Naxal Insurgency in India

[Contrarian]

Guys please dont bring Pakistan in this. This thread is not about whats happening in FATA or NWFP.

Mao'ists are a problem, but they dont control any state per se. They fight a guirella war, they come in force from the jungles, attack and then run back. They dont 'control' any city or state. At times, when they gather in large numbers, they are able to attack really small townships to say free some people from the local jail or steal ammo and guns, thats about it.

The government has been slow to kill or engage them because Mao'ists have a real reason for turning against the state. They have been left out of India's growth and denied basic services that the govt must ensure. Poverty and bad governance/corruption have been huge factors in people joining Mao'ists. Most of their cadres are tribals. You cant really kill them like you kill terrorists in Kashmir and elsewhere. To solve Mao-ism the govt's need to address the socio-economic causes. Killing them is not right and not effective-the root cause is valid and justified.

 

[Prodigy17]

Guys please dont bring Pakistan in this. This thread is not about whats happening in FATA or NWFP.

Mao'ists are a problem, but they dont control any state per se. They fight a guirella war, they come in force from the jungles, attack and then run back. They dont 'control' any city or state. At times, when they gather in large numbers, they are able to attack really small townships to say free some people from the local jail or steal ammo and guns, thats about it.

The government has been slow to kill or engage them because Mao'ists have a real reason for turning against the state. They have been left out of India's growth and denied basic services that the govt must ensure. Poverty and bad governance/corruption have been huge factors in people joining Mao'ists. Most of their cadres are tribals. You cant really kill them like you kill terrorists in Kashmir and elsewhere. To solve Mao-ism the govt's need to address the socio-economic causes. Killing them is not right and not effective-the root cause is valid and justified.

Thanks for the reminder MM because some guys tend to forget that this thread is about Naxal "terrorists". Any way, no comment yet about women cadre who are active in insurgency to the extent of shooting people point blank. The children who are the child terrorists of/in india. Hope someone gives some valuable insight into this generation growing under the shadow of hate and violence. How much time will be required to bring these generations into the mainstream.

I have heard about the jungles a lot on this thread. This shows that you guys are not aware of the Maoist philosophy of rural insurgency. These guys are mounting classic maoist rural insurgency in hindustan. First stage does restrict them to jungles and country side but as they grow in confidence and strength, they will increasingly turn towards organized attacks in cities. So just because you live in city and are safe from raging insurgency in rural areas doesn't mean that it will remain the case in future as well. Already, smaller cities are being targetted.

One more thing, its not about capture, its about control. If they are bold enough to exercise their control over large portions of the territory and even government officials are afraid to enter their territory than they have effective control over territory no matter they are present physically or not. They are insurgents after all and not regular army which has the philosophy of occupying ground with boots.

Great logic, so Maoists are not terrorists and killing them is unjustified but killing kashmiri freedom fighters is justified????????????? Good to know your view on this one albeit it seems to be one helluva blind spot in your thinking.

 

[Prodigy17]

Dear psg, you may be unaware about the fact that Naxals have their presence in South as well. Here is a confirmation of the fact by no one other than US itself. Plus, lets face it, now Naxals have the strength to turn to cities as well. this story confirms it.


Naxals demonstrate on Jharkhand roads to show strength

Zeenews Bureau

Hazaribagh (Jharkhand), May 07: In the first ever incident of its kind, the Naxalites of Jharkhand took to the road on Wednesday in order to show their strength. Over 150 armed Naxals demonstrated on Hazaribagh- Vishnugarh road blocking the traffic, later resorted to indiscriminate firing. However, no injuries or casualties have been reported so far.

Jharkhand is one of the worst affected states by Naxals. According to the US State Department report, leftist extremist groups are "very active" in wide areas of impoverished rural eastern and central India, the Maoists also thought to be operating in parts of southern India.


"The Government of India is very concerned over the threat from leftist extremist groups to internal stability and democratic culture," the report had revealed. Hundreds of people were killed in conflicts between the government and various leftist extremist groups, such as Naxalites and the Communist Party of India (Maoists), and also in internecine war.

There were at least 971 Naxalite attacks in the first seven months of 2007, which, it said, was approximately equal to that of the entire previous year.

Policeman killed as Naxals show strength on Jharkhand roads

 

[Prodigy17]

Some news for those who believe Maoist are jungle bound primitive terrorists........



Maoists introduce new mines

VISAKAHPATNAM: For the first time, the banned CPI (M) has tried to use pipe mines and coupling mines in the Visakha Agency area. They were found in a big dump unearthed near Gunukurayi on Saturday last.

The district police on Monday put on display the contents of the dump unearthed during a combing operation at a spot about 2 km from the place where an encounter took place between the Greyhound constables and naxalites on May 28. A Greyhounds Head Constable and four Maoists were killed in the encounter, Superintendent of Police Akun Sabharwal said.

There were 20 coupling mines (with explosives packed in the couplings used by plumbers), eight pipe mines, nine soap bombs, 70 detonators and 1,000-metre-long electrical wire in the dump. (Pipe mines are used by Maoists in Telangana area but have been found in Visakha Agency for the first time).

http://www.hindu.com/2008/06/10/stor...1053860500.htm

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

There is an existing thread on the violence in East India - I woudl suggest merging this with it, unless any one has reasons why it shouldn't.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian...ce-east-india.html?highlight=violence+in+east

 

[Prodigy17]

AM, may i suggest keeping it as it is because NE is mainly indigenous (nationalist) insurgencies but Naxals is a national level threat. Their area of influence extends to South, Central and East India. Merging it with NE insurgencies would give the wrong impression of it being NE exclusive insurgency.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Gotcha - thats fine prodigy.

Thread title changed

 

[Contrarian]

Thanks for the reminder MM because some guys tend to forget that this thread is about Naxal "terrorists". Any way, no comment yet about women cadre who are active in insurgency to the extent of shooting people point blank. The children who are the child terrorists of/in india. Hope someone gives some valuable insight into this generation growing under the shadow of hate and violence. How much time will be required to bring these generations into the mainstream.

How the heck do i know how long it will take to bring them into the mainstream?

Child soldiers are not really substantial in number. They are very very limited. And whats so different about women cadres in Naxals? Like i said, the base of Naxals are tribals, they are the main recruits for Naxals, they can be both male and female. Doesnt make a difference.

I have heard about the jungles a lot on this thread. This shows that you guys are not aware of the Maoist philosophy of rural insurgency. These guys are mounting classic maoist rural insurgency in hindustan. First stage does restrict them to jungles and country side but as they grow in confidence and strength, they will increasingly turn towards organized attacks in cities. So just because you live in city and are safe from raging insurgency in rural areas doesn't mean that it will remain the case in future as well. Already, smaller cities are being targetted.

Then you dont understand what Indians are trying to say. Its not as if India cant send in its soldiers to kill Mao'ists point blank. They can, and thats the whole point. The govt doesnt WANT to-they do enough policing to control Naxalism or broadly limit it. They want to address the root cause of this problem first, and they are certainly trying to make changes.

Unless that problem is solved, even if Naxals are killed, there might be xyz'als from another place that starts another movement.

The basic difference to understand is that Naxals are also Indians, they are taking arms for a reason, and unless the reason is solved, there is no point in killing your own citizens.

So govt is taking both things into account, trying to increase govt accountability in these areas, while at the same time trying to put military(police and paramilitary NOT Army) pressure on them. Its a long route, but will have minimum social damage in the long run.

One more thing, its not about capture, its about control. If they are bold enough to exercise their control over large portions of the territory and even government officials are afraid to enter their territory than they have effective control over territory no matter they are present physically or not. They are insurgents after all and not regular army which has the philosophy of occupying ground with boots.

Yes, but the resolve is still shown that inspite of heavy Naxal presence in some districts, Election Officials still risk their lives to ensure that polling takes place. This is what i mean, they are trying on two fronts together instead of going heavy with the gun.

Great logic, so Maoists are not terrorists and killing them is unjustified but killing kashmiri freedom fighters is justified????????????? Good to know your view on this one albeit it seems to be one helluva blind spot in your thinking.

Kashmiri "freedom fighters", have a knack of comming from Pakistani side of the International Border, they are and ought to be shot first and questioned later.

The majority of indigenous Kashmiri's have long left militancy.

 

[Prodigy17]

Kashmiri "freedom fighters", have a knack of comming from Pakistani side of the International Border, they are and ought to be shot first and questioned later.

off topic but necessary to respond. You have a skewed version of reality and also insurgency as a whole. Ever heard about the insurgent and the fish analogy. It is not possible to mount insurgency without good deal of local support. If all came from Pakistan, then why were the foreign insurgents not alienated long ago????????? Some authentic hindustani source to prove the point beyond any doubt for reasonable people....................

Nearly 175 terror groups are active in India


Mumbai, April 13: Manipur has the highest number of terror outfits, followed by Assam and Jammu and Kashmir, according to a list prepared by the union home ministry in consultation with state governments and intelligence agencies.
The home ministry is closely monitoring the activities of nearly 175 terror organisations spread across India and attempting to ascertain their links both within and outside the country. The list includes those suspected of, or indulging in terrorist, insurgent, extremist or fanatical activities. The majority of the outfits are centred in and active in the northeast, according to intelligence sources.

Manipur tops the list with a whopping 39 organisations, followed by Assam with 36 organisations that are under the scanner of the state and central intelligence agencies.

The next is the sensitive border state of Jammu and Kashmir with 32 such groups active, semi-active or dormant. In addition to these, there are at least four other independent groups that are not based in Kashmir but are coordinating or supporting terror groups in the state from across the border.

The surprise inclusion here is Dukhtaran-e-Millat, an all-women organisation that exerts community pressures to further social norms dictated by Islamic fundamental groups.

Most of the groups named in the list are engaged in secessionist activities, mostly armed and violent, either independently or with support from across the border, mostly in regions neighbouring Pakistan and China.

A matter of concern for law-enforcing authorities is that the list - which has been obtained by IANS - is not exhaustive and keeps growing, the sources said.

http://www.siasat.com/english/index....cattitle=India


Its a report by GOH not by Pakistan. It says nearly 32 active, semi active and dormant groups exist in kashmir. It makes a separate mention for 4 groups that are operating outside kashmir from across the border. If you dont trust your own government reports, i cant do much about it.

 

[rubyjackass]

Double post...

 

[rubyjackass]

Firstly people in Pakistan seem to have no idea of what and who naxalites are.
Communist Party of India (Maoist) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Communist Party of India-Maoist (CPI-Maoist) - Left Wing Extremism, India, South Asia Terrorism Portal

Care to read about their history and motives.

Yes, maoists(a generic term for all naxalites united under the umbrella CPI(maoist). There are atleast half a dozen other CPIs) have been recruiting women(many commanded at higher levels of the hierarchy) and some of them minors. The over dramatization of the 'minor' part is part of PR offensive by the state governments.

The lead article of the thread talks about a contractor executed. Totally in line with maoists ideals against capitalists(I am not justifying it).


Present
Chattisgarh has still been under maoists' control. Andhra Pradesh is pretty much clear of any events recently. ANdhra Pradesh tried for peaceful talks with them for laying down arms. The talks failed. One of the fallouts during the talks is the unity of all communist groups creating a rough 'red corridor'. But after aggressive hunt and reforms by Andhra Pradesh, their influence now is almost not present. Bihar has always been a plaec for private armies. But maoists are the best among those IMO for the people living there.

Effects:
Maoists have been a necessary evil IMO. Because their existence caused goverments to pursue land reforms much faster than what Indian bureaucracy would have allowed under normal circumstances.



People in Pakistan probably will never be able to comprehend the situation regarding maoists because they never faced communist insurgency... which is probably for the following reasons.

When the world was busy experimenting with communism and socialism, Pakistan was busy helping America in Afghanistan with Islamic sentiments.
There is not enough space for communist elements in the religion oriented stage of Pakistan power politics.
Whoever is in power in Pakistan has always(in line with American attitude) checked communism in whatever form. As someone pointed out(I made no independent confirmation), there have not been any land reforms in Pakistan so far.

I think the second reason is most important. That is why common people in Pakistan have no familiarity of socialism or communism.

Please correct me. Lot of stuff is IMO(In my opinion).




PS: The kind of 'control' maoists have is not administrative. Its like their range of operations. If you understand the communist philosophy, you will know why maoists have many sympathizers even in governments.

 

[Contrarian]

off topic but necessary to respond. You have a skewed version of reality and also insurgency as a whole. Ever heard about the insurgent and the fish analogy. It is not possible to mount insurgency without good deal of local support. If all came from Pakistan, then why were the foreign insurgents not alienated long ago????????? Some authentic hindustani source to prove the point beyond any doubt for reasonable people....................

Who here has denied that there was no local support for Kashmiri insurgency. Yes there was one, and yes successive govts of India have been directly responding. They thought neglecting the state or forgetting about it will resolve the problem.

The thing is after over a decade, the local insurgency has mainly died off or has been adequately controlled by the security forces. The rest now is upto Pakistan, as it sends over its people to fight in Kashmir. The Kashmiri insurgency was indigenous, and then Pakistan hijacked it. This has been the reason why there is a lot more intelligence about militants now than ever before. Locals inform the police about terrorist movements, they dont get safe shelters in all of Kashmir as was the case before.

They now have very specific districts where they still enjoy sympathy and thus refuge.

 

[Omar1984]

The Naxalite threat in India is very serious and growing fast. These people control entire districts and have major influence in a series of provinces.

'The Red Corridor'

India doesn't deserve to be such a large country.

 

[A1Kaid]

Thanks Prodigy17 for reporting this very critical news about the Naxalite insurgency in India. This is very interesting news.

We should not forget India is a country that suffers from deep-seated balkanization and this Naxalite and Maoist insurgency is great evidence of that. It is true that Indian army has tough time battling these groups...

What Pakistanis should get out from this thread is there is a major opportunity here for us. There are sweet fruits to be plucked.

That is ISI should covertly intensify support for the insurgency in India for obvious reasons...

 

[rubyjackass]

India doesn't deserve to be such a large country.

exactly what ppl like you envy India for
and what we are proud about...
FYI Indian army never took part in anti-Naxal ops. The closest thing they did is training paras.



The naxalite threat has come down very much now-a-days.
Only in Chattisgarh they are still creating disturbances.


Best of Luck with your insurgency efforts...
Long live the Indian Republic...