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Washington: Nasa researchers are working on a technology that could harness the power of light and may be the key to cutting down travel time to Mars from months to as little as three days.

Philip Lubin, from the University of California, Santa Barbara, is developing the ‘photonic propulsion’ system where lasers can propel spacecraft with giant sails to the Red Planet.

The system relies on the momentum of photons — particles of light — to move forward. However, instead of photons from the Sun’s rays, Lubin’s design would be given a push by giant Earth-based lasers.

In a video for Nasa 360, Lubin explained that the technology is very much readily available, and that the system could easily be scaled up.

With our current technology, it is estimated it will take humans around five months to reach Mars, ‘ScienceAlert’ reported. “There are recent advances that take this from science fiction to science reality,” said Lubin. “There is no known reason why we can not do this,” he said.

When a spacecraft is launched, the thrust comes from burning a chemical, such as rocket fuel. This fuel weighs down the spacecraft. It is an inefficient system when compared to using light or other electromagnetic radiation to accelerate objects.

“Electromagnetic acceleration is only limited by the speed of light while chemical systems are limited to the energy of chemical processes,” Lubin wrote in a report describing the technology.

However, electromagnetic acceleration requires complicated and expensive equipment that is not easy to scale up to the size required for space travel. Despite not having any mass, photons have both energy and momentum, and when they reflect off an object, that momentum is transferred into a little push. With a large, reflective sail, it is possible to generate enough momentum to gradually accelerate a spacecraft, researchers said.

While the researchers have not yet tried out their system, their calculations show that photonic propulsion could get a 100-kg robotic craft to Mars in just three days.

The system is not designed to send humans across interstellar distances. Instead, Lubin proposes wafer-thin spacecraft that can get close to the speed of light.
 
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Washington: Nasa researchers are working on a technology that could harness the power of light and may be the key to cutting down travel time to Mars from months to as little as three days.

Philip Lubin, from the University of California, Santa Barbara, is developing the ‘photonic propulsion’ system where lasers can propel spacecraft with giant sails to the Red Planet.

The system relies on the momentum of photons — particles of light — to move forward. However, instead of photons from the Sun’s rays, Lubin’s design would be given a push by giant Earth-based lasers.

In a video for Nasa 360, Lubin explained that the technology is very much readily available, and that the system could easily be scaled up.

With our current technology, it is estimated it will take humans around five months to reach Mars, ‘ScienceAlert’ reported. “There are recent advances that take this from science fiction to science reality,” said Lubin. “There is no known reason why we can not do this,” he said.

When a spacecraft is launched, the thrust comes from burning a chemical, such as rocket fuel. This fuel weighs down the spacecraft. It is an inefficient system when compared to using light or other electromagnetic radiation to accelerate objects.

“Electromagnetic acceleration is only limited by the speed of light while chemical systems are limited to the energy of chemical processes,” Lubin wrote in a report describing the technology.

However, electromagnetic acceleration requires complicated and expensive equipment that is not easy to scale up to the size required for space travel. Despite not having any mass, photons have both energy and momentum, and when they reflect off an object, that momentum is transferred into a little push. With a large, reflective sail, it is possible to generate enough momentum to gradually accelerate a spacecraft, researchers said.

While the researchers have not yet tried out their system, their calculations show that photonic propulsion could get a 100-kg robotic craft to Mars in just three days.

The system is not designed to send humans across interstellar distances. Instead, Lubin proposes wafer-thin spacecraft that can get close to the speed of light.

The technology doesn't belong to NASA. It belongs to a Japanese team. However since US is paper-tiger and a PR success you say it's a NASA technology. It was theorized by a US engineer but was first realized by Japanese engineers in 2002.

Laser propels plane : Nature News

Takashi Yabe of the Tokyo Institute of Technology and colleagues launch their paper plane with a blast of light from a commercial laser. The plane takes off into a gracefully curving flight at a speed of around 1.4 metres per second.

Microairplane propelled by laser driven exotic target

I think US should stop stealing Japanese technology and representing them as their own. @Nihonjin1051 can you elaborate?
 
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The system is not designed to send humans across interstellar distances. Instead, Lubin proposes wafer-thin spacecraft that can get close to the speed of light.

Some folks missed that last line ^^^ , it seems!

The energy of photons is minuscule by full spaceship standards. Yes, the theory behind this
proposal is sound but the amount of energy required to give sufficient push to a spacecraft
transporting humans and everything needed for their survival including a solar & cosmic radia-
tions shield would amount to a laser ... as big as the moon or about by present capacities.
Then for reasons known to high school students, that laser cannot be on the spaceship itself.

That is why, if the idea is sound it is not practical for the Mars trip with astronauts.
BTW, if they expect to come back as fast as they went ...
you'll need another of these humongous lasers in orbit around the Red Planet!
They're photons pushing a sail not tow trucks?

Sound theory, sound process, impractical ( understatement of the decade ) for what is proposed.

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It reminds me of a quote by Stephen Hawking about how we could find out about all particles and
prove almost all theories if we built a particle accelerator the size of the Solar system, concluding :
-With the current state of funding in research, that is sadly unlikely! :laughcry:


Good day all, Tay.
 
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Washington: Nasa researchers are working on a technology that could harness the power of light and may be the key to cutting down travel time to Mars from months to as little as three days.

Philip Lubin, from the University of California, Santa Barbara, is developing the ‘photonic propulsion’ system where lasers can propel spacecraft with giant sails to the Red Planet.

The system relies on the momentum of photons — particles of light — to move forward. However, instead of photons from the Sun’s rays, Lubin’s design would be given a push by giant Earth-based lasers.

In a video for Nasa 360, Lubin explained that the technology is very much readily available, and that the system could easily be scaled up.

With our current technology, it is estimated it will take humans around five months to reach Mars, ‘ScienceAlert’ reported. “There are recent advances that take this from science fiction to science reality,” said Lubin. “There is no known reason why we can not do this,” he said.

When a spacecraft is launched, the thrust comes from burning a chemical, such as rocket fuel. This fuel weighs down the spacecraft. It is an inefficient system when compared to using light or other electromagnetic radiation to accelerate objects.

“Electromagnetic acceleration is only limited by the speed of light while chemical systems are limited to the energy of chemical processes,” Lubin wrote in a report describing the technology.

However, electromagnetic acceleration requires complicated and expensive equipment that is not easy to scale up to the size required for space travel. Despite not having any mass, photons have both energy and momentum, and when they reflect off an object, that momentum is transferred into a little push. With a large, reflective sail, it is possible to generate enough momentum to gradually accelerate a spacecraft, researchers said.

While the researchers have not yet tried out their system, their calculations show that photonic propulsion could get a 100-kg robotic craft to Mars in just three days.

The system is not designed to send humans across interstellar distances. Instead, Lubin proposes wafer-thin spacecraft that can get close to the speed of light.
Big news,if it works like that,means reach to other galaxies become possible.
 
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The technology doesn't belong to NASA. It belongs to a Japanese team. However since US is paper-tiger and a PR success you say it's a NASA technology. It was theorized by a US engineer but was first realized by Japanese engineers in 2002.

Laser propels plane : Nature News

Takashi Yabe of the Tokyo Institute of Technology and colleagues launch their paper plane with a blast of light from a commercial laser. The plane takes off into a gracefully curving flight at a speed of around 1.4 metres per second.

Microairplane propelled by laser driven exotic target

I think US should stop stealing Japanese technology and representing them as their own. @Nihonjin1051 can you elaborate?

erm no, the idea was thought up by an American engineer and proof of concept was done in 1997 at the us air force research laboratory (its in the second article you posted). Neither of which is related to this particular demonstration of the concept technology as it is for a different purpose than the other experiments were conducted for.

Also the article is inaccurate, as has been stated it could not take people because the energy requirement for doing so would be astronomical (no pun intended).
 
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erm no, the idea was thought up by an American engineer and proof of concept was done in 1997 at the us air force research laboratory (its in the second article you posted). Neither of which is related to this particular demonstration of the concept tachnology as it is for a different purpose than the other experiments were conducted for.

Also the article is inaccurate, as has been stated it could not take people because the energy requirement for doing so would be astronomical (no pun intended).

Yeap, you're correct. I should've read the entire article before posting it. In 1997 US did the first prototype.

Source : http://edition.cnn.com/TECH/9712/12/t_t/laser.propulsion/

The person who was the director of the team : Leik Myrabo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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