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Navy's SOS: Submarine force depleting

There are some mistakes in the report.

The report mentions the current PN sub fleet as 5.

which includes 3 Augosta 90 and 2 Augosta 70.

By 2012 the Indian sub numbers are 9 and how?

Only 2 Foxtrots will be decommissioned which will make the number as 14. Which other 5 subs will be out? At the same time by 2012 INS Arihant and INS Chakra will be commissioned which means the number will be still 16.

Where as by 2012 Pakistani subs are also 5.

The Augosta-70's of PN are already 30+ years old (both of them). They both have exceeded their normal age and should retire anytime.

It also says that by 2015 India will have 8 subs and so do Pakistan.

Once Augosta 70's are gone the number will be 3. Even if they place an order for 3 more submarines today they won't be getting the same by 2015 so from where this 8 number for PN came?

Same question for IN?

BY 2012 IN will be having between 14-16 subs and the scorpene deliveries will also start by 2012.

So even if older Kilo's start getting decommissioned, Scorpene's will start replacing them an plus there will be more ATV's by 2015.

So where from all these numbers came from?

GB
The article in generallis only a signal of IN to get some attention of MoD!
If somebody can provide a source that says when the first Kilos will be decomissioned, it might be easier to figure out how they get those numbers, but I think they only meant conventional subs and that's why Arihant and Nerpa are not counted.
I read somewhere that the last 2 Kilos will be upg now in India for the first time and that this could take longer, because of lack of experience, also the Scorpene are delayed in production for 1, or even 2 years.
 
There are some mistakes in the report.

The report mentions the current PN sub fleet as 5.

which includes 3 Augosta 90 and 2 Augosta 70.

By 2012 the Indian sub numbers are 9 and how?

Only 2 Foxtrots will be decommissioned which will make the number as 14. Which other 5 subs will be out? At the same time by 2012 INS Arihant and INS Chakra will be commissioned which means the number will be still 16.

Where as by 2012 Pakistani subs are also 5.

The Augosta-70's of PN are already 30+ years old (both of them). They both have exceeded their normal age and should retire anytime.

It also says that by 2015 India will have 8 subs and so do Pakistan.

Once Augosta 70's are gone the number will be 3. Even if they place an order for 3 more submarines today they won't be getting the same by 2015 so from where this 8 number for PN came?

Same question for IN?

BY 2012 IN will be having between 14-16 subs and the scorpene deliveries will also start by 2012.

So even if older Kilo's start getting decommissioned, Scorpene's will start replacing them an plus there will be more ATV's by 2015.

So where from all these numbers came from?

GB

This is American Tactics, that Indians have Employed.
Show Fear/Insecurity to get Funds.

You may be right with the numbers but as a matter of fact the relative numbers between IN and PLAN are very same may be the gap is even more as they have several nuclear subs.

Considering China as the Prime Benchmark you got to make room for funds to even be close to Chinese Figures.
 
狗和中國不允許 means: dogs and china will not permit???????

So, these is my answer...
Yes, we welcome indian and dogs come to china.:rofl:

BTW:I like chihuahua

Have you taken permission from your MASTERS in CCP before wagging your tail here??:china:
BTW: why you like chihuahua?? does its appearance and size resembles your own?
 
Soon there will be 4 way building subs. Like from france which is already going on, from russia, soon from germany and america too will jump in.
 
SOS! Really? The navy knew about this for about 15 yrs and told the Indian govt. So who is at fault now? This is why Maoisrs are winning the hearts and minds of Indian ppl
 
SOS! Really? The navy knew about this for about 15 yrs and told the Indian govt. So who is at fault now? This is why Maoisrs are winning the hearts and minds of Indian ppl

Where I dont see it red *****
 
SOS! Really? The navy knew about this for about 15 yrs and told the Indian govt. So who is at fault now? This is why Maoisrs are winning the hearts and minds of Indian ppl

You re-opened a 3 year old thread to post your regular cr@p .Maoists winning hearts ... my @ss .
 
Navy's SOS: Submarine force depleting: India Today - Latest Breaking News from India, World, Business, Cricket, Sports, Bollywood.

A security nightmare stares the nation in the face with the Indian Navy's submarine arm in danger of losing its strength and ability to keep enemies off the country's backyard.

Headlines Today has access to an internal note sent by the navy to the government, which warns of unthinkable scenarios for national security if corrective action is not taken quickly.

The navy admits in the document that it's almost at its lowest ebb in terms of submarine force levels in history. And this when the Chinese seem bent upon undermining India's maritime edge.

Former chief of naval staff Admiral Arun Prakash said the navy had been warning the government about the crisis since the early part of this decade. He said that while the government has cognizance of the matter it would be something to be very sorry about if no action was taken.

The navy has warned that in the next few years, its submarine strength could drop from 16 submarines to five - an unthinkable prospect for maritime security planners.

Of the 16 operational submarines currently, 10 are Russian Kilo-class submarines and four are German boats. The report warns that by 2012, only nine submarines could be active. If nothing is done to stem the tide, India could be left with just five active submarines in the coming years.

The navy has a 30-year plan to buy or build 24 submarines. But even 10 years after the Cabinet approved the plan, not a single new submarine has entered service. Meanwhile, the navy has already initiated cases to retire two of its old Foxtrot submarines very shortly. And the first of its deadly Kilo-class submarines could be retired beginning 2013.

Through the report, the navy's uncertainty about the Chinese is also out in the open. The document says it will not be long before extended Chinese patrols enter the Indian Navy's area of responsibility. The Chinese naval capability will prove to be a limiting factor to the other regional navies, especially the Indian Navy.

The navy has always been suspicious about China's long-term ambitions in the Indian Ocean region. But now, those anxieties have been laid bare. The navy report paints a highly disturbing picture of what China plans to do in the Indian Ocean.

Most ominously, these plans are already in motion. During 2009, 16 contacts were recorded with vessels suspected to be Chinese nuclear submarines on patrol outside their territorial waters.

The Indian Navy's own network of intelligence has corroborated three of these contacts - on February 16, July 23 and August 3 last year.

The navy report has made it clear that China has a proven deep-water ability and plans to flex more muscle in the years ahead.

Chinese nuclear submarines are currently only testing waters in the South China Sea, outside territorial waters. But in the next three years, the Indian Navy has warned that silent Chinese submarine patrols could begin crawling through the Indian Ocean with impunity.

China is aggressively ramping up command and control infrastructure in the Indian Ocean. This is being done to expand its influence in the zone most critical to Indian security, and in effect to encircle India.

Even now SCORPION is also not looking well. I think PN might be interested in joining in with the Germans on U-216 and a smaller version of it too. INSHA ALLAH.
 
Amid reports of India’s Scorpene submarine building programme at defence shipyard Mazagon Dock Limited (MDL) suffering another jolt and resultant delay in the wake of the yard’s failure to renew its technology assistance contract with the Spanish Navantia, DCNS-India — subsidiary of the French defence shipbuilding firm DCNS which is the original manufacturer of the Scorpenes — insists that the project is very much on track.

“DCNS is the original manufacturer of the Scorpene submarine and we have all the know-how and design authority to perform TOTs [transfer of technology] for the complete submarine. We have provided MDL with technical assistance beyond contractual obligations in order to overcome teething problems and we will continue to do so until [the] successful completion of the project, Bernard Buisson, managing director of DCNS-India, told The Hindu over email when asked about the fallout of Navantia pulling out its consultants from the project.

While Navantia and French firm DCN (which later became DCNS) had jointly developed the Scorpenes, the two parted ways in 2010 following a spat, with DCNS becoming the only manufacturer of the diesel-electric submarines.

In his detailed response, Mr. Buisson chose to tacitly blame MDL for delaying the project for construction of six submarines for the Indian Navy, attributing the teething problems the yard faced and ostensibly overcome to its lack of submarine building experience in the last 15 years as also to the contractual obligation of building the entire class in India.

“….MDL had stopped manufacturing submarines for more than 15 years. Indeed, no shipyard can retain the expertise, know-how and trained staff if there is no permanent activity to maintain a minimum level of competence.

“Another specificity of this project is that all the six submarines are being built in MDL. Usually, for such contracts involving complex TOTs, the first of class (first submarine) is always manufactured at the OEM’s [original equipment manufacturer] shipyard with on-the-job training (OJT) from the buyer’s shipyard who can thus acquire know-how more rapidly,” he said.

The MDL had now been able to manufacture hulls of all six submarines as fast and with the same level of quality as DCNS would in its shipyard in France, he added.

According to Mr. Buisson, MDL’s complex procurement procedures too contributed to the delay.

“… The procurement of a large quantity of equipment from many different overseas suppliers is not an easy task and some of these foreign small and medium enterprises are not used to deal[ing] directly with foreign shipyards like MDL who have complex procurement procedures.

DCNS insists Scorpene project is on track | The Hindu

Even now SCORPION is also not looking well. I think PN might be interested in joining in with the Germans on U-216 and a smaller version of it too. INSHA ALLAH.

Your budget won't even allow buying submarine toy models! :cuckoo:
 

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