numbers into its arsenal.

Initially, the BrahMos LACM test from the Pokhran field firing range at 10.23am on Tuesday was touted as "successful" by defence ministry officials. But later in the day, this newspaper learnt that it had been quite unsuccessful.

Top defence officials were, however, still reluctant to dub the test, which was witnessed by Army chief General Deepak Kapoor, as "a complete failure".

"BrahMos is a unique missile, which has been tested flawlessly almost 20 times till now. On Tuesday, we were test-firing it with a new guidance scheme...it was not successful. Further trials are required," said an official, reluctant to say anything more.

Sources said it was likely that the BrahMos missile, which flies at a speed of 2.8 Mach, tested on Tuesday had been configured to carry a nuclear warhead rather than a conventional one.

The Army already has missile groups to handle the 150-km Prithvi, 700-800-km Agni-I and 2000-km-plus Agni-II ballistic missiles, which are nuclear-capable.

On its part, Army has ordered two BrahMos regiments in the first phase at a cost of Rs 8,352 crore, with 134 missiles, 10 road-mobile autonomous launchers on 12x12 Tatra vehicles, four mobile command posts and the like, said sources.

The Navy, in turn, has ordered 49 BrahMos firing units at a cost of Rs 711 crore for now. All the tests of the BrahMos naval version, both anti-ship and land-attack ones, have been successful till now.

BrahMos was even fired successfully from a vertical launcher - the earlier tests were from "inclined" launchers - fitted on Rajput-class destroyer INS Ranvir in Bay of Bengal last month.

The "universal vertical launcher" is significant since it imparts the missile system with some stealth as well as the capability to be fired in any direction. It also paves the way for the integration of BrahMos missiles on submarines.

Even as India and Russia begin preliminary work on a "hypersonic" BrahMos-2 missile capable of flying at a speed between 5 and 7 Mach, two Indian Sukhoi-30MKI fighters have also been sent to Russia for integration with BrahMos' air-launched version.

The armed forces' eventual plan, of course, is to have nuclear-tipped LACMs, with strike ranges in excess of 1,500 km. Unlike ballistic missiles, cruise missiles do not leave the atmosphere and are powered and guided throughout their flight path.

Cruise missiles, which can evade enemy radars and air defence systems since they fly at low altitudes, are also much cheaper as well as more accurate and easier to operate.

 

[asaad-ul-islam]

Russia reneging on transferring Brahmos technology​

After Russia back-pedalled on transferring technology for the production here of the T-90main battle tank (MBT), a hiatus seems to have emerged over transferring "total" technology for the BrahMos supersonic cruise missile that Russia is jointly developing with India.

"We have not got full technology for the transfer of the (missile's) engines," C.G. Krishnadas Nair, a former chairman of state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), said at a seminar here that Defence Minister A.K. Antony inaugurated.

"We must have access to total technology. This denial is a serious matter," Nair, who is the founder-chairman of Society of Defence Technologists (SODET), maintained.

"No one should hold the other to ransom," he contended, clearly implying that Russia was holding back the technology for the missile's engine.

SODET brings together technologists of defence public sector undertakings, ordnance factory boards and military inspection establishments.

Nair was delivering the keynote address at the SODET-sponsored two-day national seminar on Defence R&D and Technology Management.

The defence minister refused to be drawn into the issue.

"What can I say? I have only just heard this," Antony told IANS on the sidelines of the seminar.

However, A. Sivathanu Pillai, CEO of BrahMos Aerospace that manufactures the missile, disagreed with Nair's contention.

"This is a joint venture. So, there's no question of transfer of technology. Russia manufactures the engines, we manufacture the guidance system and integrate the two," Pillai said.

"Transfer of technology occurs if the technology is purchased," he added.

India's Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) and Russia's NPO Mashinostroyenia have jointly developed the BrahMos, which is named after the Bramaputra and the Moskova, the two major rivers of India and Russia respectively.

Work on the project began in 1998 and the missile was first test fired on Dec 22, 2004. BrahMos is a two-stage missile with a solid propellant booster and a liquid propellant ram jet system that gives it a 300-km range.

The Indian Army is currently preparing to operationalise at least one regiment of the BrahMos missile mounted on a mobile launcher. The triple-barrelled launcher is capable of firing the missile singly or in salvos of two or three.

The Indian Navy has also accepted the BrahMos missile system with an advanced fire control system for its warships. Work is also progressing on an Indian Air Force version that will be delivered from the Sukhoi SU-30MKI platform.

As for the T-90, Indian Army chief Gen. Deepak Kapoor has admitted that Russia's delays in the technology transfer had pushed back its production here.

"Transfer of technology is a complex process due to different perceptions on either side on what exactly this involves. There have been delays but in the long run, the transfer will take place and indigenous production of the tank will commence," he said earlier this.

India had purchased 310 of the tanks in 2001 and was to produce under licence another 1,000 T-90s. However, delays in the technology transfer prompted India to sign a contract with Russia in 2006 for 347 tanks to ensure adequate force levels.

 

[ejaz007]

US Tomahawk and Pakistan's Babur are subsonic cruise missiles while Brahmos is supersonic.

How much an effect does speed has on the accuracy of the missile. Perhaps it is difficult for a supersonic missile to guide as accurately as a subsonic missile would do.

Perhaps a novice question but one that came to my mind.

 

[ahmeddsid]

sir its again the VS syndrome isnt it.
i know babur is a very capable missile and it has never failed so it should be a postitive development.
thnx

20 flawless tests and one not so successful one. How many times have Babur been tested? Anyways back to an off topic comment,

The whole world knows that India wont give up Kashmir. If you are calling India a Rogue nation among the world nations, then I see that its your own feeling, and not that of the UN or WOrld Powers! If India was Rogue, Then there would be no nuke deal I believe!

Kashmir- the land is not worth anything to anybody, same case for the people, its just WATER!

 

[nitesh]

US Tomahawk and Pakistan's Babur are subsonic cruise missiles while Brahmos is supersonic.

How much an effect does speed has on the accuracy of the missile. Perhaps it is difficult for a supersonic missile to guide as accurately as a subsonic missile would do.

Perhaps a novice question but one that came to my mind.

Ezaz BrahMos is known for it's accuracy

 

[ejaz007]

Ezaz BrahMos is known for it's accuracy

I am not doubting Brahmos accuracy or capabilities.

My question is does speed has any adverse effect on accuracy?

 

[nitesh]

I am not doubting Brahmos accuracy or capabilities.

My question is does speed has any adverse effect on accuracy?

Answer is NO. The only thing it effects is that in case if it has to do any maneuver then it bleeds lot of energy. So unlike the sub sonic missiles whihc can do course correction over long ranges very often. This option is limited in BrahMos. Like an "S" maneuver.

 

[binzaman]

NEW DELHI: The Army's endeavour to induct the BrahMos supersonic cruise missile as "a precision-strike weapon" took a hit on Tuesday, with the
missile failing to achieve laid-down parameters in a test.

This comes at a time when the Pakistan Army is galloping ahead in inducting its nuclear-capable Babur land-attack cruise missile (LACM) - developed with China's help to have a strike range of over 500 km - in large numbers into its arsenal.

Initially, the BrahMos LACM test from the Pokhran field firing range at 10.23am on Tuesday was touted as "successful" by defence ministry officials. But later in the day, this newspaper learnt that it had been quite unsuccessful.

Top defence officials were, however, still reluctant to dub the test, which was witnessed by Army chief General Deepak Kapoor, as "a complete failure".

"BrahMos is a unique missile, which has been tested flawlessly almost 20 times till now. On Tuesday, we were test-firing it with a new guidance scheme...it was not successful. Further trials are required," said an official, reluctant to say anything more.

Sources said it was likely that the BrahMos missile, which flies at a speed of 2.8 Mach, tested on Tuesday had been configured to carry a nuclear warhead rather than a conventional one.

The Army already has missile groups to handle the 150-km Prithvi, 700-800-km Agni-I and 2000-km-plus Agni-II ballistic missiles, which are nuclear-capable.

On its part, Army has ordered two BrahMos regiments in the first phase at a cost of Rs 8,352 crore, with 134 missiles, 10 road-mobile autonomous launchers on 12x12 Tatra vehicles, four mobile command posts and the like, said sources.

The Navy, in turn, has ordered 49 BrahMos firing units at a cost of Rs 711 crore for now. All the tests of the BrahMos naval version, both anti-ship and land-attack ones, have been successful till now.

BrahMos was even fired successfully from a vertical launcher - the earlier tests were from "inclined" launchers - fitted on Rajput-class destroyer INS Ranvir in Bay of Bengal last month.

The "universal vertical launcher" is significant since it imparts the missile system with some stealth as well as the capability to be fired in any direction. It also paves the way for the integration of BrahMos missiles on submarines.

Even as India and Russia begin preliminary work on a "hypersonic" BrahMos-2 missile capable of flying at a speed between 5 and 7 Mach, two Indian Sukhoi-30MKI fighters have also been sent to Russia for integration with BrahMos' air-launched version.

The armed forces' eventual plan, of course, is to have nuclear-tipped LACMs, with strike ranges in excess of 1,500 km. Unlike ballistic missiles, cruise missiles do not leave the atmosphere and are powered and guided throughout their flight path.

Cruise missiles, which can evade enemy radars and air defence systems since they fly at low altitudes, are also much cheaper as well as more accurate and easier to operate.

BrahMos missile test fails after early 'success'-India-The Times of India

 

[Flintlock]

"BrahMos is a unique missile, which has been tested flawlessly almost 20 times till now. On Tuesday, we were test-firing it with a new guidance scheme...it was not successful. Further trials are required," said an official, reluctant to say anything more.

New guidance scheme...

 

[Luftwaffe]

binzaman i have a question....Is babur made with the help of China???why than china doesn't have a 500 km cruise missile??

 

[Luftwaffe]

brahmos is a capable platform i doubt if its a failure it is tested by russians many a times.

 

[binzaman]

brahmos is a capable platform i doubt if its a failure it is tested by russians many a times.

Bro! it is indian report, so the purpose to share the info about the brahmos's failure. About Babar the whole world knows that its Pakistani product .