Neptune Subsonic Cruise Missiles hit S-400 ADS

[Foinikas]

Then it's possible to destroy S400 with swarm attack by 90 SCALP Missiles at the same time


Turkiye needs 6 KORKUT SPAAGs .. 6 HISAR-O Launchers with 36 missiles and 6 GOKDEMIR launchers with 48 missiles to intercept 90 SCALP Missiles


also in a conflict , 4 AKINCI UCAVs armed with 32 GOKDOGAN air to air missiles can stand in the air 24/7 for air launched defense capability to protect S400s



Greece needs 3.240 SCALP Missiles to destroy 36 S400 launchers ,,, if Greece use swarm attacks by 90 SCALP mssiles


even France has only 500 SCALP Missiles and 1 SCALP Missile = $2,5 million


on the other hand
Turkish SIMSEK , IHA-230 , KUZGUN-TJ , KEMANKES are cost effective weapons = $50.000 - $100.000

Greece is getting Rampage and SPICE. With a few Rafale you could theoretically take out the S-400s. If you think it's not possible,then you are underestimating us.

American fairy tales from LEGEND

From Legend? These come from dependable sources with verified evidence. With facts. Unlike your usual Turkish MoD and pro-AKP media and Turkish defence blogs.

For 6 pages you have again been proving to everyone,that you are not here to discuss. It's either what you say or nothing. You're extremely difficult in accepting a version different than yours.

 

[Foinikas]

and GAME OVER !
Other S300s and PATRIOTs can not coverage Greek Islands which are 3-10-30 km away from Turkish mainland

Oh that's why you need the 100 simsek? To take the islands close to Turkey? You don't even need them. Most of the islands next to Turkey are not covered by Patriot AA systems LIKE I SHOWED YOU ON THE MAP WHICH YOU IGNORED COMPLETELY.

They only have some SHORADS and VSHORADS and small garrisons. You can just send a few ships. But our Navy and Air Force will not let you take them without casualties.

 

[MMM-E]

Greece is getting Rampage and SPICE. With a few Rafale you could theoretically take out the S-400s. If you think it's not possible,then you are underestimating us.

Greece buys many weapon systems for 2028 to change balance of power


but Turkiye is not sleeping

Turkish S400s has 250-380 km Missiles to block RAFALEs and F-16s

100-150 km Rampage and SPICE are not enough


also Turkiye tested 150+ km SIPER Block-2 air defense missile

air launched variant with range of 250+ km for using by Turkish F-16s

and there will be 250+ km SIPER block-2 with booster

And in 2023 everybody will see first test videos of 200+ km GOKHAN ramjet powered long range air to air missile to make Turkish F-16s very lethal platforms

Also , KIZILELMA unmanned stealth Fighter Jet is coming to carry 100+ km GOKDOGAN air to air missiles in internal weapon bays for stealth flight capability

Also 20 KAAN Fighter Jets will be delivered to the Turkish Air Force as of 2028


until 2028 , Turkiye will become more than a match for Greece ... not even close

 

[Foinikas]

Greece buys many weapon systems for 2028 to change balance of power


but Turkiye is not sleeping

Turkish S400s has 250-380 km Missiles to block RAFALEs and F-16s

100-150 km Rampage and SPICE are not enough


also Turkiye tested 150+ km SIPER Block-2 air defense missile

air launched variant with range of 250+ km for using by Turkish F-16s
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and there will be 250+ km SIPER block-2 with booster
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And in 2023 everybody will see first test videos of 200+ km GOKHAN ramjet powered long range air to air missile to make Turkish F-16s very lethal platforms

Also , KIZILELMA unmanned stealth Fighter Jet is coming to carry 100+ km GOKDOGAN air to air missiles in internal weapon capability for stealth flight capability


until 2025 , Turkiye will become more than a match for Greece ... not even close

So you continue to repost the same photos and same shit you talk about endlessly in every thread.

I wonder what you're even doing on this forum. You don't accept anyone else's opinion.

 

[Beny Karachun]

Then it's possible to destroy S400 with swarm attack by 90 SCALP Missiles at the same time


Turkiye needs 6 KORKUT SPAAGs .. 6 HISAR-O Launchers with 36 missiles and 6 GOKDEMIR launchers with 48 missiles to intercept 90 SCALP Missiles


also in a conflict , 4 AKINCI UCAVs armed with 32 GOKDOGAN air to air missiles can stand in the air 24/7 for air launched defense capability to protect S400s



Greece needs 3.240 SCALP Missiles to destroy 36 Turkish S400 launchers ,,, if Greece use swarm attacks by 90 SCALP mssiles


even France has only 500 SCALP Missiles and 1 SCALP Missile = $2,5 million


on the other hand
Turkish SIMSEK , IHA-230 , KUZGUN-TJ , KEMANKES are cost effective weapons = $50.000 - $100.000

Your calculation is wrong.
It's not 90 missiles per launcher. It's 90 missiles per battery (might be less missiles than that as well).

Your view of the battlefield is very one dimensional.

Greece buys many weapon systems for 2028 to change balance of power


but Turkiye is not sleeping

Turkish S400s has 250-380 km Missiles to block RAFALEs and F-16s

100-150 km Rampage and SPICE are not enough


also Turkiye tested 150+ km SIPER Block-2 air defense missile

air launched variant with range of 250+ km for using by Turkish F-16s
View attachment 954534
and there will be 250+ km SIPER block-2 with booster
View attachment 954535


And in 2023 everybody will see first test videos of 200+ km GOKHAN ramjet powered long range air to air missile to make Turkish F-16s very lethal platforms

Also , KIZILELMA unmanned stealth Fighter Jet is coming to carry 100+ km GOKDOGAN air to air missiles in internal weapon capability for stealth flight capability


until 2025 , Turkiye will become more than a match for Greece ... not even close

Those ranges don't matter, it's all about no-escape radius. A jet can fire munition from 150km away and never be under threat from 150km ranged SAM

 

[MMM-E]

They only have some SHORADS and VSHORADS and small garrisons. You can just send a few ships. But our Navy and Air Force will not let you take them without casualties.

Your Navy will be destroyed by Turkish land - air launched missiles/guided munitions ATMACA , CAKIR , SOM , IHA-230 , KUZGUN-TJ , TOLUN-IIR , KGK-LR


And Your Air Force can not cross even the 25th meridian , when Turkiye complete great A-2 / AD capability until 2025

-- 250-380 km S400 AD System
-- 150-250 km SIPER AD System

234 F-16s
And KIZILELMA unmanned stealth Fighter Jets

 

[Foinikas]

Your Navy will be destroyed by Turkish land - air launched missiles ATMACA , CAKIR , SOM , IHA-230 , KUZGUN-TJ , KGK-LR


And Your Air Force can not cross even the 25th meridian , when Turkiye complete great A-2 / AD capability until 2025

-- 250-380 km S400 AD System
-- 150-250 km SIPER AD System

234 F-16s
And KIZILELMA unmanned stealth Fighter Jets

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Ok General,what are you doing here on PDF? You are wasting your talent.

 

[MMM-E]

Your calculation is wrong.
It's not 90 missiles per launcher. It's 90 missiles per battery (might be less missiles than that as well).

90 SCALP for per battery ? .... Turkiye is not weak Greece

As I said , S400s will not be alone


Turkish KORKUT , SUNGUR , GURZ , GOKDEMIR , HISAR-A/O will protect S400s from Cruise Missiles

also in a conflict , 4 AKINCI UCAVs armed with 32 GOKDOGAN air to air missiles can stand in the air 24/7 for air launched defense capability to protect S400s from Cruise Missiles

Those ranges don't matter, it's all about no-escape radius. A jet can fire munition from 150km away and never be under threat from 150km ranged SAM

Problem will be for You

Turkish S400 has 240 km 48N6E3 Missile with speed of mach 5,9

also 250+ km Turkish SIPER Block2 air defense missile with booster is coming


Network Centric Warfare
Turkish Air Force 4 Boeing E-7T AEWCs with 600 km MESA Radar to detect F-16s from 380 km away

and 250+ km Turkish SIPER Block2 air defense missile with booster to turn Greek F-16s into scrap of metal


Better worry about how Greek F-16s will survive against upcoming Turkish Air Force

-- 250-380 km S400 AD System
-- 150-250+ km SIPER AD System

234 F-16s
And KIZILELMA unmanned stealth Fighter Jets


250+ km SIPER AD Systems + 450 km ERALP AESA Radar + Boeing E-7T AEWCs with 600 km MESA Radar will be more lethal and capable than S400 with stand alone mode

 

[LeGenD]

Russia needs cost effective weapons for swarm attack to hit Ukranian PATRIOTs
instead of very expensive KINZHAL Missile ( $10 million ) or ISKANDER Missile ( $3 million ) or KALIBR Missile ( min $1 million )


Ukraine doesnt have Air Force -- Fighter Jets ... still pathetic Russian Air Force sucks in Ukraine

Turkish or Israeli Air Force would have completed the task for KIEV



Pathetic Russia fired 560 missiles and drones = $1,7 billion ( very expensive missiles )

Turkiye can produce 17.000 KEMANKES , SIMSEK , KUZGUN-TJ , TOLUN-IIR , KGK-LR , IHA-230 for $1,7 billion to turn all Ukranian Forces including PATRIOTs into scrap of metal ..... ( cost effective solution )

Patriot system in Kyiv defeated the entire strike package composed of advanced standoff munitions and cheap drones on May 16.

Kh-47M2 Kinzhal hypersonic missile = 6
Iskander-M quasi-ballistic missile = 3
3M54-1 Kaliber cruise missile = 9
Shahed-136 Kamikazi drones = undisclosed count but said to be numerous

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Cost is but one factor.
Range is important.
Precision is important.
Payload is important.
Strategy is important.
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S-400 system in Crimea failed to defeat a much smaller strike package of cruise missiles and cheap drones on August 23.

Unknown drones = undisclosed count
S-360 Neptune cruise missile = 2

The drones were used to attack radar systems followed by cruise missiles that were used to attack launcher(s) of the S-400 system.

Ukraineâs Security Service and Navy conduct unique special operation near Yevpatoria

The military counterintelligence of the Security Service of Ukraine and the Navy of Ukraine conducted a unique special operation near Yevpatoria on the night of 13-14 September, destroying a Russian Triumf air defence system, worth US$1.2 billion.

www.pravda.com.ua

S-400 system was linked to other air defense system as well:

The S-400 was protected by a short range air defense (SHORAD) KBP Tula Pantsir-S1/2 (SA-22) that was supposed to have been datalinked to the S-400’s radar. However, both the S-400 and Pantsir radars appear to have failed to detect the Neptune, and the SHORAD system was not able to bring it down. This mirrors an episode from earlier this summer when a Pantsir was unable to bring down MBDA Storm Shadow missiles even at point blank range. Moscow has lost at least 18 Pantsir units since the beginning of the war, per open source tracking.

What an S-400 kill and a spec ops raid reveal about Ukraine's ability to hit Russia - Breaking Defense

According to Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council Oleksiy Danilov, the Neptune preformed “flawlessly” during the Aug. 23 attack on a Russian Almaz-Antei S-400 “Triumf” air and missile defense complex.

breakingdefense.com

All of that failed.

You can do anything in theory of-course. You mention numbers that do not even exist. One cannot beat exaggerated claims.

PAC-3 interceptors are small and compact - these can take out tiny quadcopters as well.

You look at things in isolation. You might be up against layered defenses that actually work in a NATO member state. This includes Air Force.

 

[MMM-E]

Kh-47M2 Kinzhal hypersonic missile = 6
Iskander-M quasi-ballistic missile = 3
3M54-1 Kaliber cruise missile = 9
Shahed-136 Kamikazi drones = undisclosed count but said to be numerous

According to Ukranians
On the night of 15-16 May
The Russians fired 18 missiles and 6 Iranian-made Shahed-136/131 drones on multiple targets in Kiev

That was not swarm attack on PATRIOT AD Systems


Still you are talking American-Ukranian tales from Ekonomichna Pravda, citing information by the Ukrainian Air Force



I am talking about directly swarm attack on PATRIOT AD System by low flying Cruise Missiles and smart Kamikaze Drones such as SIMSEK , KEMANKES , KUZGUN-TJ and IHA-230 supersonic Missiles

Quantity will always win .. 32 PATRIOT Missiles versus 50-100 Cruise Missiles and smart Kamikaze Drones

Russia doesnt have this cost effective capability

1 -- Turkish Kamikaze Drones and mini Cruise Missiles are far cheaper ( $50.000 - $100.000 ) than a $2 million Patriot missile

KINZHAL Missile = $10 million
ISKANDER Missile = $3 million
KALIBR Missile = $1 million


2 -- Russia used high flying Ballistic Missiles

Turkish Kamikaze Drones and mini Cruise Missiles have small radar signatures and can fly close to the ground, sharply reducing the detection range

They also are easy to maneuver, allowing them to hit the coverage gaps between Radars and PATRIOT batteries.


For PATRIOT AD System
Air attacks by low-flying kamikaze drones and cruise missiles are more lethal than high flying Ballistic Missiles and Fighter Jets

 

[MMM-E]

All of that failed.
You can do anything in theory of-course. You mention numbers that do not even exist. One cannot beat exaggerated claims.
PAC-3 interceptors are small and compact - these can take out tiny quadcopters as well.
You look at things in isolation. You might be up against layered defenses that actually work in a NATO member state. This includes Air Force.

NATO Member Turkiye is not Pathetic Russia which lacks smart Kamikaze Drones , cost effective mini cruise missiles and long range guided Bombs

and 100 SIMSEK , KEMANKES , KUZGUN-TJ and IHA-230s are not exaggerated claim

Quantity will always win .. 32 PATRIOT Missiles versus 50-100 Cruise Missiles and smart Kamikaze Drones



and Greece's AD Systems can not stop the Turkish Armed Forces now

Daydreamers still living in 2000s
in 2000s Turkish Armed Forces had almost nothing against Greek PATRIOTs and S300s

Now Turkiye has everything from Ballistic Missiles to Kamikaze Drones and from Cruise Missiles to long range guided munitions


except USA , Other NATO Countries only can dream about great Turkish fire power

TRG-300
YILDIRIM
BORA
TAYFUN
SOM
ATMACA
CAKIR
KEMANKES
IHA-230
SIMSEK
SUPER SIMSEK
KARGI
AZAB
TOLUN-IIR
KUZGUN-TJ
KGK-LR

Also CENK , GEZGIN , AKBABA Missiles on the way

also Turkiye has 500+ ATACMS , SLAM-ER , HARM , JSOW , POPEYE and HARPOON Block2 missiles

Greece doesnt have even 500 PATRIOT Missiles

 

[Foinikas]

The S-400 was protected by a short range air defense (SHORAD) KBP Tula Pantsir-S1/2 (SA-22) that was supposed to have been datalinked to the S-400’s radar. However, both the S-400 and Pantsir radars appear to have failed to detect the Neptune, and the SHORAD system was not able to bring it down. This mirrors an episode from earlier this summer when a Pantsir was unable to bring down MBDA Storm Shadow missiles even at point blank range. Moscow has lost at least 18 Pantsir units since the beginning of the war, per open source tracking.

That's a huge fiasco for Russian Air Defence. After all the lessons from Syria and Libya,the modifications were not enough,if there were any at all,on the Pantsir and S-400s.

 

[LeGenD]

According to Ukranians
On the night of 15-16 May
The Russians fired 18 missiles and 6 Iranian-made Shahed-136/131 drones on multiple targets in Kiev

That was not swarm attack on PATRIOT AD Systems


Still you are talking American-Ukranian tales from Ekonomichna Pravda, citing information by the Ukrainian Air Force



I am talking about directly swarm attack on PATRIOT AD System by low flying Cruise Missiles and smart Kamikaze Drones such as SIMSEK , KEMANKES , KUZGUN-TJ and IHA-230 supersonic Missiles

Quantity will always win .. 32 PATRIOT Missiles versus 50-100 Cruise Missiles and smart Kamikaze Drones
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Russia doesnt have this cost effective capability

1 -- Turkish Kamikaze Drones and mini Cruise Missiles are far cheaper ( $50.000 - $100.000 ) than a $2 million Patriot missile

KINZHAL Missile = $10 million
ISKANDER Missile = $3 million
KALIBR Missile = $1 million


2 -- Russia used high flying Ballistic Missiles

Turkish Kamikaze Drones and mini Cruise Missiles have small radar signatures and can fly close to the ground, sharply reducing the detection range

They also are easy to maneuver, allowing them to hit the coverage gaps between Radars and PATRIOT batteries.


For PATRIOT AD System
Air attacks by low-flying kamikaze drones and cruise missiles are more lethal than high flying Ballistic Missiles and Fighter Jets

I have already pointed out to you by citing multiple sources that the strike package on May 16 was aimed to destroy Patriot systems in Kyiv.

Patriot system is not a small air defense system with a single launcher but a network of launchers and radar systems that can be spread out in a geographical sector. Attacking a Patriot system = attacking multiple targets.

Kaliber cruise missiles = low flying cruise missiles. 9 out of 9 were shot down on May 16. This is very impressive.

Shahed-136 = low flying kamikazi drones. All were shot down on May 16. These drones have slipped through defenses in various sectors of Ukraine at times. This is a case study in its own right - Russians were using these drones to devastating effect in Ukraine before NATO provided sophisticated defense systems to counter these drones in some sectors including Kyiv.

Ukrainian defenses are still underdeveloped for a country of its size in view of the odds it is up against.

Yes, quantity is a factor. Solution is to create a network of Patriot systems with overlapping intercept zones. Then add additional layers of defenses and make Patriot systems talk to these defenses. Air Force can be very useful as well. Ukraine has demonstrated these capabilities in Kyiv - this is why so many missiles and drones are shot down in this sector.

US offered Patriot systems and F-35 to Turkey. But Erdogan chose S-400 due to politics instead. Granted that Turkey and US have tensions but US continues to offer good stuff to Turkey due to its NATO membership. I am happy that Turkey is developing its own stuff now but it is wise to accept proven technologies and strive for good bilateral relations with those who offer them.

Russia benefits from breaking NATO, but Russia does not offer technology that can match NATO standards. Bad substitute for countries who are looking forward to challenge advanced armies.

 

[MMM-E]

Patriot system is not a small air defense system with a single launcher but a network of launchers and radar systems that can be spread out in a geographical sector. Attacking a Patriot system = attacking multiple targets.

Attack on PATRIOT Radars will be enough ...

Greek Island Skyros hosts 1 PATRIOT Battery and so easy to destroy it

Kaliber cruise missiles = low flying cruise missiles. 9 out of 9 were shot down on May 16. This is very impressive.

KALIBR doesnt have low flying capability below 5-10 m

KALIBR has flight altitude of 50 - 150 m

And 9 is not large number

Shahed-136 = low flying kamikazi drones. These drones have slipped through various defenses numerous types in war. This is a case study in its own right - Russians were using these drones to devastating effect in Ukraine before NATO provided sophisticated defense systems.

Shaded-136 is low speed shit for terror attacks on civilian areas

Military and Strategic targets protected by Air Defense Systems

Even Turkish SUNGUR MANPADS or KORKUT SPAAG easly can shoot down Shaded-136 which her voice can be heard from hundreds of meters away

 

[Foinikas]

I have already pointed out to you by citing multiple sources that the strike package on May 16 was aimed to destroy Patriot systems in Kyiv.

Patriot system is not a small air defense system with a single launcher but a network of launchers and radar systems that can be spread out in a geographical sector. Attacking a Patriot system = attacking multiple targets.

Kaliber cruise missiles = low flying cruise missiles. 9 out of 9 were shot down on May 16. This is very impressive.

Shahed-136 = low flying kamikazi drones. All were shot down on May 16. These drones have slipped through defenses in various sectors of Ukraine at times. This is a case study in its own right - Russians were using these drones to devastating effect in Ukraine before NATO provided sophisticated defense systems to counter these drones in some sectors including Kyiv.

Ukrainian defenses are still underdeveloped for a country of its size in view of the odds it is up against.

Yes, quantity is a factor. Solution is to create a network of Patriot systems with overlapping intercept zones. Then add additional layers of defenses and make Patriot systems talk to these defenses. Air Force can be very useful as well. Ukraine has demonstrated these capabilities in Kyiv - this is why so many missiles and drones are shot down in this sector.

Look,he's brain is blocked into "Greece doesn't have 500 Patriots,Turkey can produce 1,000 Simsek and GAME OVER".

He won't function,you've explained it to him numerous times,I did too,others as well. All I see is a reposting of the same Turkish product advertisements with the same photos and a narration that doesn't go anywhere. It's like a robot that will not accept an alternate explanation and returns to the same command. Greece tiny,Russia pathetic,Iran not developed.

It all returns to "Tiny Greece cannot protect with few Patriots and Turkey has everything".

By the way,concerning your post,the Ukrainians have been given some of the best Western AA systems which performed incredibly well,but the sheer size of that country...that country is so big that not even all that is enough. Especially,like you said,when the Russians are attacking with hundreds of ballistic missiles and UAVs.

NASAMS,IRIS-T they performed way better than expected. Even the Gepard scored some hits on drones and/or missiles.
Meanwhile,Russians couldn't track and shoot down UAVs from Ukraine all the way to Moscow (if they were flown from Ukraine).

Attack on PATRIOT Radars will be enough ...

Greek Island Skyros hosts 1 PATRIOT Battery and so easy to destroy it

You forget that Patriot are guarded by other systems as well.

And I like I mentioned earlier,unlike Ukraine,Greece has a very active Air Force.

You're obsessed with Skyros. You think taking out the AA defence of that island,will give you the Aegean?