Naswarville

[KingMamba]

Well he did call you a kaffir so I guess its all squared.

What's there not to understand, the prophet was born in c.570- and the Quran's revelations came even after that..so there's nothing there to understand..besides how can any religion exist from the beginning of time..last I checked we weren't building mosques/temples/churches in 20000BC.

Actually according to Islam Adam AS was the first Muslim since he believed in One God Allah and all his children believed the same. Prophet Muhammad PBUH never claimed he was bringing a new religion he was the corrector of the one religion that had gone astray.

Now since you do not believe in the first man Adam AS then obviously this would sound ludicrous to you but I am speaking theologically based on Islam.

That is also the reason when someone becomes Muslim we do not say convert like Christians or Jews we say revert.
When a Muslims says someone converted to Islam they are only trying not to inflame others beliefs but amongst ourselves we say revert.

 

[Dillinger]

Actually according to Islam Adam AS was the first Muslim since he believed in One God Allah and all his children believed the same. Prophet Muhammad PBUH never claimed he was bringing a new religion he was the corrector of the one religion that had gone astray.

Now since you do not believe in the first man Adam AS then obviously this would sound ludicrous to you but I am speaking theologically based on Islam.

That is also the reason when someone becomes Muslim we do not say convert like Christians or Jews we say revert.
When a Muslims says someone converted to Islam they are only trying not to inflame others beliefs but amongst ourselves we say revert.

This is sort of curious, almost every major religion short of Buddhism claims that there was a singular "first man"- progenitor of the human race who believed in their God/Gods. Similar to the great deluge/flood finding reference in almost all religions. Confusing.

Oh well, not matters to concern the atheist..still very curious.

 

[Kompromat]

@Dreamreaper

Turkish section main thora hath hola rakho bhai

 

[KingMamba]

This is sort of curious, almost every major religion short of Buddhism claims that there was a singular "first man"- progenitor of the human race who believed in their God/Gods. Similar to the great deluge/flood finding reference in almost all religions. Confusing.

Oh well, not matters to concern the atheist..still very curious.

Well Buddhism was never meant to be a religion that's why. Buddha was a philosopher.

Well according to Islam the reason why some religions have similar or eerily similar stories is because there were never supposed to be many religions just one which is Islam. Islam's literal meaning is to find peace by submitting to one God. A Muslim is one who submits to one God.

We also believe every nation was sent a Prophet by God to convey his message to worship him and him alone. That is why Islam is not just an Arab religion like some of you hindu fanboys like to claim.

Hinduism in its original state also says to worship one God but we believe over time it became corrupted and multiple Gods were incorporated into it.

 

[Bang Galore]

Hinduism in its original state also says to worship one God but we believe over time it became corrupted and multiple Gods were incorporated into it.

Err....stick with what you know.

 

[KingMamba]

Err....stick with what you know.

Well according to some hindus on this forum they told me there is only one god in hinduism and idol worship is false?
Yeti was one who told me such unless he was lying?

 

[Dillinger]

Well Buddhism was never meant to be a religion that's why. Buddha was a philosopher.

Well according to Islam the reason why some religions have similar or eerily similar stories is because there were never supposed to be many religions just one which is Islam. Islam's literal meaning is to find peace by submitting to one God. A Muslim is one who submits to one God.

We also believe every nation was sent a Prophet by God to convey his message to worship him and him alone. That is why Islam is not just an Arab religion like some of you hindu fanboys like to claim.

Hinduism in its original state also says to worship one God but we believe over time it became corrupted and multiple Gods were incorporated into it.

Hmmm..valid point about Buddha..

Bro, Hinduism in its original state doesn't say anything about worshiping any god- it essentially had 4 pillars-

Dharma- duty in the macrocosm
Karma- duty in one's occupation and actions
Kal-Karma- same word- different meaning- causality in this case.
Bhakti- worship

The last pillar was left open- as long as the first three were met you were a Hindu, Bhakti was a personal matter though- you could chose whichever god you wanted.

Today the prevalent form of Hinduism is one that exclusively incorporates Bhakti while the rest are left on the side, Bhakti to a certain commonly accepted pantheon.

So I don't know how accurate what you've stated is.

But these things give me a headache..I prefer reading good old Kierkegaard's letters over this.

 

[KingMamba]

Hmmm..valid point about Buddha..

Bro, Hinduism in its original state doesn't say anything about worshiping any god- it essentially had 4 pillars-

Dharma- duty in the macrocosm
Karma- duty in one's occupation and actions
Kal-Karma- same word- different meaning- causality in this case.
Bhakti- worship

The last pillar was left open- as long as the first three were met you were a Hindu, Bhakti was a personal matter though- you could chose whichever god you wanted.

Today the prevalent form of Hinduism is one that exclusively incorporates Bhakti while the rest are left on the side, Bhakti to a certain commonly accepted pantheon.

So I don't know how accurate what you've stated is.

But these things give me a headache..I prefer reading good old Kierkegaard's letters over this.

I apologize if what I stated on hinduism is wrong. I only said what someone else told me (hindu) on this forum. Anyway if hinduism does not say worship one God and in fact does not ask for any real worship than I would not call it a religion at all instead it would probably fall into a cultural philosophy. Ergo it would not fall into the category of something that came from God although in the Quran there is reference to an Indian prophet so who he would be is left to mystery.

 

[RazPaK]

Hey @RazPaK I realized something hilarious.

You are the only self admitted wahabbi here on the forum and you are the least sectarian person on this forum.

Also the wahabi saudis don't actually know that they are even wahabbis.

So two things actually.

In this world there are 3 things that a gentleman should never discriminate against:

Religious Beliefs

Women

And Food


Learn from the Chaudhry saab.

 

[KingMamba]

In this world there are 3 things that a gentleman should never discriminate against:

Religious Beliefs

Women

And Food


Learn from the Chaudhry saab.

I'll pass the fat shorties your way brotha. Just don't discriminate.

 

[Dillinger]

I apologize if what I stated on hinduism is wrong. I only said what someone else told me (hindu) on this forum. Anyway if hinduism does not say worship one God and in fact does not ask for any real worship than I would not call it a religion at all instead it would probably fall into a cultural philosophy. Ergo it would not fall into the category of something that came from God although in the Quran there is reference to an Indian prophet so who he would be is left to mystery.

Nah brother, nothing to apologize about. This isn't my cup of tea either..the only reason I know what I know is because I educated myself about it out of curiosity.

It doesn't "ask" one to. As in there is no compulsion as such, you may or you may not but in the eyes of a practicing Hindu you are equal and if you are a good person then you are equally pious and deserving of heaven. Equality here means that you will not face any punishment for lack of belief as long as your actions and deeds are clean. AND that if you still desire to be properly considered a Hindu then no one will deny that to you.

The idea of "sarv dharma sambhava" simply means that- whichever god you may worship- as long as you are a good human being you will reach heaven. Not what many think it means including many Hindus themselves..that a Hindu considers every other person a de facto coreligionist. Semantically exact applications of these terms are required which you will not get out of people who are not particularly very good at articulating stuff- you end up with something like Zarvi's one track- you're all going to burn.

 

[KingMamba]

Ima call it a night take care guys.

 

[RazPaK]

I'll pass the fat shorties your way brotha. Just don't discriminate.

That's training for you little bro.

 

[Dillinger]

Ima call it a night take care guys.

Good night man! Oh and what's with using the term "kemalist" now? I used to call Hype that.

 

[Bang Galore]

Well according to some hindus on this forum they told me there is only one god in hinduism and idol worship is false?
Yeti was one who told me such unless he was lying?

Some have held that view, others have held that there is no God. Hinduism is not so easily compartmentalised.