NEED FOR PAK MARINES SEPARATE AVIATION WING

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

I am suprised that we have not yet reverse engineered a helicopter engine , which would enable us to make unlimited number of helicopters for Navy and Army

Sea King is ideal helicopter for Rescue mission and carrying weapons we should make it a priority

We are short perhaps 50-70 Navy Helicopter

 

[Aamir Hussain]

I am suprised that we have not yet reverse engineered a helicopter engine , which would enable us to make unlimited number of helicopters for Navy and Army

Sea King is ideal helicopter for Rescue mission and carrying weapons we should make it a priority

We are short perhaps 50-70 Navy Helicopter

PN's Sea Kings's forte is ASW. Secondary role is anti shipping role.

 

[Aamir Hussain]

IMHO Air Mobility is a priority for PN Marines. Eight Armed MI-17 are a good number to work with considering the size of the force. Couple of Light Utility/observation like Fennec would be a good addition. WZ-10 assets should be earmarked for use by PA for Indus Delta region.

Besides seaward and inland defense of Indus delta and Sir Creek , security of Naval Bases/ports (Ormara, Karachi, Gawader, Port Qasim, Mehran, Turbat, Jiwani, Nathia Gali -- The one near Hawks bay, by itself is a tall order for this small force.

If funds permit a possible inclusion into the force would be Dragoon (already under production) for parameter security and base protection. In addition Cougar MRAP's would compliment these IFV's for base security. Armed Riverine Patrol Crafts for Indus Delta and Sir Creek like SURC etc.

Organic ATGW units and Heavy Mortars would be an ideal mix for fighting in marshes. ATGW would not work in their traditional role but as bunker busters and taking out or disabling landing crafts.

Amphibious Tanks such as ZTD -05 or used US AAVP-7A armed with ATGW's.

But helo force for fighting in the marshes is a must provided we have local air superiority. This is where PAF needs to be cognizant of this fact.

 

[black-hawk_101]

I think the Marine Commander should talk with US-Marine Command over possible sale of used:
2-3 LPDs
2-3 LHDs
Tankers
P-3Cs
used Chinooks - Sea Stallions - Sea Hawks - Bell-412 - UH-1 Huey - AH-1 Super Cobras/ may be new A-129 or Tigers
UAVs

Also other new equipment like:
FACs - OPVs - FREMM design ones
Coastal Submarines - Andrasta from France
Hover Crafts

 

[black-hawk_101]

Will ME going to supply funds to PN for buying used USN:
5-7 OHP with upgrade package
6-8 ex-Coast Guard Corvettes with upgrade package
12 Cutter - Additional to the 8 ordered
20 ex-US Marines Sea Stallions
30 ex-USN Sea Hawks

Also for the Pak Marines like equipment from ex-US Marines:
4 LPDs
4 LHDs
10 ex-Coast Guard Corvettes with upgrade package
20 ex-US Marines Sea Stallions
30 ex-US Marines Sea Hawks
30 ex-US Marines Bell-412
30 ex-US Marines Bell UH-1 Huey
50 ex-US Marines AH-1Z Super Cobras

 

[kenyannoobie]

You guys are ruining a good thread with wishful thinking! Why not wish for cloaking devices,photon torpedoes and other Star Trek ish while you're at it!

Take the 2500 man USMC ToE as a guide

Qty Nomenclature Element

4 to 6 AH-1W SuperCobra attack helicopters aviation
6 AV-8B Harrier jet aviation
12 CH-46E Sea Knight medium lift assault helicopter aviation
4 CH-53E Super Stallion heavy lift assault helicopter aviation
2 KC-130 Hercules re-fueler/transport aircraft
Note: usually maintained in the continental United States aviation
3 UH-1N Twin Huey utility helicopter aviation
6 155mm howitzer: M777 ground
15 Assault Amphibious Vehicle ground
8 BGM-71 Tube-Launched, Optically-Tracked, Wire-Guided (TOW) missile weapon system ground
8 FGM-148 Javelin anti-tank missile ground
7 to 16 Light Armored Vehicle ground
4 M1A1 main battle tank ground
8 M252 81mm mortar ground
3 D7 bulldozer logistics
1 LMT 3000 water purification unit logistics
1 Medium Tactical Vehicle Replacement dump truck logistics
4 Mk48 Logistics Vehicle System logistics
2 Reverse Osmosis Water Purification Unit logistics
4 Tractor, Rubber Tire, Articulated Steering logistics
2 TX51-19M Rough Terrain Forklift logistics
7 500 gallon water containers multiple
63 Humvee multiple
30 Medium Tactical Vehicle Replacement trucks multiple

Bear in mind these are 2500 guys and while its a typically tech and logistically heavy American formation its primary function is expeditionary warfare,ie an independent expeditionary force,with organic air/combat engineering/armour and arty which is the primary purpose of any Marine unit. Base your PMEF on them. To be realistic give yourselves a reasonable timeline,maybe 5 years. No government will throw some 5 bn $ at the Navy and say "here,nigga,go buy a marine expeditionary force!"

 

[Abingdonboy]

Too many here seem to be conjuring up delusions of raising a USMC-like force for Pakistan but are yet to justify the need of such a force for Pakistan. Is Pakistan going to become a global player that needs to project power around the world? Is Pakistan going to be invading India in an amphibious assault?

The Pak marines seem to be an entirely inward looking coastal security force, NOT an offensive expeditionary unit as many here are imagining.

 

[Thəorətic Muslim]

I think the Marine Commander should talk with US-Marine Command over possible sale of used:
2-3 LPDs
2-3 LHDs
Tankers
P-3Cs
used Chinooks - Sea Stallions - Sea Hawks - Bell-412 - UH-1 Huey - AH-1 Super Cobras/ may be new A-129 or Tigers
UAVs

Also other new equipment like:
FACs - OPVs - FREMM design ones
Coastal Submarines - Andrasta from France
Hover Crafts

Are you planning for the Pakistan Marines to carry out an amphibious assault on Mumbai or Goa? Or are you conjuring dreams of conquering Dhaka?

Unless Pakistan is deciding to join the Arabian Gulf Joint Military Command, where it will be necessary for it to have an Expeditionary Force, even the amount of money you're going to spend on this equipment Pakistan will be better off buying the SU-35s the defense experts on this forum want.

Allow the primary military branches, Army/ Air Force/ Navy have the weapons they urgently need and then talk about the equipment the secondary forces should have.

 

[Zarvan]

Are you planning for the Pakistan Marines to carry out an amphibious assault on Mumbai or Goa? Or are you conjuring dreams of conquering Dhaka?

Unless Pakistan is deciding to join the Arabian Gulf Joint Military Command, where it will be necessary for it to have an Expeditionary Force, even the amount of money you're going to spend on this equipment Pakistan will be better off buying the SU-35s the defense experts on this forum want.

Allow the primary military branches, Army/ Air Force/ Navy have the weapons they urgently need and then talk about the equipment the secondary forces should have.

Eventually we should go for this strategy Mumbai and Goa should be the targets and Marines should be trained for offensive war

 

[Thəorətic Muslim]

Eventually we should go for this strategy Mumbai and Goa should be the targets and Marines should be trained for offensive war

There is reality and delusion.

 

[Zarvan]

There is reality and delusion.

Don't worry it would be a reality really very soon

 

[black-hawk_101]

Eventually we should go for this strategy Mumbai and Goa should be the targets and Marines should be trained for offensive war

You are 100% right. LPDs and LHDs are a great need for Pak Marines.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Don't worry it would be a reality really very soon

You're an aspiring comedian, right?

 

[Spectre]

Eventually we should go for this strategy Mumbai and Goa should be the targets and Marines should be trained for offensive war

I like Zarvan, there is not a dishonest bone in his body. Keep it up!!

We will have such a nice party in Goa with your Marines they will not want to go back to boring old Pakistan. The sun, the sand, the booze, all night music, the 72 girls (can't vouch for virginity) - just like heaven!!

 

[Thəorətic Muslim]

the 72 girls (can't vouch for virginity)

72 raisins. There's nothing that says virgins, just some stupid idiots wanting to dilute and dehumanize.