NATO copters violate Pak airspace

[GentlemanObserver]

Because the topic under discussion is the air space violation by NATO and not Pakistan's role in WOT. And GoP has publically chosen a side in this war already...



Which anti Pakistan non sense from me in this thread prompted you to personally attack me? Do point that out ...




You must be well aware of how many accidental civilian deaths have happened in KP during the PA's COIN ops.. In war, everything doesnt run like a pre planned script. Mix ups happen..specially at the front lines


No 2 thoughts about it. Raise a stink diplomatically and if it doent work out, back out of the alliance in WOT. No point in making unrealistic statement about shooting down an allied chopper which serve no purpose but to release pent up aggression.

If i personally attacked you or if you felt that, then please accept my sincerest apologies. As for the rest, i stand my ground... Enough is enough, we are being taken for a ride by every tom, dick and harry.

 

[Muhammad-Bin-Qasim]

Really!? How so... How is the sacrifice of our people unrelated. You yourself asked we need to chose a side, is our intention not clear enough for you?





Again, you are not directly facing or will ever face the consequences of this, my term in university ends this year, i return to Pakistan in March 2011... It directly effects me and every other PAKISTANI

My posts are balanced! until people start over stepping the mark when it comes to my nation. You guys don't tolerate anti Indian nonsense on PDF, why should we tolerate anti Pakistani nonsense here either?



LandiKotal - 2nd November

Kurham Agency - 29 September


2 Incidents in such short time span... mix ups?


Sovereigntyis Sovereignty... I am sure you would be "balanced" enough to understand that? Is it too much to ask allies to respect that... Especially since no HOT pursuit agreements are in place?

Or how about we ally ourselves with India in a war against some sort of terrorism (lets choose sikhs)... then we can go in randomly bomb some Indian punjab area (in pursuit of them sikhs again)... I think then he will understand... (hopefully)

 

[topgun787]

We can't bear more of these

 

[foxbat]

Or how about we ally ourselves with India in a war against some sort of terrorism (lets choose sikhs)... then we can go in randomly bomb some Indian punjab area (in pursuit of them sikhs again)... I think then he will understand... (hopefully)

India ally with Pakistan ..?? Duh !!!

Anyway the dynamics of Indo Pak relations are totally different from Pak-US relations. In this case you are equating yourself to US and India to Pakistan.

Pakistan does not enjoy either the military or diplomatic hold over India as USA enjoys over Pakistan. So avoid irrelavant comaprisons that are way inside the realm of non sense..

 

[LeGenD]

Or how about we ally ourselves with India in a war against some sort of terrorism (lets choose sikhs)... then we can go in randomly bomb some Indian punjab area (in pursuit of them sikhs again)... I think then he will understand... (hopefully)

Or Maoists?

 

[LeGenD]

India ally with Pakistan ..?? Duh !!!

Anyway the dynamics of Indo Pak relations are totally different from Pak-US relations. In this case you are equating yourself to US and India to Pakistan.

Pakistan does not enjoy either the military or diplomatic hold over India as USA enjoys over Pakistan. So avoid irrelavant comaprisons that are way inside the realm of non sense..

You did not get his point.

His point is that (suppose) that Pakistan and India are jointly fighting a common enemy, which is plaguing our territories. In such a case, if Pakistan conducts military strikes inside India without seeking permission under the garb of hot pursuit, Indians may not like it. They would rather appreciate logistical support.

 

[SQ8]

It is quite possible these violations were accidental..
The choppers may have been chasing militants..and in the heat repositioning for an attack.. not realized they were crossing the border.
Had they come in..and fired inside at militants.
A protest is best to be lodged.
Had they come in and hit a FC post..
A stronger diplomatic response..preferably a clear warning that next time they will be shot down..

 

[Rank]

It is quite possible these violations were accidental..
The choppers may have been chasing militants..and in the heat repositioning for an attack.. not realized they were crossing the border.
Had they come in..and fired inside at militants.
A protest is best to be lodged.
Had they come in and hit a FC post..
A stronger diplomatic response..preferably a clear warning that next time they will be shot down..

how many times ?? 200 300 400.. everytime mistake ??? and chasing excuse ?

 

[KS]

If you say so Sherlock. If you say so.

It doesnt need a Sherlock to figure this common sense oriented thingy.

And FYI... It's not just me saying this:

Pakistan warns of response to Nato incursions

Who said that Pakistan doesnt protest (in a hollow way,of course) ??
Has the drone attacks stopped after these 'protests' and 'warnings' lol...NO...Hellfires seem to be dropping with increasing intensity with each passing day....So decide for yourself whose the boss out there.

 

[Zizou]

May be NATO is overstocked ... expect some 20 odd containers flamed somewhere tomorrow ...

We are NO DPRK but we are NO IRAQ or Afghanistan either ... Respect ...

 

[SQ8]

It doesnt need a Sherlock to figure this common sense oriented thingy.




Who said that Pakistan doesnt protest (in a hollow way,of course) ??
Has the drone attacks stopped after these 'protests' and 'warnings' lol...NO...Hellfires seem to be dropping with increasing intensity with each passing day....So decide for yourself whose the boss out there.

half of those hellfires we tell them where to drop...
The protests are for local consumption...and that is that..
However..manned incursions.. by jets or by choppers means greater firepower than we deem necessary for hitting such targets of opportunity...also..
what if.. just what if..a NATO helo..or jet goes down over pakistan..and a NATO pilot is caught and executed..what would be the repercussions of that?

 

[GentlemanObserver]

May be NATO is overstocked ... expect some 20 odd containers flamed somewhere tomorrow ...

We are NO DPRK but we are NO IRAQ or Afghanistan either ... Respect ...

Spoken the truth sir... Tit for tat! Sad but true.

Also Santro thank you for your analysis. It is highly welcome on this thread.

 

[foxbat]

You did not get his point.

His point is that (suppose) that Pakistan and India are jointly fighting a common enemy, which is plaguing our territories. In such a case, if Pakistan conducts military strikes inside India without seeking permission under the garb of hot pursuit, Indians may not like it. They would rather appreciate logistical support.

I got his point pretty well.. Specially the referce to the sikh militancy..

But 2 things dont match

1. We are not talking of a bombing run inside Pakistan, but a simple crossing of the border
2. The Indo Pak relations are too acidic for such an incident. However say if this happened at Sino Pak border, I am sure your FC would have invited the chopper to land and shared a meal with them before sending them back with gifts.. Isnt it? So its really not the act itself, but your equation with USA that is driving this reaction..

 

[KS]

half of those hellfires we tell them where to drop...

Not disputing the one half --- other half the US fires on its own volition inside the sovereign territory of Pakistan.

The protests are for local consumption...and that is that..
However..manned incursions.. by jets or by choppers means greater firepower than we deem necessary for hitting such targets of opportunity...also..

Exactly they are for local consumption only and in no way reflects the realities.These 'protests' are worth nilch to US.If they deem necessary they will do.

what if.. just what if..a NATO helo..or jet goes down over pakistan..and a NATO pilot is caught and executed..what would be the repercussions of that?

Depends on who executes the pilot ---- If in anyway it is found out that FC or the Army is complicit then I dont need to say what will happen.

Also even if its the Taliban themselves,then it will provide even more reason for the US to extend the scope of the drone attacks and bring in other aircraft if deemed necessary.

P.s.: My post was always addressed to those jingos who think that PAF should shoot down a Attack chopper if it crosses again. I just want them to know its not that simple.Because you shoot down an attack shopper -- what will you do the next time if some B-52s or A-10s come escorted by F-15s and F-18s..Still you will want to try to shoot them ?

 

[GentlemanObserver]

P.s.: My post was always addressed to those jingos who think that PAF should shoot down a Attack chopper if it crosses again. I just want them to know its not that simple.

Firslty i am surprised you feel you have the right to lable people...

Secondly you underestimate the people who post here, by a large margin. In the end this will be your downfall, your overconfidence. We are not blind, keep that in mind.