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Nawaz Sharif pushing Pakistan back to 1999

hahaha, that wise man may have said that truth hurts those who are not willing to accept it. And it seems that somebody is not willing to accept that his commrades are every ready to jump into the laps of those sitting on throne of power through past, to date. :)

And who might be my comrades? What are you talking about? Blind love for Sharif brothers is really messing with you head.
 
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What is wrong with serving government interests and improving domestic peace and security?

I'm all for placating unwieldy citizens to keep the peace. GOP should come to an ethical, lawful compromise that suits everyone.

But agreeing to turn a blind eye to inhumanity (not just against non-citizens either) and playing hand-in-hand with criminals, ultimately legitimizes the criminal and undermines the government. In the long run, it's just a matter of time until something else irks the criminal - but by then GOP will have even less authority than it has today.

There are practical downsides too. Quid pro quo with these people means allowing more and more extremists and foreigners to settle and strengthen on Pak territory. Just like they did in the old days - and if history repeats itself, i'd bet that the extremist will be better prepared next time.
 
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I'm all for placating unwieldy citizens to keep the peace. GOP should come to an ethical, lawful compromise that suits everyone.

But agreeing to turn a blind eye to inhumanity (not just against non-citizens either) and playing hand-in-hand with criminals, ultimately legitimizes the criminal and undermines the government. In the long run, it's just a matter of time until something else irks the criminal - but by then GOP will have even less authority than it has today.

There are practical downsides too. Quid pro quo with these people means allowing more and more extremists and foreigners to settle and strengthen on Pak territory. Just like they did in the old days - and if history repeats itself, i'd bet that the extremist will be better prepared next time.

My guess is that these negotiations are only to buy time, so nothing substantive.
 
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If you belong to army family (yes we even have those too), or an ex-army person then hell yes you dislike Democracy....perks of being army in power are just too much to ignore.

even if NS makes Pakistan heaven these people will still be bad mouthing him...we ignore them so should you

Heh wrong, half of my family belongs to armed forces yet I want fair democracy instead of dictatorship so please don't blame every person who belong and is related to armed forces. nawaz sharif can't make Pakistan heavens not in a million years hell he couldn't turn punjab in paris what to talk of heavens/paradise with 6 times rule in Punjab and 3rd timers federally, so definitely all the bad mouthing is due and right.

PS. this nawaz that some people worship has multiple huge malls in saudi arabia, turkey, UK, europe, dubai yet he can't open cheap nawaz utility stores in Pakistan for common Pakistanis such as dollar store. Change is not roads, bringing taxis or stupid metro bus service...change is that poor people have food to eat, education schools/colleges, technical training schools, free medicine and treatment, low cost dwellings, clean water and alot of other things which mr. sharif is ignoring.
 
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Its not nawaz sharif who needs some sense to be kicked in him .its the people who need to alter themselves with the example being right in front of them they decided to go for the same person again expecting better results.
 
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And who might be my comrades? What are you talking about? Blind love for Sharif brothers is really messing with you head.
Don't know for blind love I see a menace of personal hatred there. Anyways this forum is full of sarcastic namonas like you who make foul awe and cry worth notional value of 0.
 
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Don't know for blind love I see a menace of personal hatred there. Anyways this forum is full of sarcastic namonas like you who make foul awe and cry worth notional value of 0.

Why so angry bro? Did Nawaz gave you his old coat and it didn't fit you?

yaar tu thakta nahin hai?

Bara stamina hay merey main. ;)
 
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He is an Ahmadi in exile in the UK. So, his comments are understandable. I have my sympathies for him, and no ill wishes.
Yeah I know him.He used an id named Pakistani Exile before (or have been using both). I recognize one from his/her posts.
 
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You indian members don't know about Pakistani political parties, when they are not picked and voted out or army and judiciary throw them away next time they come back cheating using money and than they beat common citizens instead of those whom kicked them out. This is what zardari, nawaz benazir have done through out and mush might do that if by remotely if he ever get a chance. I am a neutral person but I think PTI of being a better political party but i myself am skeptical and think PTI can never come to power not atleast till 2023.
 
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You indian members don't know about Pakistani political parties, when they are not picked and voted out or army and judiciary throw them away next time they come back cheating using money and than they beat common citizens instead of those whom kicked them out. This is what zardari, nawaz benazir have done through out and mush might do that if by remotely if he ever get a chance. I am a neutral person but I think PTI of being a better political party but i myself am skeptical and think PTI can never come to power not atleast till 2023.
Feast your eyes with how he bribed his comrades.
The Partial List of Civilian Posts taken over by Army Officials

Special SAT Report


ISLAMABAD: There can be numerous reasons why the Pakistan Army Generals would not transfer power to the elected representatives of the people of Pakistan. But one very obvious reason is the civilian positions of authority now under their clutches.


SAT has received from a contributor a list of over 85 such key positions where civilian experts, technocrats, academics, engineers, doctors, media persons, diplomats, civil servants, administrators and sportsmen should have been running the show, to the best of their ability and for the maximum benefit for the country.

But all these positions have been filled by serving or retired men in uniform; who already are either gainfully employed or have retired with full pensions, benefits and perks and have been re-employed depriving thousands of other more capable and deserving people.

This list is besides those armed forces personnel who have commercialized the names of their services and started business ventures like Fauji Foundation, Bahria Housing and Shaheen Air Services etc.

Thousands of others in lesser positions, who have been inducted under a quota system, have not yet been counted. But their presence makes it clear what stakes the army has developed in controlling the political system of the country.

The corporate face of the army also enjoys the full facilities and backing of the army establishment, whether their businesses run into profits or losses.

The 85 key positions identified by our contributor are given under. Some more additions have been made by our readers. A few corrections have also been made:


01-05: General Pervez Musharraf (President, Chief executive, Defence Minister, Army Chief and Chairman of National Security Council);(The COAS slot has been included here just to show the hats Gen. Musharraf wears. This job will naturally remain with the Army).
06. Major General (Retd) Muhammad Anwar (President of Azad Kashmir);
07. Lt Gen (Retd) Khalid Maqbool (Governor Punjab);
08. Lt General (Retd) Syed Iftikhar Hussain Shah (Governor NWFP);
09. Lt General (Retd) Moinuddin Haider (Federal Interior Minister);
10. Lt General (Retd) Javed Ashraf Qazi (Federal Communications Minister);
11. Col (Retd) S.K. Tressler (Federal Minorities & Culture Minister);
12. Lt Gen. Hamid Javed (Chief Executive’s Chief of Staff);
13. Major General Muhammad Yusuf (Chief Executive’s Deputy Chief of Staff);
14. Major General Rashid Qureshi (President’s Information Adviser);
15. Lt General Muneer Hafeez (Chief of NAB);
16. Major General Usman Shah (Deputy Chief of NAB);
17. Major General Shujaat Zameer (Deputy Chief of NAB);
18. Major General Abdul Jabbar Bhatti (Chief, Regional Accountability Bureau, RAB,Punjab);
19. Air Vice Marshal Zakaullah (Chief of RAB NWFP);
20. Major General Tariq Bashir (Chief of RAB Sindh);
21. Major General Owais Mushtaq (Chief of RAB Balochistan);
22. Lt General (Retd) Syed Tanvir Hussain Naqvi (Chief of National Reconstruction Bureau);
23. Lt General (Retd) Hamid Nawaz (Secretary Defence);
24. Air Marshal (Retd) Zahid Anees (Secretary Defence Production);
25. Lt General (Retd) Saeedul Zafar (Secretary Railways);
26. Major General (Retd) Fazal Ghafoor (Ambassador to North Korea);
27. Brigadier (Retd) Abdul Majeed Khan (Ambassador to Tajikistan);
28. Major General (Retd) Salimullah (Ambassador to UAE);
29. Major General (Retd) Muhammad Hassan Aqeel (Ambassador to Thailand);
30. Lt General (Retd) Asad Durrani (Ambassador to Saudi Arabia);
31. Vice Admiral (Retd) Shamoon Aslam Khan (Ambassador to Ukraine);
32. Air Marshal (Retd) Najeeb Akhtar (Ambassador to Brazil);
33. Major General Syed Mustafa Anwar Hussain (Ambassador to Indonesia);
34. Lt General (Retd) Muhammad Shafeeq (Ambassador to Bahrain);
35. Lt General (Retd) Zulfiqar Ali Khan (Chairman WAPDA);
36. Major General (Retd) Agha Masood Hassan (DG of Postal Services);
37. Major General Farrukh Javed (Chairman National Highway Authority);
38. Rear Admiral K.B. Rind (DG Ports & Shipping);
39. Rear Admiral Ahmad Hayat (Chairman Karachi Port Trust);
40. Rear Admiral Sikandar Viqar Naqvi (Chairman Port Qasim Authority);
41. Vice Admiral Tauqir Hussain Naqvi (Chairman National Shipping Corporation);
42. Major General (Retd) Muhammad Hassan (Chief of National Fertilizer Corporation);
43. Lt Colonel (Retd) Afzal Khan (Chairman Pakistan Steel Mills);
44. Lt Colonel (Retd) Akbar Hussain (Export Processing Zone Authority);
45. Major General Shehzad Alam Malik (Chairman Pakistan Telecommunications Authority);
46. Air Vice Marshal Azhar Masood (Chairman National Telecommunications Authority);
47. Brigadier (Retd) Muhammad Saleem (Chairman NADRA);
48. Brigadier Mirza Babar Aziz (DG NADRA);
49. Brigadier (Retd) Muhammad Anwar Khan (DG NADRA NWFP);
50. Major General Raza Hussain (Chairman SUPARCO);
51. Major General Sabihuddin Bokhari (Surveyor General of Pakistan);
52. Brigadier Javed Iqbal Cheema (DG National Crisis Management Cell);
53. Air Marshal (Retd) Shafeeq Haider (Chairman Federal Public Service Commission);
54. Lt General Arshad Hussain (Member Federal Public Service Commission);
55. Lt General (Retd) Jehangir Nasrullah (Chairman Punjab Public Service Commission);
56. Major General (Retd) Arshad Chaudhry (Member Punjab Public Service Commission);
57. Major General (Retd) Arshadullah Tarar (Member Punjab Public Service Commission);
58. Air Vice Marshal (Retd) Aliuddin (DG Civil Aviation Authority);
59. Air Vice Marshal (Retd) Arshad Saleem (Deputy DG Civil Aviation Authority);
60. Major General Zafar Abbas (DG Anti-Narcotics Force);
61. Major General Syed Haider Javed (DG National Logistics Cell);
62. Major General (Retd) Inayatullah Khan Niazi (DG Auqaf);
63. Major General Pervez Akmal (MD OGDC);
64. Brigadier (Retd) Rizvan Ashraf (General Manager OGDC);
65. Brigadier (Retd) Ishtiaq Ali Khan (MD Pakistan Mineral Development Authority);
66. Major General (Retd) Hamid Hassan Butt (Chairman Pakistan Railways);
67. Lt General (Retd) Syed Shujaat Ali Khan (Rector Engineering University Lahore);
68. Lt General (Retd) Arshad Mehmood (Vice Chancellor Punjab University);
69. Air Vice Marshal (Retd) Sardar Khan (Vice Chancellor Engineering University Peshawar);
70. Captain (Retd) U.A.G. Isani (Vice Chancellor Islamabad University);
71. Lt General (Retd) Sardar Ali (DG National Institute of Public Administration);
72. Brigadier (Retd) Maqsoodul Hassan (DG Directorate of Education);
73. Brigadier Muhammad Ejaz (Home Secretary Punjab);
74. Brigadier Abdur Rehman (Director Health NWFP);
75. Brigadier Shadab (Secretary C&W Punjab)
76. Brigadier Anees (Chairman Punjab Privatisation Commission);
77. Colonel (Retd) Shahid Qureshi (DIG Sindh Telecommunications);
78. Colonel (Retd) Ghulam Hussain (Secretary S&GAD NWFP);
79. Brigadier Mukhtar (Home Secretary, Sindh);
80. Brigadier Zaheer Qadri (DG, KDA, Sindh and not Secretary C&W NWFP);
81. Brigadier (Retd) Akhtar (Secretary to Governor Sindh);
82. General Muhammad Aziz Khan (Chairman Pakistan Hockey Federation);
83. Lt General Tauqir Zia (Chairman Pakistan Cricket Board);
84. Air Marshal Mushaf Ali (Chairman Pakistan Squash Federation);
85. Major General (Retd) Imtiaz (Chairman Pakistan Athletics Federation);
86. Brigadier Saulat Abbas (DG Pakistan Sports Board).

The following names have been added by one of our readers. All readers are invited to post any new names they can add to the Discussion Board under the List Story:

87. Brig. Khalid Javed, DG Projects Directorate, NADRA, Islamabad
88. Col Talmeez Abbas, DG Dataware Housing, NADRA, Islamabad
89. Maj Tahir M. Alvi DDG, Project Directorate, NADRA, Islambad

The following Amendments and Additions were sent by a Reader from GHQ, Rawalpindi:

Major General Tariq Javed: Retired in Jul 2002;
Ser # 62 Contract not renewed after Aug 2002;
Ser #64 Incumbent actually retired as a Lt Col from the Army & is employed as a Manager;
Brig Safdar Husain Awan is the Secy (C&W) NWFP
Ser #75 Retired;
Ser #80 Brig Qadri is DG KDA;
Ser 79 Brig Mukhtar is Home Secretary Sindh:

Additions:

90. Major General (Retd) Hashmi, Registrar, Pakistan Engineering Council;
91. Major General (Retd) Anis Bajwa, Chairman PTDC;
92. Major Genera (Retd) Asif Riaz Bokhari, NRB;
93. Brig Muhammad Toseef Uz Zaman Khan, Civil Aviation Authority;
94. Brig Saeed Ahmed Malik, WAPDA Head Qtrs Lahore;
95. Brig Muhammad Iqbal, WAPDA HQ Lahore;
96. Brig Mushtaq Ahmed, WAPDA HQ, Lahore;
97. Brig Khalid Sohail Cheema, DG Pak PWD;
98. Brig Shamshad Khan, GM NWFP NHA;
99. Brig (Retd) Zareen Khan, Project Incharge Ghazi Brotha WAPDA;
100. Brig (Retd) Mukhtar Ahmed Tariq, GM Admin OGDC;
101. Brig (Retd) Muhammad Hamayoun Khan, GM Procurement OGDC;
102. Brig (Retd) Sardar Javed Ashraf, MD KW&SB;
103. Brig (Retd) Nisar, IG Prisons (Sindh);
104. Brig (Retd) Zafar Ahmed Malik, Karachi Building & Control Authority;
105. Brig (Retd) Aftab Ahmed, DG PHA;
106. Brig (Retd) Dilbar Husain Naqvi, MD National Construction Company;
107. Colonel Rauf, IG Prisons, NWFP;
108. Colonel Asif Jamal, MD, Multan Development Authority;
109. Colonel (Retd) Najam ul Hasan Malik, TMO Rawalpindi;
110. Colonel (Retd) Hafiz Abdur Rehman Malik, MD WASA, Rawalpindi;
111. Colonel (Retd) Kanwar Muhammad Sherbaz Khan, GM CS&E OGDC;
112. Lt Col Muhammad Azim, GM NHA;
113. LT Col Naqeeb Amjad Malik, Manager CS&E OGDC;
114. Lt Col (Retd) Aziz ul Haque Mirza, Member (Operations) NHA;
115. Lt Col (Retd) Hafeezullah Awan, MD WASA Quetta.

Another Reader has sent a new list of officers who, he says, have not been included in the above List. They are:

116. Major General (Retd) Shujaat Ali Khan, Ambassador to Morocco;
117 . Major General (Retd) Badruddin, Ambassador to Brunei;
118. Vice Admiral(Retd) Khalid Mir, Ambassador to Lebanon;
119. Brig (Retd) Muhammad Nisar, Ambassador to Argentina;
120. Brig. Sikandar Ali, Director, Anti Narctics Force;
121. Brig (R) Saeed Ahmad Rafi, Director General, Ministry of Foreign Affairs (He was inducted by Gen Musharraf into Foreign Service as incharge of overseas polling for Presidential Referendum in April);
122. Brig (R) Mian Khalid Habib, Chief of Protocol, M/o foreign Affirs;
123. Brig Tipu Sultan, Director General, Ministry of Foreign Affairs;
124. Group Capt (R) Khalid Aziz Babar, Director General, M/o Foreign Affairs;
125. Naval Lt (R) Ghalib Iqbal, Consul General, Toronto (son-in-law of former Air Chief Anwar Shamim);
126. Naval Lt (R) Qasim Raza Mutaqqi, Counsellor, Rome;
127. Col (R) Salik Nawaz, Deputy Chief of Protocol, M/o Foreign Affairs;
128. Capt (R) Masood Akhtar, Deputy Chief of Protocol, M/o Foreign Affairs;
129. Capt (R) Shaukat Muqaddam, Counsellor, Dublin;
130. Capt (R) Zaighamuddin Azam Khan, Counsellor, Berlin;
131. Capt (R) Sohail Ittehad Hussain, Director General,M/o Foreign Affairs;
132. Capt (R) Khalid Durrani, Director, M/o Foreign Affairs.
The List of Top Civilian Posts Grabbed by the Army
 
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Lets keep religion out of this. The article itself is written by a Mush sympthizer or one who has had profit during dictatorships. Regardless, the current situation is much more fluid than given. Nawaz Sharif may be consolidating power but that all depends on his advisory panel. in 99 it was Saif-ur-Rehman and others that sank him, perhaps if he takes too many idiots on board he will sink again.
However, it is better to be done democratically. The Current situation with the Taliban may very well be a way to buy time to stabilize the economy before plunging again into the sureshot chaos that is to follow any operation.

Musharraf is only reaping what he sowed, nothing less, nothing more. However, I feel that he has been humiliated enough and should be allowed to leave. This will not only show NS as the bigger man, but really what can you accomplish with a 70 something publicly humiliated retired general. Let him go see his mother.
 
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