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Nawaz Sharif & Pakistan's Cruise Missile Program l A betrayal to the Oath & PM Office

PAKISTAN SAYS IT IS STUDYING ERRANT U.S. MISSILE

By Kamran Khan
August 28, 1998

Pakistani scientists and weapons experts are studying components salvaged from an errant American cruise missile that landed last week in southern Pakistan, security sources said today. They expressed optimism that they could unlock technological secrets that will advance Pakistan's missile program.
Officials said experts associated with Pakistan's civilian and military missile programs were inspecting the guidance system, onboard computer and propulsion system of the Tomahawk missile, which was fired Aug. 20 in the U.S. attack on Islamic terrorist camps in Afghanistan but apparently fell short of its target.
Some sources indicated that information obtained by examining the missile might be shared with China, Pakistan's ally, but officials here refused to comment on that possibility.

A Pakistani official speaking on condition of anonymity said the find was "a jackpot" that included the satellite global positioning system and other technological improvements made to Tomahawks since the 1991 Persian Gulf War. "We have missile experts who would most certainly demonstrate a remarkable job of reverse engineering" and develop technological know-how that Pakistan lacks, the official said.

Pakistan reported earlier this week that it had recovered the missile Saturday near Kharan, about 370 miles south of the targeted camps in Afghanistan. Pentagon officials have declined to confirm that a missile landed in Pakistan or to comment on the implications for Pakistan and China, which hope to acquire cruise missiles. The Pakistani sources noted with some surprise that the missile was largely intact when it was discovered. Sources in Washington said the Tomahawk might not have detonated because the arming mechanism is not activated until minutes before the missile reaches its target. But retired Lt. Gen. Thomas G. McInerney said he doubts the Pakistani claims. When cruise missiles crash, he said, "its like dropping a Waterford crystal glass. They are designed to do a lot of things, but they aren't designed to bounce. They are very fragile." What did not break apart on impact would probably have been burned by the missile's fuel, which would ignite on impact, he said.

U.S. defense officials also scoffed at the notion that the Pakistanis had gained an intelligence windfall, suggesting that the Tomahawk's technology already is widely available and noting that the loss of several such missiles during the Persian Gulf War is not known to have produced any breakthroughs for Iraq.
But a ranking security official in Islamabad, the Pakistani capital, pointed out that restrictions on technological transfers between the United States and Pakistan have been in effect for nearly a decade. Since 1990, when Washington cut military aid because it believed Pakistan had developed a nuclear bomb, information that the Pentagon might readily provide to another nation would have been harder to come by here, he said.

"It is a gift from God," the official said. "The country that had denied us all sorts of economic and military assistance has suddenly gifted us the weapon of choice from its arsenal."

He voiced a note of caution, however, saying: "This will definitely enhance our knowledge about the latest missile technology, but how much it is too early to predict."

Other sources here acknowledged, though, that it is unlikely Pakistan could extract enough information from the Tomahawk components to reproduce such a missile. They said, however, that their need for the kind of advanced weaponry found in U.S. arsenals is limited and that they would be happy for even limited gains in missile technology.

"Pakistan is not {a} global player," one official said, adding that its defense needs are geared more toward dealing with "its arch-rival that lives next door."

Tensions between Pakistan and neighboring India, with which it has fought three wars in the last 51 years, have been high since both nations tested nuclear devices in May. While their nuclear programs have been the focus of world attention, the rivals' competition to develop more advanced, longer-range missiles has been almost as intense.

Officials declined to comment on whether Pakistan might share any discoveries with China, a close ally that the United States has repeatedly accused of helping Pakistan with its missile program.
Gen. Jehangir Karamat, head of Pakistan's joint chiefs of staff, is touring China, and a senior army official said today that he has been briefed on initial reports from Pakistani scientists on the Tomahawk. "In view of extremely close ties between the two military services," the official said, he would be surprised if the findings were not discussed with Chinese officials.

U.S. government and private cruise missile experts said that while an intact Tomahawk would be of limited benefit to the Pakistanis, it could be of significant help to the more advanced Chinese military. Of immediate concern, said K. Scott McMahon, a national security expert with Pacific-Sierra Research Corp., an Arlington-based defense consultant firm, would be the ability of the Chinese to incorporate the missile's radar image into the air defense systems it sells to such nations as Albania, Iran, North Korea and Pakistan. "It would enable the Chinese to enhance their air defense system against what is arguably the most serious missile threat out there," McMahon said. "The air defense implications for the Chinese are something we have to be seriously concerned about."

Experts said the Chinese have the technological know-how to study and eventually copy the missile's guidance system, which matches photographic images of a target and surrounding terrain against the actual terrain it flies over. It also incorporates a satellite-based global positioning system. They added that the Chinese also could gain useful knowledge from studying the missile's airframe material, electronics, warhead and turbo-fan engine. Staff writers Dana Priest and Bradley Graham in Washington contributed to this report. CAPTION: U.S. officials doubt Pakistan salvaged a Tomahawk missile, such as above.


A speculative report from Washington Post does not make something a fact, The article also states, "A Pakistani official speaking on condition of anonymity..." Which means our diplomats and foreign Service can deny it in the diplomatic circles or at least cast doubt over it.

The statement of a former 3 time Prime Minister cannot be dismissed so easily.


Moreover, it isn't important whether Babur is based on the Tomahawk or not, the issue is here NS having a loose tongue.

This is a breach of official secrets and should not be taken lightly by Pakistan. Partisan politics of belonging to PMLN or PTI should be cast aside and this should be viewed within the context of Pakistan state secrets. If there was a time for people of Pakistan to rise above petty loyalties to parties and families, this is it!

People of Pakistan need to see this as a betrayal of Pakistan, doesn't matter if the US or Indian Intelligence or experts knew it or not, the former PM has put this in the public domain

Absolutely despicable and filthy!
 
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Salaam

A lot of people seem to think that random articles and 'open secrets' are the same as an three times Ex prime minister saying something like this.


Some random author with 'sources' in the Washington post or some open secrets cannot be compared to what an ex Pm and leader of a major party says.

Others can be easily denied by the stare whilst something like this is much hsrder to do so.
 
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And you were hired as a project manager there to record every transition.
As I said it is an open secret.

Can you imagine a country like Pakistan, which doesn't have a Earth mapping satellite or any satellites for that matter .. suddenly developing a cruise missile ..which needs terrain Contour matching guidance.
 
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He has already sold secrets to his masters.
He is and always was a security risk. I would have expected our security agencies to deal with him for that reason, yet here we are with this fat pig sabotaging our security while living comfortably in his expensive palace in London. Escaping once was bad enough, but doing it a second time? That is a grave failure on our agencies part that may end up costing a lot more than we can anticipate. At this point I am beginning to wonder who is dumber, the people of Pakistan for keeping him relevant, or the security agencies that let such a treacherous snake escape twice.
 
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and now the debate is on with IHC statements yesterday, angry on letting him go.
would they ever look into their own flawed judiciary, they are only doing one thing and that is protecting themselves from any statement that comes out against them and public praise them and call it independent. what a country!
Pakistan desperately in need of cleansing of Judiciary system on war footing. Without justice and rule of law, the society cannot survive. The revolution must come from within.

I wish some brave, honest and dedicated person may take the lead of judiciary system from within and purge all the black sheep from the system, because justice starts from within.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/a-me...tizen-of-islamic-republic-of-pakistan.686052/

Next step is to purge and clean law enforcing institutes.

If these two institutes are manned with honest, loyal, dedicated, brave, most qualified, highly skilled professionals, Pakistan will destine to be one of the great nations of the world.

And looters and traitors like Nawaz and Zardari will be found behind the bars, instead of ruling this country or enjoying luxury in foreign countries while passing irresponsible comments.
 
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As I said it is an open secret.

Can you imagine a country like Pakistan, which doesn't have a Earth mapping satellite or any satellites for that matter .. suddenly developing a cruise missile ..which needs terrain Contour matching guidance.


YES

What PAKISTAN has managed to do for its defence against its enemies is frankly incredible
 
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As I said it is an open secret.

Can you imagine a country like Pakistan, which doesn't have a Earth mapping satellite or any satellites for that matter .. suddenly developing a cruise missile ..which needs terrain Contour matching guidance.

Once again an "open secret" and admission by a 3 time PM are two separate issues, former is speculation or intelligence based while the later is publicly attributable.

People of Pakistan should rise above partisan loyalty to PMLN or Sharif family and see it for what it is.

It doesn't matter if BBC or CNN did a program on development of Babur based on "anonymous sources" and listed million and one valid technical reasons for it.

Admission by a 3 time former PM is different. I hope that people can rise above petty politics and see this for it is.
 
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As I said it is an open secret.

Can you imagine a country like Pakistan, which doesn't have a Earth mapping satellite or any satellites for that matter .. suddenly developing a cruise missile ..which needs terrain Contour matching guidance.
Pakistans missle capability was already extremely advanced at the time we got hold of the tomahawk, we didnt need the Chinese to reverse engineer it, nor did we need to buy a missle from Russia, paint the Indian flag on it and start pretending it was Martian tech.....
 
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Pakistan desperately in need of cleansing of Judiciary system on war footing. Without justice and rule of law, the society cannot survive. The revolution must come from within.

I wish some brave, honest and dedicated person may take the lead of judiciary system from within and purge all the black sheep from the system, because justice starts from within.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/a-me...tizen-of-islamic-republic-of-pakistan.686052/

Next step is to purge and clean law enforcing institutes.

If these two institutes are manned with honest, loyal, dedicated, brave, most qualified, highly skilled professionals, Pakistan will destine to be one of the great nations of the world.

And looters and traitors like Nawaz and Zardari will be found behind the bars, instead of ruling this country or enjoying luxury in foreign countries while passing irresponsible comments.

very true!
it's the parliament that has in the end has to bring in reforms for judiciary, which for her own interests do not act on it and judiciary blames them for not doing and gets the back door escape.
why can't a chief justice not take a suo motu and force the sitting govt and the parliament to act upon and play with their choosy suo motu here and there.
 
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This is a well known fact that when the US launched air strikes on Afghanistan in 1998, some of the Tomahawk cruise missiles fell on Pakistani territory unexploded.

These were quickly picked up by the Pakistani military, tech shared with China and the Babur cruise missile was tested in 2005 as a surprise in response to Indian rejection of Pakistani proposal to not bring in cruise missiles to the theatre (as gloating Indians thought Pakistan did not posses this technology).

PAKISTAN SAYS IT IS STUDYING ERRANT U.S. MISSILE
By Kamran Khan
August 28, 1998


Pakistani scientists and weapons experts are studying components salvaged from an errant American cruise missile that landed last week in southern Pakistan, security sources said today. They expressed optimism that they could unlock technological secrets that will advance Pakistan's missile program.

Officials said experts associated with Pakistan's civilian and military missile programs were inspecting the guidance system, onboard computer and propulsion system of the Tomahawk missile, which was fired Aug. 20 in the U.S. attack on Islamic terrorist camps in Afghanistan but apparently fell short of its target.

Some sources indicated that information obtained by examining the missile might be shared with China, Pakistan's ally, but officials here refused to comment on that possibility.

A Pakistani official speaking on condition of anonymity said the find was "a jackpot" that included the satellite global positioning system and other technological improvements made to Tomahawks since the 1991 Persian Gulf War. "We have missile experts who would most certainly demonstrate a remarkable job of reverse engineering" and develop technological know-how that Pakistan lacks, the official said.

Pakistan reported earlier this week that it had recovered the missile Saturday near Kharan, about 370 miles south of the targeted camps in Afghanistan. Pentagon officials have declined to confirm that a missile landed in Pakistan or to comment on the implications for Pakistan and China, which hope to acquire cruise missiles. The Pakistani sources noted with some surprise that the missile was largely intact when it was discovered. Sources in Washington said the Tomahawk might not have detonated because the arming mechanism is not activated until minutes before the missile reaches its target. But retired Lt. Gen. Thomas G. McInerney said he doubts the Pakistani claims. When cruise missiles crash, he said, "its like dropping a Waterford crystal glass. They are designed to do a lot of things, but they aren't designed to bounce. They are very fragile." What did not break apart on impact would probably have been burned by the missile's fuel, which would ignite on impact, he said.

U.S. defense officials also scoffed at the notion that the Pakistanis had gained an intelligence windfall, suggesting that the Tomahawk's technology already is widely available and noting that the loss of several such missiles during the Persian Gulf War is not known to have produced any breakthroughs for Iraq.

and to say that on record by an disqualified ex pm, what a fking traitor moron bitch would you be to do that
 
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Pakistan has as much contribution in Babur missile development, as it had in JF 17 development.
certainly, enough to burn the rear ends of Modians. One can easily deduce from the post above
 
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How could his supporters defend such a person? The way he is gone bonkers, I believe that we have yet to see more of venom from the family. Sharif or not, almost everyone of them was a mole from outside and now making the last move to harm Pakistan by any means. I am not a political commentator or supporter of any party but I have a question to people that how could you support such a low life person & choose him as a leader? Don't we have a different level & higher moral than this? What a shame for entire nation. Whatever he said, were the lines supposedly coming from India or any other enemy. Those Missiles were not supposed to land in our territory at first place. What a shame this family is... what a shame.
 
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Seems like he is being misquoted..but what he is saying is essentially true.

It's an open secret, during Clinton presidency. US fired a few dozen Tomahawk missiles into Afghanistan targeting Al Qaeda camps. A few of those missiles( at least one of them almost intact) fell short and landed on Pak - Afghan, border. Pakistan army collected these remains and shipped them off to China to be reverse engineered. From these Tomahawk remains arose reverse engineered Chinese Cj 10 missile and Pakistani Babur missile.

Pakistan has as much contribution in Babur missile development, as it had in JF 17 development.

man.... people do have, claiming 100% of their product but of no avail... so contribution or not; it doesn't matter as long as it serves the purpose in active battlefield. Speaking of ownership, I have only one advice for the people like you to not to stoop to such level every time you had a chance to speak.
 
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