NATO will never win Afghan war

[LeGenD]

In your opinion.

And you are all-knowing?

Stop rambling my assertion stands

You need some time off from here. And also educate yourself on demographics of Iraq.

 

[lem34]

Afghan game is a very long and complex one.

Earlier you were suggesting differently. Imo the only place you are a legend is in your mind. You give unnecessary importance your opinion.

And you are all-knowing?


You need some time off from here. And also educate yourself on demographics of Iraq.

Why is that cos I do not agree with your position

And you are all-knowing?

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It would appear you seem to think that you are. You also appear to get offended that someone does not agree with your pontifications. This along with limitations in your intellectual prowess which does not match your education prevents someone like me having meaningful debate with you

 

[LeGenD]

Earlier you were suggesting differently. Imo the only place you are a legend is in your mind. You give unnecessary importance your opinion.

I do not quickly jump towards conclusions.

- NATO has lost
- Taliban has won

What are these?

If you cannot counter my arguments with facts, then you are speculating as well.

Why is that cos I do not agree with your position

It is not my position. My grasp of 'ground realities' is much better then yours.

It would appear you seem to think that you are. You also appear to get offended that someone does not agree with your pontifications. This along with limitations in your intellectual prowess which does not match your education prevents someone like me having meaningful debate with you

A clear 'emotional outburst' from you. I want proper counter-argument.

 

[lem34]

I do not quickly jump towards conclusions.

- NATO has lost
- Taliban has won

What are these?

If you cannot counter my arguments with facts, then you are speculating as well.


It is not my position. My grasp of 'ground realities' is much better then yours.


A clear sign of 'emotional outburst' from you. I am waiting for proper counter-argument.

1. You are wrong I have not stated what you say nor have i given you reason to draw such an inference. But then as I stated before meaningful diuscussion is difficult for someone like you

2 It is only in your opinion that your grasp is better. An opinion I give little weight to. I have since gone and read some more of your other posts and it would seem that you have an inferior complex which manifests itself as a superiorioty complex hence the name you chose for yourself.

3. That was not an emotional outburst I stated facts based on reading your pro American pro Arab diatribe which certainly conflicts certainly with the desires of a vast majority of our countrymen.

As I said in an earlier post I believe your intelectual capacity or the lack of it prevents meaningful discussion so I will go and have a cigar and chill out whilst you squirm there thinking of how you might offend me lol

 

[Tshering22]

In an unconventional war, there are unconventional methods used. For example, the Pakistani military puts up a smart face of supporting NATO while its intelligence ensures protection to the group that NATO is fighting against. Both are by law, different entities and cannot be blamed for each of their decision. However, both are complicit.

So in response, NATO has increased drone strikes without any further negotiations.

This grab your throat attitude of both Pakistan and US will push them to a full blown war if both continue to attack each other.

 

[LeGenD]

1. You are wrong I have not stated what you say nor have i given you reason to draw such an inference.

Just because you have not explicitly stated so, does not means that you do not endorce those premature conclusions drawn by some Pakistani members here. Hint: Your thanks.

But then as I stated before meaningful diuscussion is difficult for someone like you

I do not accept propaganda. This is the reason.

2 It is only in your opinion that your grasp is better.

This;

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This does not concerns USA. Iraq is no longer a threat to US interests.

You should focus on internal Iraqi demographics. Iraqi populace is split in to 3 major sects; shia; sunni; and kurd. All 3 sects do not intermingle very well with each other. US have attempted to hold the 3 sects together with a democratic setup.

Iranian interference can be very dangerous in Iraq. If Iran empowers Shia sect too much, it can spark another civil war in the country. Do you even understand the consequences of this?

Iranian influence in Iraq has its limits. Do not assume that all Iraqi sects will toe Iranian line. The sunni and kurd sects will NEVER.

Iraq is trying to normalize its relationship with Iran, which is a good thing. However, do not expect Iraq to become a satellite state of Iran. This is a wishful thinking.

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An opinion I give little weight to. I have since gone and read some more of your other posts and it would seem that you have an inferior complex which manifests itself as a superiorioty complex hence the name you chose for yourself.

Clearly this is a personal attack on me. Sincere advice from me: You need a break from this forum.

3. That was not an emotional outburst I stated facts based on reading your pro American pro Arab diatribe which certainly conflicts certainly with the desires of a vast majority of our countrymen.

It is an emotional outburst. I am not Pro-US and Pro-Arab. I focus on 'ground realities'. I do not cloud my judgment with propaganda material. I am nuetral. And vast majority of our countrymen have led us to the mess that we find ourselves in today. Now if this vast majority will decide to jump in ocean; I will not. Get the point?

Do not assume that Pakistani people are all-knowing. Many are ignorant.

As I said in an earlier post I believe your intelectual capacity or the lack of it prevents meaningful discussion so I will go and have a cigar and chill out whilst you squirm there thinking of how you might offend me lol

I have yet to expect meaningful response from for following points of mine;

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ICOS report is meaningless.

US forces have eliminated thousands of Taliban fighters too.

Now explain to me that which strategically important region is under control of Taliban?

And ISAF forces do lurk in regions where Taliban activities are at their peak.

You make it sound like as if ISAF controlled regions are under constant siege from Taliban?

Pakistani GHQ itself has been targeted by terrorists. Does this means that terrorists control Pakistan?

Negotiations are in the best interest of all stakeholders in Afghanistan. Otherwise, civil war will continue and many more people will die. Get the picture now?

You should understand that to achieve victory in Afghanistan, Taliban has to take Kabul.

Kabul is the main 'nerve centre' of Afghanistan. Kabul, as the capital, is the hub of political, educational, economic, diplomatic and military activity.

ISAF actually controls all locations of strategic importance in Afghanistan. This is the most important thing.

Please stop promoting this nonsense. It is getting old.

 

[lem34]

Go to sleep you are suffering sleep deprivation if you think I am going to waste bandwidth and time on giving you and or your ilk a response

Do not assume that Pakistani people are all-knowing. Many are ignorant.


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Couldn't help it but comment on this bit lol If the cap fits wear it

 

[LeGenD]

Go to sleep you are suffering sleep deprivation if you think I am going to waste bandwidth and time on giving you and or your ilk a response

Couldn't help it but comment on this bit lol If the cap fits where it

You are spamming now.

You are actually not capable of meaningful discussion yourself. When you face somebody who does not accepts your propaganda, you become emotional and start bashing.

 

[lem34]

You are spamming now.

You are actually not capable of meaningful discussion yourself. When you face somebody who does not accepts your propaganda, you become emotional and start bashing.

n your very first post you asserted that I spoke nonesense. So why are you desperate now to engage me in conversation.

I repeat your intelectual ability is not sufficient for me to have meaningful discussion with you. To someone who thinks he is a legend do you not understand I do not give a damn what you think or say.

 

[LeGenD]

n your very first post you asserted that I spoke nonesense. So why are you desperate now to engage me in conversation.

I repeat your intelectual ability is not sufficient for me to have meaningful discussion with you. To someone who thinks he is a legend do you not understand I do not give a damn what you think or say.

Learn to tolerate criticism.

In almost every thread, you talk about US failures and its impending destruction. I have engaged you and attempted to enlighten you about 'ground realities' of US in many threads. But those discussions have been useless.

- AIPAC controls US. (As if US populace cannot decide for itself?)
- 9/11 happened. (US will fall?)
- Afghanistan invaded. (US will be defeated?)
- Iraq invaded. (US have been defeated?)
- Economic recession of 2008. (US economy will never recover?)
- Possible attack on Iran. (US will be destroyed?)

Do you see a pattern?

It is OK to be Anti-US. But it is not OK to be naive, specially for an ELITE member like you.

 

[iajj]

In an unconventional war, there are unconventional methods used. For example, the Pakistani military puts up a smart face of supporting NATO while its intelligence ensures protection to the group that NATO is fighting against. Both are by law, different entities and cannot be blamed for each of their decision. However, both are complicit.

So in response, NATO has increased drone strikes without any further negotiations.

This grab your throat attitude of both Pakistan and US will push them to a full blown war if both continue to attack each other.

a full-blown war with the US is one and perhaps only way of getting out of the subversive (non-)war US is waging with its enemies. and i strongly take issues with your characterization of pakistani and taleban approach to the war as unconventional: yes, their tactics are unconventional, but american war objectives are fundamentally unconventional and the military means americans take to achieve these unconventional strategic goals are so ruthless that even for perhaps moderate, rational geopolitical objectives that terrestrial powers like pakistan and taleban want to attain they would have to resort to extraordinary means. the anglo-americans and jews have ushered in an age of military technology where we start to witness a disconnect between rational policies and rational tactics, two forms of rationality that used to be completely harmonized in the age of clausewitz. all advocates of international laws and the return to normalcy in international relations have started to realize that subaltern, even irrational methods of war have become the sole and most enlightened path to reason and peace in world politics. it is unfortunate, but such is the consequence of living in a roguish, reckless deployment of the unconventional and judiciously dangerous american military power

 

[regular]

NATO will never win Afghan war

NATO will never win Afghan war: Voice of Russia


Or hopefully Chinese Russian Pakistani and Iranian strategists are noting all this lol

OH!!! Congratulation US/NATO U can never win Afghan war after spending all the $$$ and sacrificing so many ure poor pplz/soldiers lives there.Looks like its reward for ure wisdom.This shows that war is not a solution of any problem........
Its so sad to hear that the American tax money and the precious lives of ure poor soldiers all gone in vain just due to ure stupid war mongering decisions........U guyz need to learn a lesson that only "Respect for other brings U respect and not the hate"

 

[Zarvan]

America have never won a war and have always attacked small countries but than when they enter those countries they get their *** kicked on daily bases thousands of their soldiers die thousands are disabled for life and billions of dollars lost and what is the result those who they threw out from government now the beg them to come back in government and stop hunting them down

 

[Thomas]

they enter those countries they get their *** kicked on daily bases thousands of their soldiers die

If we were getting our ***** kicked in Afghanistan on a daily basis as you claim. Then we would have much more then 3k dead in 10 years of war. Which is one of the lowest casualty figures in the history of warfare for such a major war and the time invlolved.

The Taliban have suffered almost 10x that figure so by your estimation they are really getting their ***** kicked right?

 

[Zarvan]

If we were getting our ***** kicked in Afghanistan on a daily basis as you claim. Then we would have much more then 3k dead in 10 years of war. Which is one of the lowest casualty figures in the history of warfare for such a major war and the time invlolved.

The Taliban have suffered almost 10x that figure so by your estimation they are really getting their ***** kicked right?

Sir your thousands of troops have been killed and according your own new reports you don't report all deaths than worse is those who get disabled for life and billions of dollars lost and who are doing this all to you who don't have even proper shoes to wear and world super power is getting their *** kicked by those people this is the biggest shame a super power can face

If we were getting our ***** kicked in Afghanistan on a daily basis as you claim. Then we would have much more then 3k dead in 10 years of war. Which is one of the lowest casualty figures in the history of warfare for such a major war and the time invlolved.

The Taliban have suffered almost 10x that figure so by your estimation they are really getting their ***** kicked right?

Sir Taliban are not a super power they are nothing when compared to American Power they still control most of Afghanistan and are able to hunt down thousands of Americans