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The new S-400 Triumf 92N6E Grave Stone engagement radar on MZKT-7930 chassis. It is the latest and most powerful evolution of the 30N6 Flap Lid family of engagement radars used with the SA-10/20/21 family of SAM systems .
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Russian arms dealers will sell to China by Zhuhai Airshow S-400 missile
Posted on November 14, 2010 by admin


According to Russia’s “military industrial complex” website reported that Russian air defense weapons, the number one manufacturer of diamond – Aetna consortium, has been determined to be November 16 to participate in the opening of the Zhuhai Air Show. It is interesting that the Canadian “Chinese Defense Review,” As previously reported, the PLA in Fujian deployment of advanced Russian-made S-300PMU2 long-range surface to air missiles, “the Air Force severely restricts freedom of movement in Taiwan.” This missile is the diamond – Aetna Commonwealth’s leading products.

Forefront of competitive products to take root across the Taiwan Strait

According to Diamond – Aetna consortium spokesman, China is the company’s top markets. To this end, Diamond – Aetna consortium will show videos in this exhibition, but also disseminate information on S-400 “triumph” of the material surface to air missile system. This implies that the company is actively seeking more Chinese orders.

According to “Chinese and” October Road magazine reported, the PLA has deployed in Fujian eight S-300PMU2 missile launchers. The missile has a maximum range of 200 km, while the Taiwan Strait, the narrowest point is only 130 km north. Taiwan, “Apple Daily” have thus quoted as saying that the Taiwan military generals, S-300PMU2 of the Taiwan military aircraft out of the greater Taipei area pose a serious threat, “God is equal to a range of attacks on the mainland.”

According to the analysis, S-300PMU2 missile radar supporting distance of 300 km, enough to provide early warning, if you meet the data link, the big Lusan Jun can share information in order to achieve a similar system with the U.S. combat capability; the same time, with the S- 300PMU2 deterrent force, the PLA do not have to worry about the safety of other deep targets, strengthen the attacking force could release forces. Thus, the PLA forward deployment of advanced surface to air missiles in the Taiwan Strait, valued not only its range, but also because they can enhance the army’s overall combat effectiveness.

In fact, S-300PMU2 not a diamond – Aetna Commonwealth of the most advanced products. This summer, Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin visited the company, visited with great interest during the S-400 missile production line, and personally got into the tube to see what all the missile launch. He half-jokingly said: “If you take I launched into an altitude of 15,000 meters, maybe I can lay several enemy intercontinental missiles.”

S-400 is the company spent 15 years developing the “ultimate product”, the biggest feature is compatible with both the missile, the first range of 400 km, is said to destroy stealth aircraft, can also be used to deal with airborne early warning aircraft and electronic jamming aircraft; The second and the U.S. “Patriot” PAC-3 missiles rather, the use of active radar guidance, can destroy only 5 meters altitude low altitude targets. These two complementary missile missing, may constitute a multi-level air defense. According to Russian News Agency reported, S-400 in the future with A-135 strategic missile defense system join forces to form the state-wide integrated air defense network in Moscow.

Diamond – Aetna Commonwealth of origin can be traced back to the Soviet Ministry of Electronics Industry 1983 Nianxia issued Decree No. 640. Under the Order, in Moscow Electrical Institute, located in Ventura’s “Heaven Arrow” Institute and an ordnance factory merged into Aetna Associates, specializing in air defense weapons development. April 23, 2002, when Russian President Vladimir Putin issued Decree No. 412, asked Aetna Inc. and Diamond Design Bureau to form a diamond – Aetna air defense concern unlimited stock company, under the jurisdiction of 46 research institutes and enterprises, largest in similar enterprises in the world.

However, the combination have not gone smoothly. Aetna Inc. and Diamond Design Bureau are reluctant to let the other party when the “overlord”, the result the two against each other, and even staged a “Infernal Affairs.” June 6, 2003, diamond – the Commonwealth’s first president, Aetna Eagle Klimov was shot dead in Moscow in front of their own, when he was 42 years old. The case has not solved, the police suspected the Russian diamond – Aetna officers within the Commonwealth of incitement to murder Klimov to fish in troubled waters.

Although there are some shady, but the diamond – the operational capacity of the Commonwealth of Aetna unaffected. So far from the Soviet Union, the company has exported a value of 80 billion dollars in anti-aircraft missiles and related facilities, almost equal to the amount of foreign exchange sales Su -27/30 famous Sukhoi fighter jets. Up to now, this for 3 years by the U.S. consulting firm Teal Group, included the ranks of the world’s top ten arms dealer business, nearly 100 countries to provide air defense systems to “protect the people of the world God” claim.
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Well this is just the beginning, the batteries would be increased later after proper induction.

Hey please someone share the differences between HQ-9 and HQ-18 with us here.

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lol. HQ-18 is S-300PMU2. It is RUSSIAN, but in China it is called HQ-18. China can NOT sell HQ-18.

HQ-9A is currently China's state of the art SAM with equal performance of S-300PMU2. This is why China stopped buying S-300 from Russia.

Pakistan could get HQ-9A from China. It is possible and will significantly enhcance Pakistan's air defence capability. HQ-9A can also intercept ballstic missiles.:china::pakistan:
 
Hi, it is rumored the PAF is interested in FT2000, HQ-18. HQ-9A. Please just buy one of them and quit procrastinating! Take care.
 
Hi, it is rumored the PAF is interested in FT2000, HQ-18. HQ-9A. Please just buy one of them and quit procrastinating! Take care.


It will be HQ-9A. The rumor says that HQ-9B is already in PLA so HQ-9A is now avaiable for export.

HQ-18 NOT Possible it is the same S-300PMU2.

FT-2000, a water down version for export back in early 2000's now it is gone. HQ-9A is competing in Turkey's advanced SAM program now and it is a contendor with S-300PMU2 and American PAC-3!!

Who will win?? No one knows yet, but there is a good possibility that HQ-9A can win if Chinese offer much TOT!
 
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Hongqi-9 (HQ-9)
Country: China
Basing: Land, Sea
Details
The Hongqi-9 (HQ-9) is a long-range, high-altitude, surface-to-air missile system developed and manufactured by China, designed to track and destroy aircraft, cruise missiles, air-to-surface missiles, and tactical ballistic missiles. It incorporates technology from the Russian S-300P (NATO: SA-10 Grumble), the U.S. Patriot missile, and preexisting Chinese systems. (1) At present, China is outfitting its Type 052C destroyers with a naval variant of the HQ-9.(2)

China’s decision to develop and manufacture its own anti-missile system is a manifestation of its twenty-first century goal of achieving what political scientists refer to as “great power status”—the buildup of political, economic, and military strength. A key ingredient of “great power status” is military modernization, in China’s case the renovation of certain outdated aspects of the People’s Liberation Army (PLA).(3) In particular, China has concentrated its recent efforts on boosting its offensive and defensive missile capabilities in order to compete with the U.S. and other Western powers.

Beijing’s specific emphasis on air and missile defense has its roots in the 1991 Persian Gulf War, during which China observed the complete supremacy of U.S. and Coalition air power in Iraq. The ability of the U.S. to decimate Iraq’s ground-based military with cruise missiles and smart bombs served to highlight China’s relative inability to defend its major cities, military assets, industrial complexes, and other high-value assets against such an attack. The development of China’s HQ-9 surface-to-air missile, therefore, is rooted in its observation and understanding of U.S. military power.(4)

Ironically, Beijing has ranked among the most vociferous opponents of U.S. missile defense, having denounced various U.S. initiatives during the Clinton administration, and more recently, the Bush administration’s decision in 2002 to withdraw from the 1972 ABM Treaty.(5) Yet in recent years, China has followed a comprehensive two-track plan to bolster its own air and missile defenses: (1) the purchase of Russian surface-to-air missiles and (2) the development of its own missile defense systems.(6)

An example of this “redundant” acquisition and development program is China’s purchase of S-300P missiles from Russia, and the manufacturing of its own HQ-9 system.(7) The HQ-9, in particular, demonstrates China’s end goal of a comprehensive air and missile defense shield.(8) In a report to Congress on May 28, 2004, the U.S. Department of Defense emphasized this very point:

Significant developments over the past few years to improve China’s integrated air defense system include . . . [the] development of a land-based version of the long-range HQ-9, to precede a naval version, designed to be a long-range counter to high-performance aircraft, cruise missiles, ASMs, and tactical ballistic missiles.(9)


It is important to note, however, that the HQ-9 has been in development since the mid-1990s. In 1993, China purchased a large batch of S-300P missiles from Russia, and allegedly obtained a copy of the U.S. Patriot missile from Israel (although Israel denies that such a transfer took place).(10) The Chinese immediately began incorporating the S-300P and Patriot technology into their own air and missile defense system, the HQ-9. In 1997, the U.S. Office of Naval Intelligence suggested that “technology from advanced Western systems may be incorporated into the HQ-9.”(11) That same year, an official at a Russian missile design bureau acknowledged that the HQ-9 would incorporate the Patriot guidance and propulsion systems, thus confirming U.S. suspicions.(12)

According to missile defense expert David A. Fulghum, “[the HQ-9] uses a seeker-aided ground guidance system. The seeker on the missile sends target data back to the ground, which then correlates the target data for an intercept.”(13) It is assumed that the HQ-9’s seeker is similar to the Patriot’s “Track-via-Missile” guidance system.(14) Such a system, if actually used by the Chinese, would allow the HQ-9 interceptor missile to fly straight toward its target and explode at the point of nearest approach, thus completely destroying the incoming ballistic missile (or aircraft) or knocking it far enough off course so that it misses its intended target. During the Persian Gulf War, the U.S. Patriot Advanced Capability-2 system, which employs “Track-via-Missile,” destroyed its targets between 40 and 70 percent of the time.

In addition to its land-based deployments, the HQ-9 has been recently modified to complement China’s burgeoning naval forces. Over the past few months, the People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) hasoutfitted two Type 052C destroyers with naval variants of the HQ-9, estimated to have a range of 65 nautical miles. Each Type 052C destroyer (similar to the U.S. Aegis destroyer) has six vertical launchers carrying approximately 36 missiles, as well as a phased-array radar system.(15) Initial reports indicate that the naval HQ-9 has a range of 65 nautical miles. The Type 052C destroyers will most likely be based at either Guangzhou or Zhanjiang.(16)

In October 2003, it was announced that China had sold its FT-2000 anti-radiation system, which uses HQ-9 missiles, to Pakistan as part of the latter’s military buildup against India. Many U.S. defense analysts predict that, over the next few years, the HQ-9 and its variants will be aggressively exported throughout Asia, Europe, and the Middle East.
 
Strategic Weapon Systems

HQ-18 (S-300V) (China), Defensive weapons

Description

There were reports that China was building the Hong Qi-18 (HQ-18) missile system, based upon the Russian S-300V1 type 2 (SA-12A 'Gladiator') missile system. This missile system first entered service in Russia in 1983, with the improved S-300V1 version following in 1996.

The missiles can be used against Short-Range Ballistic Missiles (SRBM), aircraft or cruise missile targets, with intercepts taking place at between 25 m and 25 km altitude. The missile has a length of 7.0 m, a body diameter of 0.72 m, and a launch weight of 2,345 kg.

The missile has a 150 kg HE fragmentation warhead, that may be directed towards the target. Guidance is inertial with command updates and a semi-active radar terminal seeker. The maximum range is 100 km. The Chinese may be developing an improved version, but there has been no confirmation.

An unconfirmed report in January 2010 stated that an intercept was made against an Anti-Ballistic Missile (ABM) target, and it is possible that this used an HQ-18 interceptor missile.
 
HQ-9 and HHQ-9 (China), Defensive weapons


Type


Short- and medium-range, ground- and ship-based, solid propellant, theatre defence missiles.

Development

The Chinese are reported to have ordered Russian surface-to-air S-300 PMU (SA-10C 'Grumble') missile batteries in 1991, with follow-up orders in 1994 for the S-300 PMU-1 (SA-10D).

These missiles entered service in Russia in 1985 and 1992 respectively. Some of the later missiles were assembled in China, and it is believed that the Russian manufactured missile systems have the Chinese designator Hong Qi-15 (HQ-15). The Fourth Research Insititute, now CASIC, are reported to have developed an improved version from 1994, and this version has the designator HQ-9.

The HQ-9 and HQ-15 are capable of intercepting short-range ballistic missiles with a range of up to 600 km, cruise missiles, air-to-surface missiles, aircraft, helicopters and UAVs. An upgraded version, designated HQ-9A, was tested in 1999, and entered service in 2001.

A further version, designated HQ-9B, is being developed, with an improved seeker that is reported to have a dual-mode semi-active radar and imaging IR capability. A flight test for the HQ-9B version was reported in February 2006.

An anti-radar SAM version, designated HQ-12 (export version FT-2000), is detailed in a separate record, but it is not clear if this is based upon the HQ-9 design.

The Chinese ordered some S-300 PMU-2 Favorit (SA-20 'Gargoyle') missile systems in August 2004, and it is expected that these will also be built under licence in China as a follow-on to the HQ-9 family.

The Chinese have developed a naval version of HQ-9, and this version is believed to have the designators Hai Hong Qi-9 (HHQ-9)
 
HQ-16/-17 (HHQ-16/-17 and MD-2000) (China), Defensive weapons

Type
Short-range, ground- and ship-based, solid propellant, theatre defence missile systems.

Development

The Hong Qi-16 (HQ-16) project was reported to have been a joint Russian/Chinese development of the Russian Buk-M1 (SA-11 'Gadfly') and Ural/Buk-2M (SA-17 'Grizzly') Surface-to-Air Missile (SAM) systems, for use from mobile ground vehicles and later from ships. Development is believed to have started in China around 1998, and started with the HQ-16 which is believed to be an improved version of the Buk-M1 system.

This system is believed to have the Chinese export designator MD-2000. It was suggested that a naval version of improved HQ-16 missiles, designated Hai Hong Qi-16 (HHQ-16), would be used on the Chinese Sovremenny-class destroyers purchased from Russia, as later upgrades to the existing Urugan (SA-N-7 'Gadfly') missiles, but this has not been confirmed.

In 2003 reports of a further upgrade programme suggested that an HQ-17 version was being developed with a range of 45 km, and that this system was based on the Ural/Buk-2M version.

A naval HHQ-16 or -17 version has been developed with a Vertical Launch System (VLS), and this is fitted in Luyang 1 (Type 052B)-class destroyers with 48 missiles, and in Jiangkai II (Type 054A)-class frigates with 32 missiles per ship.

The HQ-17 may include digital electronics, new display screens and improved training and simulation facilities, similar to those being offered by Russia for the Buk-MB upgrade programme.
 
two quick questions
1. 4 SAM systems? that means 4 separate type of missiles?


2. are they equivalent to famous SA-5 And SA-6 or better
 
two quick questions
1. 4 SAM systems? that means 4 separate type of missiles?


2. are they equivalent to famous SA-5 And SA-6 or better


1. Means 4 batteries.. a battery consists of the detection system(ala radar),missile launchers and a control system.

2. Much better.. equal to the newer Sa-12 system.
 
the HQ-9A is the navy version which is China currently used on type 52c destroyer. the HQ-9 and and improved version HQ-9B are currently offered to friendly nations. it's likely Pakistan goes for HQ-9B.
the design of HQ-9 was based on s300-pmu and Patriot guidance with better electronics components and faster Cpu:yahoo:
 
It is HQ-9B. About what is offered or not. It is about what PAF wants to pay. If Pakistan buys FC20/J10B does that mean PLA haS dumped it already and moved to big numbers of J20? I doubt that. So why did they provide SD10 version 2 if PAF could get the first version? Now PAF showed JF17 suddenly PLA is interested. How come? PAF had F7PG then China got J7G. We have to take these comments about offered lower tech as a spoon of salt. Based on old rhetoric. What is true is that there is an high certainty that the export versions differ from frequency or some components that could impact foreign interference. And there would be possible some different parts cause it needs to be part of netcentric warfare and had different usage then the long range usage in China. PAF needs to react in seconds and the distance is not the real problem. Even the height is not a problem cause it already has AWACS/long range ground radars to detect.
 

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