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[Zaidi 12]

Still Incomplete???

Yup.!!lol:

 

[laiqs@mi]

Still Incomplete???

g still incomplete ap ko yeh seen to yad ho ga shayad??

miss zaidi 12 ka nam thora he chota ho ga in say
means in ka name lety lety banda lahore say karachi pohonch sakta hai

 

[Armstrong]

Nationalism is important for the survival of people, religious nationalism should be an integral part of every nation's nationalism, but race & culture are equally important. The collapse of the Ottoman Caliphate can not be blamed solely on racial nationalism, but on the corruption prevalent in the Ottoman empire. I could provide you with documentaries on the Ottoman empire if you wish to learn about its collapse.



Religion's main purpose is to guide you to the straight path so that you may be successful in the after life.



I didn't fail to understand that, if you read my post; I clearly stated that religious unity should be given as much importance as racial, cultural, & linguistic nationalism. There are many reasons that necessitate the importance of racial unity, one of them is the survival of the race itself.



You pray side by side to worship God as a community, it will not necessarily unite entirely different races. It is a ritual & while it does aid in creating a communal bond, it isn't the most effective method of doing so & loads of other methods are used to develop a feeling of unity. Studies on culture, the history of different nations, & cultural exhibitions are other good methods of creating unity.



Religion is exactly as it was, some people may not understand it, there is no doubt about that. Many people have lost interest in religion, but that's a subject for another discussion. Sorry, I am in a hurry, & that's why I couldn't give you an extremely detailed response.

No what it means it that it gives you a higher 'ideal' to aim for i.e Unity in a common collective consciousness instead of invented identities that 'races' & 'ethnicities' are ! Which is not to say that you don't feel a sense of affinity towards the language you speak, the culture you practice or the ethnicity you belong to but the moment it starts having an overarching or overbearing imprint on your individual identities is where we need to pause & think - Yes its fascinating how the Punjabi culture & the language evolved over the years & yes its beautiful but at the end of the day it was created out of something else; the keyword being 'created' over here, which is to say - There is little point in walking with a puffed up chest thinking 'Woh..I'm a Punjabi....pataaa nahin mein kiyaa hiii cheeez hooon' !

And the 'higher ideal' part was to impress upon you that if, as Muslims, we believe that Islam is not a 'creation' or at the very least not 'our creation'; that it is infallible & yet we are not, that it has the right to be overbearing for it is the truth then why not having unity in something that guides every moment of every day of your life from the cradle to the grave !

Would that happen in my life time ? No...probably not because we can't transcend the Sunni-Shia BS, provincialism or even ethno-linguistic nationalism ! But it is for that exact hope that compelled Iqbal to say :

'Nazar-e-daireena zamaanee ko dikhaa dei - Aii Mustafavi khaaq mein isss buuutt ko milaa dei'

Eng : Show the old panorama (the Golden Age of Islam) to this Age - Oh follower's of Mustafa (Our Prophet) turn this new idol into dust.

And what is this idol - Ethno-linguistic Nationalism because 'nationalism' by its very definition chooses a thing whether it be race, language or a common history & exalts it to the extent that it overbears everything else ! Thats how you carve out a 'Nation' as per the concept of 'Nationalism'...elevate one thing above everything else till it becomes your most 'revered thing' ! Some have called it Shirk citing the inherent contradiction between that & the Islamic concept of what the most 'revered thing' ought to be ! Others like Pakistan have managed to, though dysfunctional but due to lousy governance & not ideology, bridge together Islamic Identity with a Pakistani identity !

Lets see what the future holds for us.

But I am a firm believer of unity through religion & a firm disbeliever in anything that remotely reeks of 'ethno-linguistic nationalism'.

'Inn tazaaa khudaaonn mein baraa sub seh watan hai - Jo perahan iss ka hai woh mazhab ka kafan hai'

Eng : Of these new idols the greatest is 'watan*' - Its garb is the death shroud of religious unity'

* Watan as in a watan on ethnic & linguistic lines instead of unity through religion.

 

[Zaidi 12]

g still incomplete ap ko yeh seen to yad ho ga shayad??

miss zaidi 12 ka nam thora he chota ho ga in say
means in ka name lety lety banda lahore say karachi pohonch sakta hai

 

[Armstrong]

Still Incomplete???

Syeda Fatima Zahra Zaidi Buttt ! Isss se ziyada lambaa nahin ho saktaaa !

 

[laiqs@mi]

Syeda Fatima Zahra Zaidi Buttt ! Isss se ziyada lambaa nahin ho saktaaa !

g bilkul start main yahi hai par pura hoty hoty .......

 

[Zaidi 12]

Syeda Fatima Zahra Zaidi Buttt ! Isss se ziyada lambaa nahin ho saktaaa !

ye kis ka naam lay liya???D

 

[Aleesha]

g still incomplete ap ko yeh seen to yad ho ga shayad??

miss zaidi 12 ka nam thora he chota ho ga in say

Hahahahahaha

Yup.!!lol:

Then honor us with the full one!

 

[Zaidi 12]

g bilkul start main yahi hai par pura hoty hoty .......

Syeda Fatima Zahra Zaidi Buttt ! Isss se ziyada lambaa nahin ho saktaaa !

Yahan najoomi bhi hain

 

[laiqs@mi]

bas g woh to part time hai.... halat aisy hain pakistan k... part time bhe kuch na kuch to karna parta hai

 

[Zaidi 12]

Hahahahahaha

Then honor us with the full one!

mujhay sneezleesha jaisa koi naam nahi chahiye

bas g woh to part time hai.... halat aisy hain pakistan k... part time bhe kuch na kuch to karna parta hai

Tusi kii kaardeo?

 

[laiqs@mi]

medicine say related business hai

 

[Zaidi 12]

Arrey nahin bibi.

You never hurt anyone. Ye Chuadhary Saab ka ghussa nahin .... mazak karnay ka tareeqa hai.

Spend a bit of more time here and you will find out the nuances of different people posting here. Most are good people.

You are good to everybody here.

Stay happy and enjoy interacting

Bhai ki side dono taraf say..

 

[Aleesha]

mujhay sneezleesha jaisa koi naam nahi chahiye

It's not anymore!

 

[Zaidi 12]

medicine say related business hai

Phir main medicines banaun gi na to wo bhi lay jana but you will be responsible for consequences lolzz