Navy mulling proposal to allow women on warships

[Abingdonboy]

Comparing US to India is not right.Our society is very different to a western society.

Combat situations involve hard tasks like running 70kms at a stretch.Not doubting anyones capability but combat has no time table or a schedule.How many of us can run even 10 kilometers with 20kgs of load.I doubt any female will run 70kms carrying a heavy rocket launcher..even in OTA the female dont carry a real RL for running tasks.To even talk of them joining SF is laughable if i start sharing what kind of a thrashing the recruits go through..for starters every member is stripped and hung upside down and beaten like hell and this continues for 7 days...i doubt any female would like being treated like this.And then we will have unnecessary cases of female harassment.

Now coming to the point of special treatment..I think we should not make any kind of special treatment just to prove something.Those who want to come to see combat saying we want equality should firstly practice equality and not ask for any favours.

I am all in favour of females being involved in indirect combat like they are in the Army where they operate as combat sappers but SF and Infantry commando is a different league altogether.

Bro, I don't think anyone was talking about females serving in the SF, this is clearly not going to happen and no professional SF unit anywhere in the world has females in their unit.



Anyway, @levina, well worth a read:

The Problems of Women in Combat - From a Female Combat Vet

Written by a former (female) US Marine, she is more qualified than I to talk on this subject.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Bro, I don't think anyone was talking about females serving in the SF, this is clearly not going to happen and no professional SF unit anywhere in the world has females in their unit.



Anyway, @levina, well worth a read:

The Problems of Women in Combat - From a Female Combat Vet

Written by a former (female) US Marine, she is more qualified than I to talk on this subject.

I have no problem with females being involved in anything else.I think they can be deployed on warships or combat aircrafts.Submarines i am not very sure about.

 

[Indo-guy]

Bro, I don't think anyone was talking about females serving in the SF, this is clearly not going to happen and no professional SF unit anywhere in the world has females in their unit.



Anyway, @levina, well worth a read:

The Problems of Women in Combat - From a Female Combat Vet

Written by a former (female) US Marine, she is more qualified than I to talk on this subject.

Very informative article and that too coming from the lady deployed in war zone herself !

I guess one can't and should not regulate or restrict women's entry in armed forces due to these apprehensions however .

These gender related issues will always remain- they should not be made excuses to deprive some women who are willing to make informed choice and pay requisite price .

 

[SrNair]

Good news!!
Now I'm sure @Abingdonboy might object to modifying ships according to women's needs. Lol
Frankly women can always take up the position of naval aviators, EOD technicians etc. And afaik women would make 20% of enlisted crew on US attack submarines so why is that not possible in India??

I think that is because of the shortage of HR resources in US.In India after all of these efforts and investment unemployment rate is stillhigh.Our HR resources are abundant .

 

[Levina]

You had said naval aviators @levina but then I guess you were referring to all helos and MPAs not fighter pilots so feir enough. i agree with you on that.
Just because the USN is doing so doesn't mean all others have to follow. The USN have HUGE SSNs, the SSKs (even the SSN of the IN) are neither designed from the outset to have females on board nor are they suited for it.

In a few decades when the IN is operating much larger subs then sure, there is no reason not to allow females on board then. But right now the subs the IN are operating are not suited for it.
Are you sure about that? I'm not convinced the IN is looking to induct females into these roles. These roles are just below SF in terms of fitness required and most men can't meet the standard. I'm not saying no women can but it would be very few.

For non-combat posts and serving on frontline warships women should be welcomed however.

I'm sure you have but this isn't the point @levina, it is not up to the woman when she jumps back in the cockpit she needs to be cleared by flight surgeons and not to mention if she is out of flight status for long enough she would need to re-qualify on a number of criteria. From what I've heard the amount of "down time" for a female pilot pilot who has a child is around 1 year.
Well this would be wrong as such political moves would affect the IN's operational capabilities and actually unfair on the female officers because they would face the brunt of the IN's resentment

There're many capable women out there and it would be wrong to ignore 'em just because a few cant behave themselves in the crew. But thats not how a crew is usually, they work as a team and men in the crew 're protective of the female members (you might point that as another negative).

Anyway, @levina, well worth a read:

The Problems of Women in Combat - From a Female Combat Vet
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Ahhhh!

Now here's what I want to show you...women might soon make it to the elite Navy seals and army rangers in US.
Navy SEALs: Can women cut it? | UTSanDiego.com

I know for a fact that not every woman is capable of such jobs but there 're exceptions and they can perform well. If so, why not allow 'em to take up such jobs?

 

[SrNair]

Had it been a civillian ship or a bus or a hotel, I would have wholeheartedly agreed with you bro. But we are talking about a military vessel. In our Kilo class subs, men don't even take a shower. If women are ready to serve in a submarine or a combat ship , she is ready or has to be ready to face and over come the privacy issues too. We should see them and treat them the same way we do to our guys in the ship. They will take care of their privacy the same way men do with theirs. Besides, if an enemy catches them, we can't expect them to extend human rights to these women, right?

My point is, if a women shows the same level of mental and physical standards as guy, she should be given the chance to serve in a ship or sub, like the guy. No special considerations, she is as capable as the guy in dealing with the issues.

And you should consider the decency and behaviour of our possible irritant nation .Capt Saurabh Khalia sacrifice is there.

 

[acetophenol]

And you should consider the decency and behaviour of our possible irritant nation .Capt Saurabh Khalia sacrifice is there.

IMO, the women should be allowed to be a part of Naval Vessels if found fit, and when they join they themselves are aware of the consequences if made a PoW. One shouldn't be worried about it, as the guts to deal with it is what makes them fit for the job.

 

[Armstrong]

IMO, the women should be allowed to be a part of Naval Vessels if found fit, and when they join they themselves are aware of the consequences if made a PoW. One shouldn't be worried about it, as the guts to deal with it is what makes them fit for the job.

Proportionality can sometimes be taken too far; I think as sentient beings we ought to appreciate the differences between both men and women, recognize that they're both equal in value and accommodate their different needs in a fair manner.

If having a higher degree of privacy accommodates the lady; let them have it. Compensate it somewhere else so that a balance is maintained between fairness and efficiency and effectiveness.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Ahhhh!

Now here's what I want to show you...women might soon make it to the elite Navy seals and army rangers in US.
Navy SEALs: Can women cut it? | UTSanDiego.com

I know for a fact that not every woman is capable of such jobs but there 're exceptions and they can perform well. If so, why not allow 'em to take up such jobs?

I'm sorry @levina but this is just talk, it is not going to happen. To date no woman has passed the Marine Infantry Officer course despite it being open to women for more than 3 years now. If they can't pass that, admittedly arduous, course then they won't pass out as SEALs, no way.

Same goes for the Ranger course, but even if a female does pass the ranger course that does not mean they become a member of the Rangers, that is a different matter altogether. Ranger selection hasn't been opened up to women only the Ranger course.

I think that is because of the shortage of HR resources in US.In India after all of these efforts and investment unemployment rate is stillhigh.Our HR resources are abundant .

Actually it's much more to do with politics in the US than anything else.

 

[Levina]

I'm sorry @levina but this is just talk, it is not going to happen. To date no woman has passed the Marine Infantry Officer course despite it being open to women for more than 3 years now. If they can't pass that, admittedly arduous, course then they won't pass out as SEALs, no way.

Same goes for the Ranger course, but even if a female does pass the ranger course that does not mean they become a member of the Rangers, that is a different matter altogether. Ranger selection hasn't been opened up to women only the Ranger course.
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You're a pessimist!!

 

[axisofevil]

Women in the miitary will give us an edge.

 

[Zarvan]

Navy mulling proposal to allow women on warships - The Times of India

NEW DELHI: Women officers may soon be aboard the Indian Navy's warships as it is working out a policy in this regard, a senior officer said on Tuesday.
Commodore BK Munjal, who is in charge of the navy's women contingent at Republic Day parade, said a proposal for allowing women on warships is being worked upon and a decision would come soon.
"The higher authorities in the navy are working on the proposal. We are looking forward to it and hopefully it should be sorted out soon," Commodore Munjal told reporters.
"The living conditions in ships are entirely different. We are now modifying ships and designing them as per the conditions required for women officers," the officer said.
Women were inducted in the Military Nursing Service in 1927 and in the medical officers cadre in 1943.
They were enabled to join the armed forces in 1992 on short service commissions.
In 2008, the government decided to grant permanent commission to short service commission women officers in those arms of the three services that do not entail direct combat or the possibility of physical contact with the enemy.
The Indian Air Force currently has the highest number of women officers at 1,350, followed by the army with 1,300 and navy with 350.

Not a good idea should not be done

 

[Abingdonboy]

You're a pessimist!!

I'd prefer to be considered a realist

 

[notsuperstitious]

Anyone has seen Erika Eleniak come out of a cake on a warship in Uder Siege will vote aye aye!