Naya Housing Scheme

[Indus Pakistan]

On average there are 6-8 people per family so we can say 30-50 million people will get accommodation in the end...which is a lot

6-8 per family = (2 parents, 2-4 kids, 2 grand parents)




Yeah something like that...

There is nothing new about this. Most Western European countries [today China etc] after WW2 in 1950s/60s launched huge public housing projects to house the bottom 30% of the population. This involved mass produced prefab concrete structures that essentially changed almost every face of the towns in Western Europe. Even today they exist and house the poorer sections of society or else they would be living in slums like India.

The best thing about this project. Most inputs or all inputs should come from Pakistan, cement, concrete, labour, basic pipes etc and would help in spurring the local economy without needing foreign exchange or placing massive pressure on imports.

I absolutely hate tall buildings and skyscrapers ...

True. But slums are worse. In a 200 million people country land is a finite resource and like rest of the world we have to build up as opposed to just spreading out which eats land up. Most of Europe has more land then Pakistan but even they build up for their poor segment of population. By building up you can give more space for open roads, parks etc thus having a open, healthy aspect as opposed to slums where there are alleys barely wide enough to walk through.

 

[Azadkashmir]

god not those ugly apartments flats, once a fire starts it goes one way and thats up burning whole building apartment down and people will be trapped.

do not copy - this design it is poor and tight space leads to conflicts between people.

 

[Aumkar Thakur]

Works only for the well off. Public housing is needed for the bottom 30%. That is why you have huge slums in India. No private investor or builder is interested in catering to that demographic and you see the results. In Pakistan huge companies like Bahria are building entire cities but only for well off.

Those living in slums are there by their own choice. Most slums are in city's center, so people don't have to travel a lot to reach their office. Government are not allowing slum resident to make bungalows in these land because those slum land worth billions of dollar and Indian government is selling them to rich real estate company slowly and removing all those illegal occupation.

Privatisation always work, I have never benefited from any government scheme in my entire life.

 

[ALi Rizwan]

An idiotic project from Government nothing more.

Govt. priority should be to facilitate Investment/news businesses and old closed units to create jobs.
These are all secondary projects just like Metros.
Facilitating business sectors to create more jobs is better then giving housing on subsidies rate.

Any thing other then Mega Dams is waste of resources at the moment. DAMS are our basic need. its a matter of life and death.

Its a shame that on One hand Govt. is giving Medium size dams to foreign companies and on other hands no response to local business communities who advised govt. instead of begging make them investors.

 

[war&peace]

True. But slums are worse. In a 200 million people country land is a finite resource and like rest of the world we have to build up as opposed to just spreading out which eats land up. Most of Europe has more land then Pakistan but even they build up for their poor segment of population. By building up you can give more space for open roads, parks etc thus having a open, healthy aspect as opposed to slums where there are alleys barely wide enough to walk through.

I don't like the stress on the poor..no not really ...there are many luxury apartments in every part of the world ... In London a pent house can cost multi million pounds same goes for Stockholm, NYC, Dubai, Singapore, Hong Kong. A well planned apartment can be as comfortable as a home but then you provide open areas like parks and sports centres so people can go out. I would rather say that govt should mix up all kinds of apartments in the same buildings a rich person gets a bigger portion.. can be two three storeyed.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Privatisation always work, I have never benefited from any government scheme in my entire life.

True but private enterprise will never be interested in helping the bottom 30% of the population. Governments have to launch initiatives to do that. You are right about corruption etc but the 'Naya Pakistan Housing' project envisages using private enterprise to do all the building. The state will only act as facilitator by providing the momentum, legal environment conductive to this and creating the enabling climate for mass construction to become a reality. I do think this will be hallmark of PTI's tenture and barometer of it's success. If it fails here in 5 years it has failed.

An idiotic project from Government nothing more.

Something tells me you have a roof over your head for your family.

I don't like the stress on the poor..no not really ...there are many luxury apartments in every part of the world ... In London a pent house can cost multi million pounds same goes for Stockholm, NYC, Dubai, Singapore, Hong Kong. A well planned apartment can be as comfortable as a home but then you provide open areas like parks and sports centres so people can go out. I would rather say that govt should mix up all kinds of apartments in the same buildings a rich person gets a bigger portion.. can be two three storeyed.

I agree but in Pakistan's conyext we need to focus on the poor and not the tiny elite. They already have Bahria etc

 

[war&peace]

I agree but in Pakistan's conyext we need to focus on the poor and not the tiny elite. They already have Bahria etc

You didn't get it. I'm for homogeneous growth... Like here in Sweden.. it is all mixed up.. Though there are expensive apartments but not particular areas...
So there should be some homes for middle & upper middle classes..otherwise it will become a social stigma for living in those areas.

 

[OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ]

There are several cases in point where government run inorganic housing schemes fail! It happened in U.S. where in inner cities housing projects were built totally isolated from surrounding communities and these areas are now poorest neighborhoods with high crime. No jobs exist in and around them and more importantly they are food deserts where you cannot find fresh produce or even bodegas selling any healthy non refined foods. Similarly, it happened in Mexico and there people actually abandoned their allotted houses and returned back to where they came from. A case in point in India as well where several villages were moved in Bihar around coal mining areas to tall housing towers in the middle of no where and again some returned others live in misery. So, it can be good jobs program but can it be a home where people live and do their trades and grow produce?

 

[Indus Pakistan]

You didn't get it. I'm for homogeneous growth... Like here in Sweden.. it is all mixed up.. Though where are expensive apartments but not particular areas...
So there should be some homes for middle & upper middle classes..otherwise it will become a social stigma for living in those areas.

That happened in UK. They did try to mix them and to give them geographic spread but the reality is market forces and the well off did not want to live there so despite all the attempts in UK saying you live in 'council estate' carries negative connotations. In fact whenever I have bought a house I have always kep clear of estates because of the social issues and crime associated with estates. So, yes you can try but socio-economic forces will cause the inevitable stratification. We can never have perfect equitable society although the state should try to help the less unfortnate. We always will have people with issues and challanges.

 

[war&peace]

That happened in UK. They did try to mix them and to give them geographic spread but the reality is market forces and the well off did not want to live there so despite all the attempts in UK saying you live in 'council estate' carries negative connotations. In fact whenever I have bought a house I have always kep clear of estates because of the social issues and crime associated with estates. So, yes you can try but socio-economic forces will cause the inevitable stratification. We can never have perfect equitable society although the state should try to help the less unfortnate. We always will have people with issues and challanges.

That's why I didn't give the example of the shitholes (UK, USA)
I'm talking about the progressive regions like Nordic region...

 

[ALi Rizwan]

Something tells me you have a roof over your head for your family.

I am expecting something better from Senior Member.

You probably have no idea about ground realities of Pakistan.
What a subsidies house will do?? will it solve unemployment problem????? Are you or your PTIan going to subsides their expenses too.
If you have nothing to eat will you arrange money for foods or car. these are all luxurious project.
Even these govt. job highly paid for nothing not to forget they all also over staffed & each person creating problem.

Dams are our 1st, 2nd and 3rd priority.

With job in hand you can pay daily expenses and house rent without money what will you do with your house?

And yes we have our own house now. But my views was same even before that.

You live abroad. you have no idea of importance of Water & Electricity.

 

[Rusty]

But we have to follow the international safety standards for such tall buildings... also each area has different geology so it would be very important to consider it because all lands cannot take the load of such buildings without reinforcement.


Bhai, Like vs necessity... When you have 200 million people in a limited area, you need land for farming, forests, cattle, and open area for sports, schools etc, then you have to go vertical.

100% I am just saying design a building once, and then adjust as needed. Of course the buildling should be to interational standardswith concrete and no bricks.... man I hate bricks.

 

[war&peace]

100% I am just saying design a building once, and then adjust as needed. Of course the buildling should be to interational standardswith concrete and no bricks.... man I hate bricks.

Definitely the apartment designs can be fixed but there should be some variety like government can launch 50-60 designs to choose from at the time of booking which can't be altered once the construction starts. Also make like 60% for the lower income group, 25% for middle income groups, 10% for upper middle, and 5% for rich.. so every type of person lives there.
Also, fire-safety is also very important.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

I am expecting something better from Senior Member.

My point was. Those who have cancer appreciate cancer hospitals. Those who have no roof appreciate houses etc

will it solve unemployment problem?????

Housing industry is one of the most labour intensive sector of the economy. It will employ millions and spur local downstream industries like cement, bricks etc The labour is not going to come from Mars. And almost all inputs in cheap housing will be from within Pakistan.

 

[war&peace]

Housing industry is one of the most labour intensive sector of the economy. It will employ millions and spur local downstream industries like cement, bricks etc The labour is not going to come from Mars. And almost all inputs in cheap housing will be from within Pakistan.

It will generate a great economic activity but increasing inflation & prices... how would those people afford?