NATO Attacks Pakistani Check-post

[Mav3rick]

"...please get this in your heads that your so called 'aid is for the ruling elite so they can watch out for your interests and do all your dirty work."

No, Abu Basit. You get it in YOUR HEAD that there's not a damned thing you can do to stop that aid. Our choice. Our decision. Hopefully my government will decide trying to help those incapable of helping themselves is a waste of money and effort.

Want to stop it though? Throw out your government, party leaders and ruling military clique.

THAT's something Pakistanis can do. Then, take it one step further and declare an Islamic state at war with Afghanistan and America.

Do the right and manly thing instead of sitting behind a computer wailing about America using the Pakistani reality to protect our interests. Change that reality.

Or...commit to democracy, await elections and do a MUCH better job of identifying real candidates and electing them.

Either way your fault if you don't care enough to change the prevailing paradigm.

Thanks.

So any Islamic state is automatically at war with the US? How stupid.

 

[Ahmad Abdullah Ravian]

i don't feel sorry nor do have any sympathies for cowards.

But they are muslims and also they have no authority to shot drones themselves

 

[Mav3rick]

ahh, but you miss the big picture by failing to ask why the taleban are more popular and widespread now than they were a few years ago (even around the time your former president declared "victory" in the 'other' war theater --for whatever that was worth)

it seems the US made the same screw-up two times.


You alienated the Baathists in Iraq, some who were willing to work with their opponents for a stable and peaceful country (in the Iraqi context, everything is relative)

You alienated the Pakhtuns in Afghanistan by dogmatically clinging to other ethnic groups which had as much blood on their hands as groups like the taleban did. Much to your own detriment.


rest is self explanatory....






regards









p.s. BBC NEWS | South Asia | Afghanistan's alienated Pashtuns


2003 report!

Did it ever occur to you that you are wasting your time with S-2? The guy is so full of himself he will not open up to reasons and ground realities. He can never understand the dynamics of Pakistani politics and military, neither can he understand the sacrifice the nation of Pakistan has gifted them in the past decades. What else can you expect from someone who is defending his country that invaded Afghanistan to defeat Al-Qaeda and OBL, now it's all about the Talibaan.........why would you waste your time with someone who fundamentally misunderstands Talibaan perhaps intentionally to defend his country's political goals, foreign and domestic.

I think you are wasting your energy on him.

 

[Mav3rick]

But they are muslims and also they have no authority to shot drones themselves

Do they need authorization to defend themselves?

 

[Abu Basit]

"...please get this in your heads that your so called 'aid is for the ruling elite so they can watch out for your interests and do all your dirty work."

No, Abu Basit. You get it in YOUR HEAD that there's not a damned thing you can do to stop that aid. Our choice. Our decision. Hopefully my government will decide trying to help those incapable of helping themselves is a waste of money and effort.

Want to stop it though? Throw out your government, party leaders and ruling military clique.

THAT's something Pakistanis can do. Then, take it one step further and declare an Islamic state at war with Afghanistan and America.

Do the right and manly thing instead of sitting behind a computer wailing about America using the Pakistani reality to protect our interests. Change that reality.

Or...commit to democracy, await elections and do a MUCH better job of identifying real candidates and electing them.

Either way your fault if you don't care enough to change the prevailing paradigm.

Thanks.

it was this arrogance which paved the way to throw out Americans and their useless slaves from Iran and finally resulting in an Islamic Revolution. Please keep up the as usual 'arrogant attitude' and soon Pakistanis will follow the foot step of Iran.

Don't you worry, we will definitely throw out the American slaves i.e our ruling class, plus- we will book them (dead or alive) to your country so you can display these traitors in your museums.

Yes Yes, tell your government to stop the so called 'aid to Pakistan as this bribe will not change our perception that America is an enemy state. Don't waste your tax payer money and put it to better use like funding the millions unemployed in America or paying back Chinese loans.

 

[Abu Basit]

Can americans here tell me what is the end game in Afghanistan?I can't see anything viable and sustainable coming out of this current setup

What else it could be " Americans running with their tails between legs"

 

[S-2]

"...tell your government to stop the so called 'aid to Pakistan as this bribe will not change our perception that America is an enemy state."

If we're an enemy state would you agree that Pakistan should make war upon Americans wherever they may be found?

"...Don't you worry, we will definitely throw out the American slaves i.e our ruling class, plus- we will book them (dead or alive) to your country so you can display these traitors in your museums."

Would you recommend that Pakistanis rise up and overthrow the present government and the current Pakistani military leadership?

Thanks.

 

[Mav3rick]

If we're an enemy state would you agree that Pakistan should make war upon Americans wherever they may be found?

No, we do not consider all Americans to be our enemies, just the ones that are butchering human beings within our boundary without regard, just the ones who are murdering civilians without a fair trial.

Would you recommend that Pakistanis rise up and overthrow the present government and the current Pakistani military leadership?

Any overthrown government will be replaced by similar puppets, sold out foreign nationals! Military should cleanse itself from within first and then change the future of the country by placing the leadership in the hands of those who are neither criminals not traitors.

Thanks.

You are welcome.

 

[MumbaiIndians]

USA and Europe are just trying to keep alive their dying influence in the region -

1. If USA and NATO wants, it can finish off this Taliban business very quickly. But they won't.
2. Pakistan is not allowing US investments into its economy the way americans want it. This will allow USA to take control of Pakistan in more comprehensive way. This is a major contention between US and Pakistan, OBL is only a smaller drama and irrelevant here.
3. USA wants to cut off Pakistan from India and sabotage SAARC economic block. SAARC currency will single handedly over-shadow Euro as single biggest currency block in just 10 years, if you look at market size of SAARC.
4. Keeping TTP alive helps in accomplishing 2 and 3.
5. After the Civilian Govt. (zardari) came to power, 2 and 3 are becoming more difficult because Civilian politicos of Pakistan are in favour of good economic relations with India.
6. The recent OBL episode took place due to event 5. Otherwise, there was no hurry to do 5. OBL episode is convincing me that, USA will attempt something more desperate in coming months to take control in the region.

Now, some obervations:

1. Let it be clear, that an unstable Pakistan in hands of Jihadis is bad for India and China both. But it fully achieves USA+British European agendas for region.
2. There might be some temptations in China to let this unstable situation carry on for few more years or a decade, to slow down regional growth. It will help China push up its own profile in Asia.
3. China has no stakes in SAARC or rupee block. In fact, it will only hurt China(renmibi) as competitor. Same is true with Dollar and Euro. Noone likes a new competitor.
4. Saudis have no role in this region and never had in history. Those who think they have, are fooling themself and only helping outside agendas. Saudis have sold out their own state to west, why they will fight for you? The recent attack on Saudi diplomat was showing this frustration of a segment in Pakistan who believed in that idea. Its a wake up sign.

Points 3,3 above are very important. That's the reason China, USA and Europe all have common objective here. They will keep region boiling forever and break it if possible.

I think the end-game here is, India and Pakistan should join hands to finish off this western funded terrorism mess(started with Saudi+USA funded Jehad war on Soviets) and form an economic union. Lets bring peace and prosperity for our brothers. Its time to complete what was left in 1947.