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Just got 'gifted' 12 issues of Jane's Navy International - 2009 - has some interesting news abt eg; F-22 Sword Class in much more detail then we get from our media.

will post from time-to-time as the info remains less than 1-yr old.
 
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First Chinese Frigate & Helicopters enter service with Pakistan Navy:

Navy International - November 2009.

KEY POINTS:


= Zulfiqar is the first of four Chinese-designed frigates to join Pakistan Navy.

= The Frigate's full load displacement of 3,144 tons significantly exceeds previous estimates.

The Pakistan Navy (PN) has inducted the first of four Chinese-designed Sword class (F-22P) frigates into its fleet along with a first pair of Chinese Zhi-9EC ASW helicopters.

PNS Zulfiqar was formally accepted at a ceremony in Karachi on 19 September, six days after completing a delivery voyage from Shanghai that included stop-offs in Manado (Indonesia) where it participated in the Indonesian Fleet Review in August, Port Kiang (Malaysia) and Colombo (Sri Lanka).

The two helicopters were admitted into PN's Air Arm in a ceremony at PNS Mehran, a naval air-station in Karachi, on 30 September. The aircraft were built by China's Hafei Aviation Industry Company and delivered in June.

Pakistan ordered the F-22P frigates and six Zhi-9EC helicopters in April 2005 in a deal worth an estimated USD750 million. The first three frigates are being built by Hudong-Zhonghus Shipbuilding in Shanghai and the fourth by KSEW in Karachi.

Zulfiqar's keel was laid in October 2006 and the ship was launched in April 2008 and commissioned in Shanghai on 30 July 2009. Ship two, Shamsheer, was laid down in July 2007, launched in October 2008 and has started sea trials. The third ship, Saif, was laid in November 2008 and launched on 28 May 2009. Ship two and three are due to be handed over in the first and third quarters of 2010. The final, as yet unnaned, frigate will be built indigenously by KSEW under a ToT agreement between China and Pakistan. Steel cutting began in March 2009 and the ship is expected to be completed in April 2013.

The F-22P appears to be a lengthened variant of the PLAN's Jiangwei II (type 053H3) frigate design, incorporating aspects of the newer Jiangkai II (type 054A).

Official brochures distributed during the visit to Port Kiang state that the Pakistani ship is 123.4 m in length with a beam of 13.4 m. draught of 6 m and full load displacement of 3,144 tons. This latter figure is significantly greater than previously published estimates of between 2,250 tons (Jane's Fighting Ships) and 2,500 tons (KSEW website).

Armamant consists of two quad launchers for C-802 surface-to-Surface missiles, an eight cell launcher for FM-90N (RF-7A) short-range surface-to-air missiles, a 76 mm Chinese-built derivative of Russia's AK-176 gun with a faceted turret, two Type 87 six-tube launchers for RDG-32 anti-submarine rockets, two modified Type 730B close-in-weapons systems (CWIS) (seven barrelled 30 mm guns), and two triple tube TCU-42A type launchers for 324 mm ET-52C torpedoes.

Primary sensors include an SUR-17 air-surveillance radar with Yagi antenna array (Type 517), an SR60 (Type 350) air/surface search radar, a Type 345 director, two Type 347 trackers (fore and aft) and a KH-2007 navigational radar. A bow mounted Atlas-Elektronik sonar, believed to be DSQ-238Z is also fitted.

An unidentified electronic warfare system features several prominent cylinderical antennas on the foremast, above two six barrelled decoy launchers. The propulsion machinery comprises four diesel engines in a combined diesel and diesel configuration, giving a stated maximum speed of 29 kt, cruising speed of 16 kt and a range of 4,000 n miles. The frigate complement is 14 officers and 188 ratings.
 
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Pakistan set to receive Type 730B close-in weapon system CIWS.

Jane's International Defence Review

August 2009.

Key Points

* Pakistan Navy (PN) to be first customer for new version of CIWS.

* Type 730B adopts radically different architecture to previous incarnation.

The PN is to become the first customer for a new version of the chinese developed Type 730 close-in weapon system CIWS.

Known as the Type 730B, the modified system fitted on board the navy's four new F-22P Sword class (modified Type 053H3 Jiangwei II) frigates has been re-engineered to use off-mount target-tracking sensors rather than the on-mount configuration adopted in its original form.

Technical data for the Type 730B has been released through both Norinco and China Shipbuilding Trading Company. however, it is believed that the technical authority for the system design resides with the No.713 Research Institute.

Drawing heavily from the design of the Thales Goalkeeper CIWS, particularly the seven-barrel 30mm gun, the original iteration of the Type 730 integrates an EFR-1 tracking radar and an OFC-3 electro-optical sensor system on the weapon mount (unlike Goalkeeper, there is no on-mount search radar). This version now identified as Type 730A has been fitted to a number of Chinese PLAN warships.

Type 730B differs in that it adopts a radically different architecture. Two 30mm mountings are integrated, through a dedicated system network, to off-mount fire control and surveillence sensors, comprising an SR type search radar, a TR fire control radar and an OFR electro-optical sensor system. Pictures of Zulfiquar, the 1st F-22P, on sea trials show complete Type 730B weapon/sensor suite installed on top of the hanger, with the surveillence and tracking sensors fitted on the centraline and the 30mm mountings sited port and starboard.
 
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LONDON - Georgian leader Mikheil Saakashvili criticized French plans Feb. 18 to sell an advanced warship to Moscow, saying it would enable Russian forces to invade eastern European countries within hours.

If the Kremlin "gets tanks, ships, and missiles - it's a technology that I believe they are also shopping for - then we are getting in a very risky zone", the pro-Western president told reporters here in London.

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"This will enable them to invade any eastern European country or any country in the CIS (Commonwealth of Independent States, former Soviet republics), which they would normally need weeks to do, within hours," he added.

Saakashvili said the sale would be "very unusual and very risky", adding that Georgia had had "an informal exchange of opinions with the French" on the issue.

France would become the first NATO country to sell advanced military technology to Russia if a deal is sealed for the Mistral-class assault ship, capable of carrying up to 16 helicopters and a 750-strong landing force.

Paris says it has agreed in principle to sell one and is mulling a request for three more.

The Baltic states have already condemned the plan, the United States is unhappy with it and Georgia in particular is worried about regional tensions in the wake of its 2008 war with Russia.

Saakashvili also said that "some decision needs to be taken" on Georgia's application to join the NATO military alliance.

The president was due to meet British Foreign Secretary David Miliband Thursday, at the end of a four-day visit to Britain
 
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Official brochures distributed during the visit to Port Kiang state that the Pakistani ship is 123.4 m in length with a beam of 13.4 m. draught of 6 m and full load displacement of 3,144 tons. This latter figure is significantly greater than previously published estimates of between 2,250 tons (Jane's Fighting Ships) and 2,500 tons (KSEW website).


PNS Zulfiquar specification chart which is displayed during the visit to Port Klang, Malaysia.

 
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May-2010
INTERVIEW

Captain Mirza Foad Amin Baig
Commanding Officer, PNS Zulfiqar

The first of Pakistan's four Sword-class frigates, PNS Zulfiqar, is preparing for a final sea inspection later in 2010 before being declared fully operational. Capt.Baig spoke to Guy Tormens when the ship visited Doha, Qatar.

Launched by China State Shipbuilding Corporation at its Hudong-Zhonghua Shipyard in Shanghai on 19th April 2008, PNS Zulfiqar - the first of Pakistan Navy's (PN's) four Sword-class (F-22P) frigates - was commissioned on 30th July 2009.

Having completed the technical acceptance process followed by pier-side and at-sea training, the ship's company commenced a delivery voyage that took Zulfiqar to Manado for Indonesia's International Fleet Review (12-19 August), Port Kalang in Malaysia (27-30 August) and Colombo, Sri Lanka (5-7 Sept). The frigate arrived in Karachi on 13 September and was inducted into the PN fleet on 19 September.

"the remainder 0f 2009 and early 2010 was taken up by testing our sensors and weapons in home waters" says Capt. Mirza Foad Amin Baig, the Commanding Officer."in early March we sailed from Karachi for a deployment to the Arabian Gulf, before taking part in DIMDEX 2010 (The 2nd Doha International Maritime Defence Exhibition in Qatar, we successfully fired C-802 missiles in the Northern Arabian sea on 12 March, and on our way to Doha we conducted passex serials with both the Saudi navy and the Qatari naval forces.

Despite its strong visual resemblances to the Chinese navy's Jiangwei II-class (Type 053H3) frigates, Capt. Baig says the 3,144-ton Zulfiqar and its sister ships were designed to specific Pakistani requirements and incorporate many features hiitherto unknown in PN vessels. " most obvious are the radar cross-section reduction measures, clearly visible in the hull, main gun and the slightly angling superstructure". he notes." A lot of effort was also put into infrared signature, noise and electro-magnetic emission reduction. She is also the first major surface combatant of the PN to have a high level of automation on board".

A integrated platform management system controls the engines, hull services, electrical distribution and damage-control systems,"Zulfiqar has been fitted with a sophisticated German MTU damage-control system. Automatic detectors and sensor systems ensure an early warning for any damage occuring in any operational situation" says Capt.Baig. "Buoyancy is assured with two adjacent compartments flooded and a sprinkler system is fitted throughout the ship. these enhanced damage-control capabilities and the in-built redundency are important factors for unsupported long-distance crossings".Designed primarily for anti-submarine warfare (ASW) and ant-surface warfare (ASuW), Zulfiqar also has a local area self-defense capability."I dare say that a Sword-class unit packs almost the combined fire-power of our six Tariq-class (Ex-UK RN Amazon-class (Type-21)) frigates. We feature quite a few capabilities not found on the pther Pakistani frigates".

The ASuW suite consists of two quadruple C-802 launchers (CSS-N-8'Saccade') and a 76mm gun based on the Russian AK-176M weapon. ASW assets comprise two triple ET-52C 324mm torpedo tubes, two sextuple RDC-32 rocket launchers and an Echo Type 5 hull-mounted active search and track sonar. An octuple launcher for FM-90N anti-air missiles is located forward of the bridge and two Type 730 30mm seven-barrel guns are provided for close-in defence (CIWS).

"The embarked Harbin Z-9EC helicopter provides us with over-the-horizon targeting for the C-802 missiles as well as a long-range detection capability and anti-submarine capability",Capt.Baig states."Our combat management suite is based on the chinese ZKJ-3C (a variant of the French TAVITAC) and the electronic-warfare system comprises the Chinese RWD-8 intercept system and a NJ8I-3 jammer".Sensors include a SUR-17 air-surveillence radar, an SR-60 air/surface search radar and a Kelvin-Hughes 2007 navigation radar.

While accepting that the integration of Chinese and Western systems was challenging, Capt.Baig says the package works well in practice and that Zulfiqar has considerable potential for future upgrade; for example, there is a space to install a vertical launch system in place of the FM-90N launcher. he anticipates that a forthcoming modernisation will see the FM-90N and SUR-17 combination replaced by the Chinese HQ-16 (a variant of the Russian SA-N-12 Shril).

Capt.Baig is pleased with the seaworthiness of the 123.4 m-long hull which, he says is "shaped to minimize the resistence of water and improve seakeeping in rough sea conditions. Two rudders and two controlable pitch propellers allow excellent manoeuvarability. We can conduct our tasks up to Sea State 5. Our CODAD (combined diesel and diesel) propulsion system (two Tognum MTU 12V 1163 TB 83 diesel engines) gives us a top speed of 28+ kt and the onboard fuel capacity provides a steaming range in excess of 6,000 n miles at 18 kt".

Compared with older vessels, crew habitability standards have been improved and noise kept to a minimum while air-conditioning has been installed in accomodation and operating compartments. Capt. Baig says"the core crew is 188, but we have a capacity for 212 and for short periods even up to 250".

Further weapons and sensor trials are planned before the frigate undergoes a final sea inspection later in 2010 and - all being well - is declared fully operational."one may well see PNS Zulfiqar taking part in anti-piracy operations in 2011".

The second Sword-class frigate, PNS Shamsheer, was commissioned in Shanghai on 19 December 2009, arrived in Karachi on 23 January 2010 (after stops in Singapore and Colombo) and was admitted into the Pakistani fleet on 8 Feburary. Ship three, Saif, is scheduled to commission on 31 July. The keel of the final unit, Aslat, was laid down on 10 December 2009 at Karachi Shipyard and Engineering Works and scheduled to join the fleet in December 2013.
 
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NAVY International, May 2010 issue has a major article on the Turkish Navy and its future plans.

two small pieces of information related to Pakistan are;

"Yonca-Onuk has established itself as a leading constructor of composite-hulled fast patrol craft (its MRTP20 fast interceptor is in service with the Turkish Coast Guard). it has also captured export sales in Malaysia, Pakistan and the UAE."


MILGEM Corvette
"The New Type Patrol Boat, for example represents a cost-effective answer to today's maritime security needs. We are also in discussions with Pakistan over the adaption of MILGEM to meet the Pakistan Navy's future corvette requirements."
 
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The F-22P & VL HQ-16 is quite interesting, though I'm skeptical as to whether that is the optimal upgrade for F-22P... Does it have enough space to pack a good number of HQ-16, or will it be confined to 8 missiles? Wouldn't it be better to try and equip F-22P with 16 or 32-cell of a 25km+?
 
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puting HQ16 will bring this ship to same par as best indian frigate of Talwar Class.
 
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The F-22P & VL HQ-16 is quite interesting, though I'm skeptical as to whether that is the optimal upgrade for F-22P... Does it have enough space to pack a good number of HQ-16, or will it be confined to 8 missiles? Wouldn't it be better to try and equip F-22P with 16 or 32-cell of a 25km+?

good suggestion but based on the interview, the F-22P seems to be a very capable platform for our needs.
 
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The F-22P & VL HQ-16 is quite interesting, though I'm skeptical as to whether that is the optimal upgrade for F-22P... Does it have enough space to pack a good number of HQ-16, or will it be confined to 8 missiles? Wouldn't it be better to try and equip F-22P with 16 or 32-cell of a 25km+?

Well it can be equipped with the HQ-16 and if in length wise there is some problem to fix it in the current structure, the British Type-45 kind of arrangement can be done where the SAM structure is elevated above the ship deck just behind the main gun.

Looking at the deck where the HQ-7s are based, it can atleast house a 16 HQ-16 VLS.

Here have a look and give your views.

http://img183.imageshack.us/f/251feb8ae0.jpg/
 
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Well it can be equipped with the HQ-16 and if in length wise there is some problem to fix it in the current structure, the British Type-45 kind of arrangement can be done where the SAM structure is elevated above the ship deck just behind the main gun.

Looking at the deck where the HQ-7s are based, it can atleast house a 16 HQ-16 VLS.

Here have a look and give your views.

Imageshack - 251feb8ae0.jpg

perhaps you wanted to say height wise issue.
exactly i agree with this point that the SAM structure can be elevated above the ships deck to house the missile. but yes, the limitation might be the ability to carry only 8 missiles and not back up arsenal but still it will be good enough.
infact if possible one other option can be to keep the HQ-& intact and still integrate the HQ-16 VLS!!:coffee:

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however saying all this, i think the most important point is that the PN is satisfied with its performance. the longer range SAM may come in ships to come under "Heavier Class" or "better equipped and modrenised F-22p follow-up order":pakistan:

regards!
 
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august have arrived when we get out OHP frigates any news on them or they have been given to taiwan
 
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