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[Tiger Awan]

The two posts can be compared in a sense that they are directly elected by the assemblies on party representation basis, while president is not.

You side stepped my question, how convenient...ill ask again though, will Nawaz Sharif cease to be Party leader? Did Shahbaz Sharif cease to be a party leader? All these people are elected on the basis of their party relations and are representing their party's government and leadership, President is not. He is representing the state, from a neutral PoV.

Speaker symbolizes that his party is leading the running of affairs of the Assembly, if he resigns from party, then how can he be representing his party's leadership and symbolize it?

Fsc ki Pak Studies nhn parhi kia?

such a knowledgeable person, wow

dear go and ask any legislator and he will tell you Speaker never represents a party !!!!

 

[Leader]

Asad Qaiser should resign from his party position.


A Speaker is suppose to be neutral and impartial.. hold no other position except being sleeping MP with no rights in the house to participate unless a tie.

and I would like Pervaiz Khattak to resign from General Secretary position as well, you cannot run the party and the chief minister ship along side..

all focus should be to run his public office..

 

[Jango]

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Same one?

A very well spoken and seemingly knowledgeable woman. And people still cry that where is the youth!

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[Jango]

such a knowledgeable person, wow

dear go and ask any legislator and he will tell you Speaker never represents a party !!!!

He symbolizes the fact that his party is leading the proceedings.

Why do you think people say, 'Hamari party ka speaker hai?'???

Secondly, do you think if a person leaves any position he suddenly becomes impartial?

Zardari left his position on papers, but you really think he isn't leading the party?

A speaker symbolizes his party's position in the Assembly, simple as that.

Article 53:

53 Speaker and Deputy Speaker of National Assembly.
(1) After a general election, the National Assembly shall, at its first meeting and to the exclusion of any other business, elect from amongst its members a Speaker and a Deputy Speaker and, so often as the office of Speaker or Deputy Speaker becomes vacant, the Assembly shall elect another member as Speaker or, as the case may be, Deputy Speaker.

(2) Before entering upon office, a member elected as Speaker or Deputy Speaker shall make before the National Assembly oath in the form set out in the Third Schedule.

(3) When the office of Speaker is vacant, or the Speaker is absent or is unable to perform his functions due to any cause, the Deputy Speaker shall act as Speaker, and if, at that time, the Deputy Speaker is also absent or is unable to act as Speaker due to any cause, such member as may be determined by the rules of procedure of the Assembly shall preside at the meeting of the Assembly.

(4) The Speaker or the Deputy Speaker shall not preside at a meeting of the Assembly when a resolution for his removal from office is being considered.

(5) The Speaker may, by writing under his hand addressed to the President, resign his office.

(6) The Deputy Speaker may, by writing under his hand addressed to the Speaker, resign his office.

(7) The office of Speaker or Deputy Speaker shall become vacant if:
(a) he resigns his office;
(b) he ceases to be a member of the Assembly;
(c) he is removed from office by a resolution of the Assembly, of which not less than seven days' notice has been given and which is passed by the votes of the majority of the total membership of the Assembly.

(8) When the National Assembly is dissolved the Speaker shall continue in his office till the person elected to fill the office by the next Assembly enters upon his office.

Chapter 2: "Majlis-e-Shoora (Parliament)" of Part III: "The Federation of Pakistan"

Where does it say that he should not have dual office?

Andhay teer marna band karo. Show me one piece of law which says that he should not have any relation to his party?

And don't give a one line reply again, either come up with facts or stop polluting the thread.

 

[SBD-3]

What idiocy...you people are really letting go of all common sense that Allah Almighty has bestowed upon you.

Without making things complicated and overloading your brain, let me ask you, will Nawaz Sharif cease to be the PML party leader?

Did Gilani cease to be the PPP leader in Punjab?

Another small example, the writ in SC was for Zardari, not for Gilani or any other PM or other official in National Assembly. Now give me an answer why. That answer will also be the answer of your stupid post.

The Speaker's is the highest office of the National Assembly of Pakistan. The Speaker presides over the Session composed of the people's representatives elected on the basis of universal franchise. The Speaker is second in the line of succession to the President and he occupies fourth position in the Warrant of Precedence, after the President, the Prime Minister and the Chairman of Senate. In addition, the Speaker is the spokesman of the House to the outside world, and is non-partisan in his approach. In order to exercise the great authority that stems from the respect, affection and consideration which every Member of the House bestows upon the holder of this high office, the Speaker shows complete impartiality in the discharge of his functions. When the National Assembly is dissolved he continues in his office, till a new Speaker is elected
Speaker of the National Assembly of Pakistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Furthermore, the speaker actually works in collaboration with President of Pakistan and Chairman for handling the matters of the house. Thus speaker represent federation like the president. And since the post of the president is non-political constitutionally, so is implied for speaker of Assemblies.

The President, after consultation with the Speaker of the National Assembly and the Chairman, may make rules as to the procedure with respect to the joint sittings of, and communications between, the two Houses

Expenditure charged upon Federal Consolidated Fund.
The following expenditure shall be expenditure charged upon the Federal Consolidated Fund:-
(a) the remuneration payable to the President and other expenditure relating to his office, and the remuneration payable to-
(i) the Judges of the Supreme Court 177[and the Islamabad High Court] 177;
(ii) the Chief Election Commissioner;
(iii) the Chairman and the Deputy Chairman;
(iv) the Speaker and the Deputy Speaker of the National Assembly;
(v) the Auditor-General;

Until provision is made by 181[Majlis-e-Shoora (Parliament)] 181 under clause (2), the Speaker or, as the case may be, the Chairman may, with the approval of the President, make 182 rules regulating the recruitment and the conditions of service, of persons appointed to the secretarial staff of the National Assembly or the Senate.

So as to any difference between the provincial and national assembly, apparently constitution does not make any distinction

(b) "Presiding Officer" means the Speaker of the National Assembly, the Chairman of the Senate or the Speaker of the Provincial Assembly, as the case may be.

Chapter 2: "Majlis-e-Shoora (Parliament)" of Part III: "The Federation of Pakistan"

 

[Jango]

Furthermore, the speaker actually works in collaboration with President of Pakistan and Chairman for handling the matters of the house. Thus speaker represent federation like the president. And since the post of the president is non-political constitutionally, so is implied for speaker of Assemblies.





So as to any difference between the provincial and national assembly, apparently constitution does not make any distinction

Chapter 2: "Majlis-e-Shoora (Parliament)" of Part III: "The Federation of Pakistan"

Sir see post 289, nowhere does it say that Speaker should not hold any other office, unlike the clause for the President.

Correct me if I am wrong.

 

[SBD-3]

Sir see post 289, nowhere does it say that Speaker should not hold any other office, unlike the clause for the President.

Correct me if I am wrong.

The point was that speaker is not the representative of party but the representative of federation and since federal responsibilities demand neutrality (leave aside president, even the employees of federal government can't explicitly indulge or have any political affiliation). Thats why it is desired that the holder of federal office will not hold an affiliation with any specific party.

 

[Leader]

The point was that speaker is not the representative of party but the representative of federation and since federal responsibilities demand neutrality (leave aside president, even the employees of federal government can't explicitly indulge or have any political affiliation). Thats why it is desired that the holder of federal office will not hold an affiliation with any specific party.

nuclearpak has a point here. if its not written, but probably the convention suggests so.

 

[ajpirzada]

PM is the leader of the House hence he should resign from his party after getting elected... thats the kind of derivation you guys are using to justify ur flawed point of view.

 

[Tiger Awan]

He symbolizes the fact that his party is leading the proceedings.

Why do you think people say, 'Hamari party ka speaker hai?'???

Secondly, do you think if a person leaves any position he suddenly becomes impartial?

Zardari left his position on papers, but you really think he isn't leading the party?

A speaker symbolizes his party's position in the Assembly, simple as that.



Where does it say that he should not have dual office?

Andhay teer marna band karo. Show me one piece of law which says that he should not have any relation to his party?

And don't give a one line reply again, either come up with facts or stop polluting the thread.

oh threatening ??? that scared

The person who symbolizes party is known as Parliamentary Leader not speaker.

And again giving example of Zardari, just like Pti MPA gave his example in the assembly. Good to see Pti making Zardari their ideal

PM is the leader of the House hence he should resign from his party after getting elected... thats the kind of derivation you guys are using to justify ur flawed point of view.

Every party appoints its parlimentary leader. The leader who can show majority becomes the PM.


When someone compares post of speaker with post of PM it really show how much you know about the procedures of the assembly lol

 

[ajpirzada]

oh threatening ??? that scared

The person who symbolizes party is known as Parliamentary Leader not speaker.

And again giving example of Zardari, just like Pti MPA gave his example in the assembly. Good to see Pti making Zardari their ideal

so what is ur point? Parliamentary Leader not Party Leader hence he should be apolitical as well. only trying to follow ur line of argument... if there is a constitutional requirement for the speaker to be apolitical then he should resign from one of his posts. but there is none, then no one should use derivations to come up with one.

 

[Tiger Awan]

so what is ur point? Parliamentary Leader not Party Leader hence he should be apolitical as well. only trying to follow ur line of argument... if there is a constitutional requirement for the speaker to be apolitical then he should resign from one of his posts. but there is none, then no one should use derivations to come up with one.

Speaker is there to run the affairs of the assembly, he is not there to represent any party!!!!

 

[ajpirzada]

oh threatening ??? that scared

The person who symbolizes party is known as Parliamentary Leader not speaker.

And again giving example of Zardari, just like Pti MPA gave his example in the assembly. Good to see Pti making Zardari their ideal



Every party appoints its parlimentary leader. The leader who can show majority becomes the PM.


When someone compares post of speaker with post of PM it really show how much you know about the procedures of the assembly lol

isnt the speaker elected by the members as well? again.. in the absence of any constitutional requirement, how do u decide who should be political or apolitical?

Speaker is there to run the affairs of the assembly, he is not there to represent any party!!!!

no. PM is there to run the country not to run any party. again, turning ur argument on its head.

 

[Tiger Awan]

isnt the speaker elected by the members as well? again.. in the absence of any constitutional requirement, how do u decide who should be political or apolitical?



no. PM is there to run the country not to run any party. again, turning ur argument on its head.

a certain political party is elected to run the govt, its leader becomes the PM and during assemblies sessions when different members ask questions then either the ministers or the parliamentary leader of that political party answers them and tell them what the govt's vision is. GOD have u ever watched any assembly session ????

 

[ajpirzada]

a certain political party is elected to run the govt, its leader becomes the PM and during assemblies sessions when different members ask questions then either the ministers or the parliamentary leader of that political party answers them and tell them what the govt's vision is. GOD have u ever watched any assembly session ????

dont tell me the process... just tell me why should a 'Parliamentary Leader,' who is not a 'Party Leader,' be not apolitical when u expect the 'speaker' to be apolitical?

as far as ur argument is concerned, 'parliamentary leader of that political party' is itself wrong. parliamentary leader is the leader of the house if u have ever read the constitution!!! just amazing to argue with u.