NATO Warns Turkey It Won’t Support Ankara in Conflict With Russia

[passo_del_bosniako]

if it's either few interests or being vaporized I would chose the former.


would I or anyone die for Turkey

or for these rats

I don't think so

is Pakistan going to fight with it's brothers against Russia?? will Pakistan use it's nuclear weapons against Russia


if the Muslim world wants to fight Russia it can do so on it's own.

or you are going to pay us and pay us a lot for our services

You clearly dont understand what's on stake here. US (& NATO) backs down, disregarding article 5. The whole western order goes like a house of cards.

Im guessing you are voting for Trump?

 

[Path-Finder]

NATO was created to defend against a USSR attack in Western Europe.

USSR doesn't exist anymore.

NATO should have been dissolved in 1991

Turkey shouldn't even be in NATO and it should never be allowed to join the EU

WTF Nigel Frage? didn't know he was popular among you yanks!

 

[C130]

You clearly dont understand what's on stake here. US (& NATO) backs down, disregarding article 5. The whole western order goes like a house of cards.

Im guessing you are voting for Trump?

of course I am voting for Trump who should I vote for the Neocons Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio

or maybe I can be partisan vote for a Democrat like Hillary, nope we saw how weak she was as Secretary of State.

or maybe I will vote for the Socialist Bernie Sanders who will either turn us into a Sweden or Venezuela

like I said NATO shouldn't even exist and Turkey shouldn't be a member.

Russia and Iran are on the right on Syria and the whole Middle East question, and Trump knows that.

I rather have someone who knows what's wrong and can fix the problem or at least keep us out of it

if you all wanna get bogged down in a war with Russia then by all means

 

[passo_del_bosniako]

NATO was clearly formed to protect USA interests, not to protect other members'.

well, sometimes are those one and same. Like, dunno, being run over by Red Army. Just ask Poles, Checzh, Hungarians, the Baltics... how fun that ride was.

Im anti-communist and have no nostalgia for Yugoslavio not love for Tito. Only thing that would prevent me to piss on his grave if I had a chance is his "No" to Stalin and d purge of his party from soviet agents.

 

[C130]

WTF Nigel Frage? didn't know he was popular among you yanks!

I've been of fan of Nigel Farage since 2009

 

[libertycall]

Well, you may end up with very few interests... something like return to the early 1900s

Two words: Iran deal.

Slightly more than that. The strategy is to splinter the middle-east. Take either the Oded Yinon or Ralph Peters plan, they both add up to the same thing: first take away Turkey's eastern-most areas and then slice all around Iran.

I know many sectarian Pakistanis have a deep hatred of Zia, but when the US needed Pakistan, he made sure to push a America for the best it had to offer, from nukes to the F-16's still being used today.

Turkey on the other hand made a fatal error in not developing its own defense capabilities to the maximum extent. Just as Ukraine and Kazakhstan did by giving up theirs.

OMG that guy looks creepy! Hopefully you don't let him hang around any of your younger relatives....

 

[C130]

Slightly more than that. The strategy is to splinter the middle-east. Take either the Oded Yinon or Ralph Peters plan, they both add up to the same thing: first take away Turkey's eastern-most areas and then slice all around Iran.

I know many sectarian Pakistanis have a deep hatred of Zia, but when the US needed Pakistan, he made sure to push a America for the best it had to offer, from nukes to the F-16's still being used today.

Turkey on the other hand made a fatal error in not developing its own defense capabilities to the maximum extent. Just as Ukraine and Kazakhstan did by giving up theirs.



OMG that guy looks creepy! Hopefully you don't let him hang around any of your younger relatives....

that's not funny m8

Rotherham child sexual exploitation scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[passo_del_bosniako]

of course I am voting for Trump who should I vote for the Neocons Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio

or maybe I can be Partisan vote for a Democrat like Hillary, nope we saw how weak she was Secretary of State.

or maybe I will vote the socialist Bernie Sanders who will either turn us into Sweden or Venezuela

like I said NATO shouldn't even exist and Turkey shouldn't be a member.

Russia and Iran on the right on Syria and the whole Middle East question, and Trump knows that.

I rather have someone who knows what's wrong and can fix the problem

if you all wanna get bogged down in a war with Russia then by all means

OMG...

Yes, thats hFinland and Sweden who warent members of Nato during Cold war today are heading towards it.

What f war. Its abt detterance... If NATO isnt crazy for a war, Russia certanly is even more less crazy. USSR, with much more resurces then todays Russia knew where d line was. Never crossed it. Now... esspecially with this Ukraine, Syria fiasco... no one knows where d line is, cause your gov decided to deal with a bully by appeasing him. It never works. And Putin will push fruther and fruther till... US got his balls back, or the world as we know it is no more. WIth chaos on every continet, no international bodies... the jungle.

 

[libertycall]

@C130 I'm not your 'mate' and you should look at the beam in your own White eye before getting all excited because a brown person committed a crime. How odd that you don't find this and other crimes committed within your own community equally of note.


SEXUAL ABUSE OF NATIVE AMERICAN CHILDREN BY WHITE CHRISTIAN EUROPEANS.

“Father Pohlen sat me down, unzipped his pants, took his penis out, and began to wipe it on my face and lips. I was terrified. I didn’t know what was happening. In later sessions, sometimes behind the altar and sometimes at his house, suddenly I’d be choking and something would be running out of my mouth. He’d also turn me around and rape me, hurting me badly as he used his hands to grip my hair, neck, or shoulders.

“He rotated among about five of us younger boys, which left me with such confused emotions. On days it wasn’t my turn, I was so grateful, yet I felt terrible that one of my little friends was suffering. I also dreaded the fact that my day was coming again soon. Worst of all, I had no one to turn to, not even God, because God’s representative on earth was the one hurting me.

“Soon a nun began to abuse me as well, placing me under her gown and rubbing my little hands between her legs. This was something the nuns did to other children there, too. It was horrifying, not just because of what she was doing but because it was dark and I couldn’t breathe. Other abuse included beating us with sticks, hoses, and even a metal shovel.

South Dakota Boarding School Survivors Detail Sexual Abuse - ICTMN.com

AND how White European Christians in America were transferred to South America as part of a cover-up...where they moved to abuse brown children.

SEXUAL ABUSE OF BROWN LATIN AMERICAN CHILDREN BY WHITE CHRISTIAN EUROPEANS

The priests GlobalPost confronted on camera, far from the US and European churches where the sexual abuse allegations occurred, include:

- Father Carlos Urrutigoity, accused of sharing beds with and fondling teenage boys in Scranton, Pennsylvania. The bishop of Scranton called him a “serious threat to young people,” but in Paraguay, reporters found him leading Mass in a major church. He had been promoted to second-in-command of the diocese of Ciudad del Este.

- Father Francisco “Fredy” Montero, accused of abusing a 4-year-old girl in Minneapolis, Minnesota. He relocated to his native Ecuador, where he was placed in a succession of remote parishes — despite a dossier sent by the Archdiocese of Minneapolis to his new diocese, warning of Montero’s past.

- Father Paul Madden, who admitted molesting a 13-year-old boy on a mission trip when he was stationed in Jackson, Mississippi. The diocese paid the victim’s family $50,000 and Madden moved to the diocese of Chimbote, Peru, where he still celebrates Mass each week.

- Father Jan Van Dael, accused of molesting several young men in his native Belgium before moving to northeastern Brazil, where he started an orphanage for street kids. Van Dael is under investigation by Belgian and Brazilian authorities after accusations of abuse arose in Brazil, too.

Another priest [GlobalPost] tracked down, Father Federico Fernandez Baeza, was indicted by a grand jury in 1987 on two second-degree felony charges of indecency with a child.

South America Has Become a Safe Haven for U.S. and European Priests Accused of Sexual Abuse - Truthdig

 

[C130]

OMG...

Yes, thats hFinland and Sweden who warent members of Nato during Cold war today are heading towards it.

What f war. Its abt detterance... If NATO isnt crazy for a war, Russia certanly is even more less crazy. USSR, with much more resurces then todays Russia knew where d line was. Never crossed it. Now... esspecially with this Ukraine, Syria fiasco... no one knows where d line is, cause your gov decided to deal with a bully by appeasing him. It never works. And Putin will push fruther and fruther till... US got his balls back, or the world as we know it is no more. WIth chaos on every continet, no international bodies... the jungle.

Russian isn't the aggressor we are.

This is a game of chess and we moved first.

MAD assures the U.S and Russia will not go to direct war against one another, and keeps the other in check.

We are destabilizing that balance.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

of course I am voting for Trump who should I vote for the Neocons Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio

or maybe I can be partisan vote for a Democrat like Hillary, nope we saw how weak she was as Secretary of State.

or maybe I will vote for the Socialist Bernie Sanders who will either turn us into a Sweden or Venezuela

And Sweden ranks #2 on this list of best countries to live in.
And nooo, rank #1 is not the U.S, which ranks #24..,
It is our dear neighbour, Denmark.

I guess You logical choice is clear.

 

[C130]

@C130 I'm not your 'mate' and you should look at the beam in your own White eye before getting all excited because a brown person committed a crime



South Dakota Boarding School Survivors Detail Sexual Abuse - ICTMN.com

is this a tit for tat. you just said Nigel looks like a kiddy fiddler, but when one of the biggest cases of abuse of children was from pack of British Pakistani.

was I implying this was a race thing or that white people can't be pedophiles as well??

hell one of the biggest conspiracies have to deal with the Royal Family concerning pedophilia and satanism

 

[Brutas]

EU will never allow Turkey to be a member. At best partner as Germans proposed.
NATO will unlikely invoke Article 5 (collective defense) to save the Turks as NATO's primary mission is to protect western Europe.

For all purpose Turkey's future lies with states in Balkans, Caucasus. With Albania-Bosnia-Kosovo and willing others (?) it should form a Balkan alliance. Considering the massive surge of immigrants in the last few years it's EU dream will not materialize. Rise of center-right parties all over EU will never allow Turks to become European !

 

[C130]

And Sweden ranks #2 on this list of best countries to live in.
And nooo, rank #1 is not the U.S, which ranks #24..,
It is our dear neighbour, Denmark.

I guess You logical choice is clear.

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yeah and Sweden is taxed out the ***.

do you honestly think a Swedish system would work in the U.S

turn it into a Scandinavian utopia.

I hope Bernie Sanders can turn Detroit into Stockholm or more likely Malmo

 

[libertycall]

is this a tit for tat. you just said Nigel looks like a kiddy fiddler, but when one of the biggest cases of abuse of children was from pack of British Pakistani.

was I implying this was a race thing or that white people can't be pedophiles as well??

hell one of the biggest conspiracy have to deal with the Royal Family concerning pedophilia and satanism

Tit for tat? He looks like a creep. The fact that you can't see that from a mile away is the amazing thing.

A 'pack of British Pakistani'? The largest cases of child sexual abuse was by your fellow white europeans in the usa! It actually began as soon as christopher columbus landed and in according to his own account the first thing he did was take sexual slaves!

Shall I move on to discuss how many black children were raped by the white european slave-masters in the USA?? Shall we discuss how black children were SOLD AS ALLIGATOR BAIT??

Go ask the White Brits why they still have a statue of Cecil Rhodes, a CONFIRMED KIDDY FIDDLER in some of their most prominent places.

Shall we discuss how many Asian children were raped by White US troops?? Shall we discuss how the UN itself has accepted that White French troops were raping children??

But none of that matters to you right? Because you're not really interested in the fact that its children being exploited, you're interested in the fact that the color of the criminal is black or brown. GTFO with your BS.

I said he looked like a creep, and the FIRST thing you did was pull out some pictures of British Pakistanis accused of being kiddy fiddlers.

What does that say about your racial stereotypes? Shall I pull out a story about incest and abuse of children among Whites in America? You've got race on the brain. Everything is perceived through the prism of race.