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Navy Chief quits over spate of submarine mishaps

In another word, you are blaming them without using the word blame. Many Indians here in this forum make good lawyers.

I dont know what is in your head clay or something like that?
Russian system will always best but aged system will always vulnerable.Even if it US sub when aged more than a certain limit it will become useless.It is not supplier country problem .Any system from any country even if it from US ,EU etc aged then it will become obsolete.
 
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The politicians is busy with elections, bureaucrats are not interested: Admiral (Retd) Arun Prakash, Former Chief of Naval Staff

What is Naval Chief Admiral DK Joshi has done is laudable, shows his moral fibre: Air Vice Marshal (Retd) Vijay Kumar Dayalu

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Our defence equipment is 30-40 years old. Does it take this long to replace equipment: Maj Gen (retd) G D Bakshi, Defence Analyst

The responsibility is direct. It is business of Defence Ministry to provide wherewithal to fight: Maj Gen (retd) G D Bakshi, Defence Analyst

The environment that's been created in last few years has been antagonistic: Vice Admiral (Retd)PJ Jaccob, Former Vice Chief of Naval Staff

If lives of these people are not valued, what can we expect, says brother of deceased Naval officer Lt Commander Kapish Mowal

Brother of deceased Naval officer Lt Commander Mowal hits out at the Govt, says 'arrange for equipment that support people like my brother'

The submarines are not in a condition to defend a country like India, says brother of deceased Naval officer Lt Commander Kapish Mowal

Isn't it shameful that Defence Minister AK Antony hasn't taken responsibility for the third grade equipment the navy is fighting with?

Since facts prove Defence Minister AK Antony's tenure has been disastrous from the modernisation angle, shouldn't he quit first?
 
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How come two officers are missing just because of smoke, unless thei was some kind of major fire o explosion or possibly both.

Hope sailors recover fully and officers are safe.

Navy chief Admiral DK Joshi resigns hours after submarine accident

Navy Chief Admiral D K Joshi has resigned after a submarine accident off the shore of Mumbai this morning.

The Defence Ministry has accepted his resignation.

This morning, seven sailors were injured and two officers are missing after the accident on board Indian Navy submarine INS Sindhuratna. The submarine is headed back to the shore after it was forced to surface when smoke was detected on board.

The injured sailors, who fell unconscious from suffocation, were airlifted to a Navy hospital in Mumbai. Reports suggest that a fire may have broken out on the vessel.

The INS Sindhuratna was being sea tested after a refit, about 40 to 50 km off the Mumbai coast when the smoke was detected. The senior-most submarine officer of the Western Naval Command was on board.

The Russian-origin Kilo Class submarine was carrying no weapons or ammunition. Since it was still in testing mode, it had not been placed under operational command yet.
This is the 10th mishap involving an Indian Navy warship and the third submarine accident in the last seven months.

In August last year, Navy submarine INS Sindhurakshak sank in the Mumbai harbour after an explosion on board, killing 18 sailors.

Earlier this month, an amphibious warfare vessel INS Airavat ran aground after which its commanding officer was stripped of his command duties.

Navy chief Admiral DK Joshi resigns taking responsibility for submarine accidents | NDTV.com

Are you blaming your naval command to be incompetent to re-fit obsolete vessels?

Link is this. These are aged bordering on obsolete subs that need to be replaced ASAP. Add to that they are of Societ/Russian origin and you can see why what's going on is. Welcome to the floating coffins ladies and gentlemen..... The MIG-21s of the sea
 
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How come two officers are missing just because of smoke, unless thei was some kind of major fire o explosion or possibly both.

Hope sailors recover fully and officers are safe.

Two sailors died because of the smoke. From the report it seems that emergency procedure kicked in when the smoke was detected and the places where smoke was were sealed off by automatic hatch closing. Which resulted in the death of two sailors.
 
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sad news. two lives lost for nothing.

Two sailors died because of the smoke. From the report it seems that emergency procedure kicked in when the smoke was detected and the places where smoke was were sealed off by automatic hatch closing. Which resulted in the death of two sailors.
 
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Defence Minister is not the only one responsible for Mischap, he is also dealing with airforce and army. If one has to blame, you blame every one in the ministry and every one who were responsible for the submarine.

Of course after investigation, there must be sacking.
 
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Government can’t shirk onus for Indian Navy accidents: Experts

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The government should also shoulder “responsibility” for a series of accidents involving Indian Navy vessels and should be more “involved” in the functioning of the armed forces, strategic experts noted on Thursday, a day after navy chief Admiral D.K. Joshi resigned. His resignation followed the latest mishap, this time involving a submarine, that claimed two lives and left seven injured.

They also thought that “some good” could come out of the episode if the defense ministry introspected on corrective measures required – for instance, why was the Indian Navy operating submarines that were a quarter-of-a-century old?

“The ministry should also take responsibility and take remedial measures,” former Indian Navy chief Admiral Arun Prakash told IANS by phone from Goa, calling for “greater involvement” in the functioning of the armed forces.

“At the moment, they are quite far apart. In spite of the recommendations of various task forces, their dealings are only through letters and files,” he noted.

“In spite of repeated suggestions for integrations, the bureaucracy has steadfastly refused to act,” Admiral Arun Prakash said, adding: “They are treated as two different bodies as the government doesn’t want to get involved.”

He also felt that the entire episode could have been “handled better”.

“It could certainly have been handled better if the ministry was involved in the functioning of the armed forces,” Admiral Arun Prakash said, responding to criticism that the defense ministry acted with undue haste in accepting Admiral Joshi’s resignation.

“If the chief resigns, it suits everyone,” he added.

However, Defense Minister A.K. Antony defended the ministry’s action on Wednesday, saying Admiral Joshi personally requested that his resignation be accepted and “I consented”.

Government can’t shirk onus for Indian Navy accidents: Experts | idrw.org
 
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A sailor departs, India in self-doubt

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The resignation by India’s navy chief Admiral D. K. Joshi, owning responsibility for the ‘accident’ on yet another submarine, was the right thing to do. He could have been cashiered, which is not uncommon in most countries, when a steady decline appeared in professionalism in the ranks of the Navy. But India’s civilian leadership shows great patience and seamless latitude to military commanders.

The country’s top ranking generals squabbled publicly in the not-too-recent past, but life moved on. It transpired that there was one occasion when the civilian leadership lost sleep over the suspicious movements of army formations near the Indian capital one suspenseful night. A few incidents surfaced recently involving army officers and lowly ranks getting into brawls to settle old scores with abandon. But no heads apparently rolled. Not a single general lost his job. And the Indian public continues to adore the military as the stuff of folklore in a mythical world of pristine sacrifice, valor and honor.

Suffice to say, therefore, Admiral Joshi’s resignation sets a new benchmark for India’s military as a whole. If professionalism among the uniformed men declines, is the political leadership responsible for it? Indeed, that is not the case. The civilian leadership cannot be blamed if submariners default in the refueling of their boat at the base because of sheer negligence or if army procures substandard ration for its canteens. It should be the chain of command within the armed forces that owns responsibility.

However, Admiral Joshi’s resignation has led to some outlandish opinion-making – that the growing incidents of ‘accidents’ in the Indian Navy are symptomatic of a larger malaise of a ‘looming military breakdown’ because of obsolete weaponry. This is an utterly laughable suggestion – except that it permeates public perceptions.

The specious argument here is that the modernization of the military ismoving tardily because at the ‘whiff of scandal’, the political leadership cries halt to acquisition process. But then, the civilian leadership is expected to maintain a ‘stellar reputation’, while on the other hand detractors hold it to be remiss in efficiency if checks and balances are introduced into the acquisition process with a view to make it transparent and accountable, which is in reality causing the slowdown the decision-making.

Of course, as things stand, Indian army may face a shortage of equipment if it is called to fight war on two fronts simultaneously, as it has been apparently planning. Now, it is entirely conceivable that India’s armed forces may literally wither away if it is called upon to fight on three or four fronts simultaneously – instead of a mere two fronts. The point is, there is no end to setting threat perceptions.

The threat perceptions cannot be spun out of thin air. They must be rooted in reasoning and must be co-related with the comprehensive national power. Or else, threat perceptions degenerate into demoralizing nightmares.

Why should India prepare for wars on two fronts? Common sense would suggest that Pakistan is not at all in a position in a foreseeable future to launch a conventional war against India, given the gravity of the problems overwhelming that country’s economy, politics and society, apart from its acute internal security situation. Again, unless the Chinese leadership is downright stupid or senile (of which there is no sign), why should Beijing order a military aggression against India? On the other hand, India’s other neighbours – Maldives, Nepal, Bhutan, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka – cannot afford to being on adversarial terms with India.

Now, India is not an expansionist power, either. Simply put, it should not get into the trap of great-power fantasies and plunge into the depths of gloom and pessimism that it lacks the wherewithal of force projection into the global commons. There is much wisdom in the remark by the American civil rights leader Jesse Jackson, while on a visit to Kolkata last week that India should get its priorities straight – “The unfinished business of the Indian liberation struggle… is freedom from poverty.”

Suffice to say, India’s pundits decided to set a needlessly high threshold of operational capability – having to cope with two wars on the country’s borders at the same time – and are feeling gloomy that the armed forces lack such capability. They are angry with the ‘inept’ political leadership for this impasse.

The proper thing to do is to introspect calmly why India should work itself into such paroxysms of anxiety, which is so patently unnecessary on empirical terms. Actually, a well-known Indian strategic thinker recently advised that India is ‘arming itself into dependency’ on the Americans and in the interests of India’s long term military modernization it should instead focus on building up a defence industry with the help of friendly countries that are willing to share modern technology.

As things stand, India’s main national security challenge lies in the internal security sphere and not on its borders. The Indian military is adequately coping with the challenges on the border and with the passage of time and better infrastructure development, its performance even on the disputed border region with China is improving. However, the dismal truth is that the caliber of India’s military personnel is declining. A series of scandals appeared lately of India’s naval officers allegedly indulging in ‘wife-swapping’.

Arguably, such abysmal break down in discipline and morale is a reflection of the overall decline in national standards affecting all spheres of life, but then, the military is always expected to be on a different footing. Why is it that such bizarre happenings are becoming frequent in the armed forces? The armed forces personnel are well paid by Indian standards and they also get a lot of perks and privileges to cushion their private life.

The rot that is setting in is due to the poor leadership in the chain of command. The top leadership isn’t setting a good example. And the civilian leadership is far too indulgent. Therefore, Admiral Joshi did the right thing to own responsibility. And the civilian leadership also did the right thing by allowing a fine human being to walk away into the sunset.

A sailor departs, India in self-doubt | idrw.org
 
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Coming now to the present-day state of the eight surviving Type 877EKM SSKs, Russia’s Rubin Central Design Bureau for Marine Engineering has confirmed to me that the authorized total technical service life of each such SSK is not 20 years or 26 years as has been claimed by several retired IN officials over the past few days, but 35 years. Furthermore, each such SSK undergoes only one medium refit (inclusive of a mid-life upgrade) once after completing 13 years of service, and on its 26th year in service, it will undergo a service life-extension programme (SLEP) or a long-refit (inclusive of further upgrades) so that it will remain in service for a total period of 35 years.

For, it is downright criminal to claim that these SSKs are using batteries with expired shelf-lives. In the case of INS Sindhuratna S-59, which recently underwent an unscheduled short-refit, it was using the 240 units of batteries (costing Rs.11 crores in all and possessing 40% of residual life) that had been removed from INS Sindhukesari S-60 since the latter is presently undergoing a short-refit.

To date, all eight surviving Kilo-class SSKs use batteries made by EXIDE Industries and such batteries, in production since the early 1990s, have also been exported to Algeria and Iran. EXIDE also supplies batteries for the four IN-operated Class 209/Type 1500 SSKs.

INS Sindhughosh S-55, whose keel was laid on May 29, 1983, was launched on July 29, 1985 and was commissioned on November 25, 1985 and it was subjected to a medium-refit and was also upgraded to Project 08773 standard between 2002 and 2005. INS Sindhudhvaj S-56, whose keel was laid on April 1, 1986, was launched on July 27, 1986 and was commissioned on November 25, 1986. INS Sindhuraj S-57, which was commissioned on September 2, 1987, was subjected to a medium-refit and was also upgraded to Project 08773 standard between 1999 and 2001. INS Sindhuvir S-58, which was commissioned on December 25, 1987, was subjected to a medium-refit and was also upgraded to Project 08773 standard between 1997 and 1999. INS Sindhuratna S-59, which was commissioned on August 14, 1988, was subjected to a medium-refit and was also upgraded to Project 08773 standard between 2001 and 2003. INS Sindhukesari S-60, which was commissioned on October 29, 1988, was subjected to a medium-refit and was also upgraded to Project 08773 standard between 1999 and 2001. INS Sindhukirti S-61, which was commissioned on October 30, 1989, has been declared as a writeoff. INS Sindhuvijay S-62, which was commissioned on October 27, 1990, was subjected to a medium-refit and was also upgraded to Project 08773 standard between 2005 and 2007. INS Sindhurakshak S-63, which was commissioned on October 2, 1997, was subjected to a medium-refit and was also upgraded to Project 08773 standard between August 2010 and January 2013. Next in line for a medium-refit and upgrading to Project 08773 standard by the Zvezdochka State Machine-Building Enterprise is INS Sindhushastra S-64, which was commissioned on May 16, 2000.

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