Nationalism is not patriotic, it is divisive and dangerous: Raghuram Rajan

[HariVamsha]

Sanghi Nationalism does not incorporate all Indian cultures.
I'm an advocate for Indian traditions.
Thing is, most sanghis will not be able to recognise one of the hundred ayurvedic medicines in my home and will instead swear by gomutra.

Indian cultures have always learned from the world and evolved. Sanghi never evolves. Their worldview was learned from the Victorians, not from India.

Islamists and Evangelists and Sanghis should be put on a remote island together.

I feel ashamed to even call it Hindutva, because I'll be disrespecting Hindus, of which I'm one, from a Muslim family.

Indian culture is what is know as Hindu culture that is why even Arabs call Indian muslims as hindus. You claim you are one, but don't know the first thing about it. You refuse to learn anything about it, except for whatever you make up in your own fantasy and call it "hinduism".

Gomutra IS one of the hundred of ayurvedic medicines and the fact that you sneer on it, Just proves that you have no respect for ayurveda and only pay lip service to it. A Hindutva Sanghi unlike you will accept and adopt ALL Ayurvedic medicines.

SO LOL at your Narrow mined description of Ayurveda.

The world has evolved and learned from Hindu culture, not the other way around

That you are unable to recognize this simple reality again shows the depth of your ignorance.

Sanghi's world view stems from the Dharma shastras, not victorian values. Those are CHRISTIAN and Islamic values. Stuff like relative "morality".

Your posts have only highlighted your prejudices, not your open minded acceptance of facts. And frankly no one is surprised.

 

[KapitaanAli]

Gomutra IS one of the hundred of ayurvedic medicines and the fact that you sneer on it,

I know it is. You missed the point.
I'm describing how narrow and unevolving their worldview is.

 

[HariVamsha]

I know it is. You missed the point.
I'm describing how narrow and unevolving their worldview is.

Nope, my post was about the points YOU missed.

If you know gomutra was part of Ayurveda, then what was the point of attempting to make it sound like an insult by labeling Hindutva with it ?

LOL at you for thinking that such a thing would even be considered an inslut by a Hindu. Only an islamist would consider it an insult and the very Fact that you DID think its an insult tells us about your Mindset.

The only post that appear narrow and unevolving is your post filled with slander and ignorance, but peppered with selective adaptation of Hindu values as per your convenience.

This is visible to all who care read out exchange, but for you to recognize it, would need a unprejudiced mindset.

 

[KapitaanAli]

you know gomutra was part of Ayurveda, then what was the point of attempting to make it sound like an insult by labeling Hindutva with it ?

The insult is that they're still stuck on gomutra while losing almost everything else valuable about ayurveda and being unable to apply it in daily life, like parts of India not infected by Sanghis have managed to do.

Narrow minded.
Unevolving.
With a sense of morality learned from Victorians.

 

[jamahir]

LOL..... this of course was said by him about the BRITISH GOVERNMENT ruling America at that time. BEFORE the American war of Independence

So??

He is not suggesting that one fights their own government unless its election time and that fight is fought with the ballot paper and voting machines.

Can you elaborate this??

 

[KapitaanAli]

As I'm typing this, my parents are telling other relatives about a dozen types of ayurvedic oils that a sanghi wouldn't have even heard of in life. Half of these names are derived from Hindu Gods.
These are all practising Muslims.

That's the difference between a Sanghi and an Indian.

 

[HariVamsha]

The insult is that they're still stuck on gomutra while losing almost everything else valuable about ayurveda and being unable to apply it in daily life, like parts of India not infected by Sanghis have managed to do.

Narrow minded.
Unevolving.
With a sense of morality learned from Victorians.

LOL..... seriously ?

Have you heard of Patanjali , the BILLION $ Ayurvedic company started by a Sanghi ? Its products consumed by Sanghi's all over India ?

Now show my anything comparable by a Malayalee, forget malayalee hindu. LOL.

Your posts are the very definition of Narrow minded, Blind, ignorant and unevolving. All these evidence right in front of you and you remain BLIND to it. The Irony could not be more stark.

So??

Its about fighting foreign oppression. Totally irrelevant to India in todays times. Unless its fighting the colonial mindset.

Can you elaborate this??

Bang Bang BAD. Vote Vote GOOD.

As I'm typing this, my parents are telling other relatives about a dozen types of ayurvedic oils that a sanghi wouldn't have even heard of in life. Half of these names are derived from Hindu Gods.
These are all practising Muslims.

That's the difference between a Sanghi and an Indian.

Why don't you post the names of 5 such Ayurveda oils ?

I will be waiting.

 

[KapitaanAli]

Now show my anything comparable by a Malayalee, forget malayalee hindu. LOL.

You must be F##KING kidding me.
Patanjali is a little kid that makes low quality CRAP as compared to Kerala brands like Kottakkal and Thaikkattu who have been making meds for CENTURIES and owns unparalleled research facilities.

They don't take front page ad with some low quality yogi smiling though. They're actual ayurvedic masters.

Why don't you post the names of 5 such Ayurveda oils ?

I will be waiting.

This is dumb. I can just Google.
You're free not to believe me.

You've lost all credibility by not knowing Ayurvedic brands from literally the capital of Ayurveda, Kerala.
You should be ashamed for calling yourself a Mallu.

 

[HariVamsha]

You must be F##KING kidding me.
Patanjali is a little kid that makes low quality CRAP as compared to Kerala brands like Kottakkal and Thaikkattu who have been making meds for CENTURIES and owns unparalleled research facilities.

They don't take front page ad with some low quality yogi smiling though. They're actual ayurvedic masters.

Yeah, right.

Patanjali's turnover in 2017 is going to be 2 BILLION $.

Ayurveda has been there for Hundreds of centuries. Kottakka however was started in 1902. Barely ONE century, not "CENTURIES".

Thaikkattu legacy is not the same as Ayurvedic legacy. Thaikkattu too only goes back a hundred years.

Proof of the pudding is in the Eating. Calling yourself "masters" does not make you one. Making sure that ayurveda reaches Everyone is what makes you a MASTER.

Baba Ramdev is a True Master.

Not only has he ensured YOGA reaches everyone, he also ensured Ayurveda reaches everyone, Not just the Elite.

This is dumb. I can just Google.
You're free not to believe me.

You've lost all credibility by not knowing Ayurvedic brands from literally the capital of Ayurveda, Kerala.
You should be ashamed for calling yourself a Mallu.

So google it and tell me

What is stopping you ?

You are the one claiming only Mallus know about it and not the rest of the Sanghis. PROVE IT.

Why are you Afraid to prove your own absurd claims ?

LOL at your pathetic attempt to issue a "Mallu" certificate to me. I don't need a worthless certificate from the likes of you.


So put the money where your mouth is and PROVE your point.

 

[KapitaanAli]

What is stopping you ?

Don't be such a kid.
Here, knock yourself out. Most of them smell great. Sadly you'll never find out.

http://www.aryavaidyasala.com/products.php?cate=9&cate_product=

Patanjali's turnover in 2017

Do you know where babaji makes profit?
Ghee, toothpaste, hair oil, honey, soap...

Patanjali is just riding the nationalist wave. It has neither tradition, nor knowledge in actual medicines. (If they ever gain the knowledge, it'll be from the graduates of the numerous ayurvedic colleges in guess where, yup.)
And obviously Sanghis aren't buying their "actual" meds.

There's a reason even the army shooed them away for low quality crap.

There are many companies in Kerala that make ayurvedic soaps.
You know what we call them? SOAP COMPANIES.
Actual ayurvedic companies make and sell ACTUAL medicines. Toothpaste and toothpowder(and rarely soap) is a side business for them.

Patanjali can't exist without soap and powder. Lol.

 

[HariVamsha]

Don't be such a kid.
Here, knock yourself out. Most of them smell great. Sadly you'll never find out.

http://www.aryavaidyasala.com/products.php?cate=9&cate_product=

But ... but .... but what is so special about those products ?

They are generic ayurvedic products mentioned in Ayurvedic books like Astanga Hrdayam and Caraka Samhita.

YOU claimed about stuff not known to "Sanghis"

Where are THOSE stuff.

Do you know where babaji makes profit?
Ghee, toothpaste, hair oil, honey, soap...

So ?

Those are Ayurvedic toothpastes, hair oils , honey and soaps.

Or didn't you know that ? Even the Ghee is made as per the Ayurvedic guidelines.

How is this a bad thing ?

Patanjali is just riding the nationalist wave. It has neither tradition, nor knowledge in actual medicines. (If they ever gain the knowledge, it'll be from the graduates of the numerous ayurvedic colleges in guess where, yup.)
And obviously Sanghis aren't buying their "actual" meds.

LOL...... seriously ?

In case you did not know, ALL these ayurvedic medicines are available in open sources since none of them are copy righted

ANYONE can buy these copies of ancient Ayurvedic books and start making medicines and stuff.

Where do you think these Ayurvedic colleges know their stuff from ? ? ?

Another super ignorant post from a fool who claims to be an expert on Ayurveda. LOL.

There's a reason even the army shooed them away for low quality crap.

really ? How many Kottakkal products are used by the Army ? ...... must mean they too are low quality crap.

Or do you have two different standards like any other islamic hypocrite.

There are many companies in Kerala that make ayurvedic soaps.
You know what we call them? SOAP COMPANIES.
Actual ayurvedic companies make and sell ACTUAL medicines. Toothpaste and toothpowder(and rarely soap) is a side business for them.

Patanjali can't exist without soap and powder. Lol.

So ?

You are free to call them mother mary and muhammed bhai company too if you want.

All products from Patanjali are ACTUAL AYURVEDIC products.

INCLUDING soaps and toothpastes and Chavanprash.

 

[KapitaanAli]

But ... but .... but what is so special about those products ?

They are generic ayurvedic products mentioned in Ayurvedic books like Astanga Hrdayam and Caraka Samhita.

Who said these are some secret medicines?
(Some of them are not from scriptures)
I said sanghis wouldn't have even heard the names.
How many of these """generic""" medicines does babaji make? Lmao.

You clearly don't understand the value of expertise and tradition.
Good luck reading Charakan's and Vagbhatan's writings and trying to make ayurvedic medicines in a modern way.
Not to mention that most of these medicines don't follow the scriptures accurately, for good reasons.
This is what I mean by "evolving".
Ayurveda, just like any science, evolves. Only those who have kept it alive and have practised it, can know how to properly evolve it.
Your mind is unable to fathom it.
There's a reason no sanghi makes ayurvedic medicines on this level.
There's a reason sanghis prefer to call herbal toothpaste and gomutra the pinnacle of ayurveda.

For actual ayurveda practitioners, ghee and tooth powder will remain just an extra thing they do.

 

[HariVamsha]

Who said these are some secret medicines?
(Some of them are not from scriptures)
I said sanghis wouldn't have even heard the names.
How many of these """generic""" medicines does babaji make? Lmao.

YOU are the one who claimed that sanghi's would have heard the names. But since these are OPEN SOURCE knowledge any and very sanghi could have heard these names.

You don't get it do you ? ANYONE using ayurvda is a sanghi since he is using Sanghi sources.

And that includes your kerala based ayurvedic companies. There are literally THOUSANDS of ayurvedic medicine units in India. ALL of them Sanghi. Lmao indeed.

You clearly don't understand the value of expertise and tradition.
Good luck reading Charakan's and Vagbhatan's writings and trying to make ayurvedic medicines in a modern way.
Not to mention that most of these medicines don't follow the scriptures accurately, for good reasons.
This is what I mean by "evolving".
Ayurveda, just like any science, evolves. Only those who have kept it alive and have practised it, can know how to properly evolve it.
Your mind is unable to fathom it.
There's a reason no sanghi makes ayurvedic medicines on this level.
There's a reason sanghis prefer to call herbal toothpaste and gomutra the pinnacle of ayurveda.

Ya right,

the Hindus who invented Ayurveda does not know how to Evolve Ayurveda

Now muslims like you will teach ayurveda and scriptures to Hindus. Do you even hear yourself ? the absurdity of your claims ?

Hear is a list of Sanghi Ayurvedic medicine manufacturers. LOL.

http://www.pharmatips.in/Articles/P...Products-Manufacturer-Companies-In-India.aspx

https://dir.indiamart.com/impcat/ayurvedic-medicine.html

For actual ayurveda practitioners, ghee and tooth powder will remain just an extra thing they do.

So ?

How is that even relevant ?

 

[KapitaanAli]

Now muslims like you will teach ayurveda and scriptures to Hindus.

I'm sorry you're feeling insecure.
I'm not a believer in religion, if that makes you feel better.
I'm related to these Hindus more than any dumb sanghi. Ayurveda in Kerala is and was nurtured by all religions.
We've old masters and new doctors from all religions who keep pushing the limit and help the science of Ayurveda evolve.
I'm one of those who are keeping Ayurveda alive. Sanghis have no say in this.
Take your gomutra dose and brush with babaji paste.
It helps the famous sanghi insecurity.

Leave the rest of Ayurveda, the meaty part, to us. It's beyond dumb sanghis.
Oh, btw, these Hindu masters also make non-veg recipes.
It's called science.


Comparing people who make hundreds of unique medicines to some dumbos that add "herbal" in everything and call it ayurveda!
Have some shame.

 

[HariVamsha]

I'm sorry you're feeling insecure.
I'm not a believer in religion, if that makes you feel better.
I'm related to these Hindus more than any dumb sanghi. Ayurveda in Kerala is and was nurtured by all religions.
We've old masters and new doctors from all religions who keep pushing the limit and help the science of Ayurveda evolve.
I'm one of those who are keeping Ayurveda alive. Sanghis have no say in this.
Take your gomutra dose and brush with babaji paste.
It helps the famous sanghi insecurity.

Leave the rest of Ayurveda, the meaty part, to us. It's beyond dumb sanghis.
Oh, btw, these Hindu masters also make non-veg recipes.
It's called science.

Comparing people who make hundreds of unique medicines to some dumbos that add "herbal" in everything and call it ayurveda!
Have some shame.

LOL ... let me take your own argument forward.

Since you are the one related to these Hindus, why don't you call yourself a Hindu and take up some Hindu name and shed your Arabic name ? Practice what you preach.

Ayurveda has survived for THOUSANDS of years without any special "nurturing" by Non hindus. I suspect it will continue to survive for a few thousand more years.

In fact by your posts, its pretty clear that its Ayurveda which is nurturing you rather than you nurturing Ayurveda. So spare me your heroics.

Now take your own advice and drink some gomutra for your mental tension. Cow urine balances the tri-dosas and will help you. Drink it twice a day.

Making non veg recipes is called cooking not science And knowing the right words is called knowing English.

LOL at your for first learning the Hindu art of healing and then blaming the same Hindus and claiming superiority over them. You are just pathetic.