Nandipur power plant shut down

[surya kiran]

learn Urdu

hindi, english, malayalam, tamil, marathi, gujarati and now a bit of kannada. add to this the fact my wife is pissed because I do not know any foreign language and hence should learn german or french. my processing power is at max, my friend.

 

[Foxtrot-Bravo]

So what ?? Breakdowns are common within the first year of commissioning of a New power plant. could be a number of issues. I can list 20+ reasons.

Commissioning into commercial operation and plant stabilization are different, often they have critical failures, nothing that make an entire plant useless.. give it a year it will smoothen out..

Its been more than a year.

 

[[Bregs]]

See this is what I meant by Indian trolls derailing any threads that are purely Pakistan's internal affair.

9 posts on this thread so far (excluding this post), and 5 out of 9 are from Indian trolls!

You guys really need to get a life!

why this plant has been closed ?

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

Where 57 billion gone in this project. If project is not running, I smell huge corruption there.

 

[Vyom]

Its been more than a year.

Needs an overhaul and CBM to be carried out. If not then its a design issue.
The agency should carry out CFD analysis.

I have worked on numerous Chinese Units. Such issue arise only if Due Diligence was not done in the Initial Detailed Project report. That can be devastating. We had to scrap a plant with Dong Feng Unit because of this in Durgapur Projects Limited, West Bengal was an eye opener for industry. rest barring a few all Chinese units have been fine actually... (but at Rs. 42 per unit that is damn costly in any conceivable exchange rate)

 

[Faiez]

Needs an overhaul and CBM to be carried out. If not then its a design issue.
The agency should carry out CFD analysis.

I have worked on numerous Chinese Units. Such issue arise only if Due Diligence was not done in the Initial Detailed Project report. That can be devastating. We had to scrap a plant with Dong Feng Unit because of this in Durgapur Projects Limited, West Bengal was an eye opener for industry. rest barring a few all Chinese units have been fine actually... (but at Rs. 42 per unit that is damn costly in any conceivable exchange rate)

The plant is a multi fuel plant capable of running on gas, furnace oil and diesel. The PKR42/unit rate is for diesel (obviously diesel is expensive). The rates for furnace oil and gas were lower than this, I don't remember exactly. But even they were a little high.

 

[Foxtrot-Bravo]

Needs an overhaul and CBM to be carried out. If not then its a design issue.
The agency should carry out CFD analysis.

I have worked on numerous Chinese Units. Such issue arise only if Due Diligence was not done in the Initial Detailed Project report. That can be devastating. We had to scrap a plant with Dong Feng Unit because of this in Durgapur Projects Limited, West Bengal was an eye opener for industry. rest barring a few all Chinese units have been fine actually... (but at Rs. 42 per unit that is damn costly in any conceivable exchange rate)

You are right, the issues can be controlled. But what we are talking about right now is why the hell Government leased this project a low quality company who was already failing to deliver? That's the main issue.

 

[Goenitz]

hindi, english, malayalam, tamil, marathi, gujarati and now a bit of kannada. add to this the fact my wife is pissed because I do not know any foreign language and hence should learn german or french. my processing power is at max, my friend.

ohh poor u
anyway Urdu is easy as u can write it in english alphabet, so u just need familiarization with characters..anwyay learn french. it w'd make easy to learn spanish and italian..and portuguese.. and may be candian immigration

 

[Qalandari]

Hahahahaha

 

[I FLY HIGH]

Needs an overhaul and CBM to be carried out. If not then its a design issue.
The agency should carry out CFD analysis.

I have worked on numerous Chinese Units. Such issue arise only if Due Diligence was not done in the Initial Detailed Project report. That can be devastating. We had to scrap a plant with Dong Feng Unit because of this in Durgapur Projects Limited, West Bengal was an eye opener for industry. rest barring a few all Chinese units have been fine actually... (but at Rs. 42 per unit that is damn costly in any conceivable exchange rate)

if u have worked on a power plant , could you tell me
1- efficiency of a gas power plant in single mode.
2- efficeincy of a furnace oil runpower plant in combined cycle mode .
3- Efficiency of a furnace oil run plant on single mode .
4- Efficency and diesel consmption per kwthr in a power plant in combined cycle mode .
Nandi pur is no 2 type , if you know ,you will come to know the answer of your all questions and also that it is not possible produce a unit at Rs 40 kwthr.

 

[Vyom]

You are right, the issues can be controlled. But what we are talking about right now is why the hell Government leased this project a low quality company who was already failing to deliver? That's the main issue.

Sorry for the late reply was traveling and had holidays after a long time.
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The issues can be many. The Fundamental one is being a "Government Project" , I find only a Minuscule number of Government Companies in "developing countries" which are highly efficient. The problem lies in the mentality of the Government Employee's mentality, who don't have their bum on an axe because of nature their jobs, their lack of ownership, lack of accountability. they are just floating in a boat. No matter what, their jobs are safe, so why work and learn new things.

Knowledgeable and Hardworking people are usually looked down upon as "over smart" and are not rightly rewarded. so its the overall culture actually. it takes one to set the culture right, if that government agency is lucky enough to get a technocrat head things might move smooth and set things in motion.

Plus I would like to emphasize that Chinese companies provide a range of products and the quality is subjective to what kind of quality you are paying for. (*pretty damn sure there was a money gobbling politician or a Government official behind this fiasco).

 

[Vyom]

if u have worked on a power plant , could you tell me
1- efficiency of a gas power plant in single mode.
2- efficeincy of a furnace oil runpower plant in combined cycle mode .
3- Efficiency of a furnace oil run plant on single mode .
4- Efficency and diesel consmption per kwthr in a power plant in combined cycle mode .
Nandi pur is no 2 type , if you know ,you will come to know the answer of your all questions and also that it is not possible produce a unit at Rs 40 kwthr.

I am not questioning the pricing my question is the intent of installing a CCGT plant, the price of fuel has a direct impact on cost of electricity. The fuel prices have been through the roof for the past year they have only crashed in the last few months, had it not been then it was clearly as obvious as you don't buy a car that runs on aviation fuels.

Clearly there are a few points that I would like to mention, CC plants are highly efficient. The Latest GE CCGT Series offer upto 54% (Electrical efficiency) . (Yes They mention 60% plus in their catalogs, that is if you take distirict heating in the scheme of things, In variably the Thermodynamic efficiency). Now, These are absolute Laboratory condition efficiency I am talking about.

1. Now, a Fuel oil CC plant is a CCGT plant which is essentially has a fuel oil gassification Unit and which allows the GT to function and hence multi mode fuels are used. gassification is an energy intensive process. So that will take down your efficiency *consume more auxiliary power*.

2. the Absolute Lab conditions are where intake air is dry and low temp all year round. Hot and humid air intake will significantly dent the plant (gas turbine) efficiency. Hence you see these types of plants usually cold countries of Europe and China and USA (The regions where you have warm summers and cold winters). It will have devastating Efficiency and huge costs if they are utilized as base load plants in Tropical countries, they can be good for commercial peak load plant, where electricity pricing in the grid is dynamic.

So it was a bad choice for a plant in the first place. Should have used a low cost fuel High temperature, [example Łagisza power plant, Poland its still in Tech Demonstartion stage but its becoming proven with each passing day] (super/ultra critical units) and the more number of days the plant is shut, costs increase without return.

so in essence you may have an advantage of 9-10% in power output but your costs are up by 70-80% not much of a difficult choice to make there.

 

[Muhammad Omar]

Nandipur Plant is still working

 

[marbella]

and all the time I thought that china is a solution to all of the problems.

 

[Qalandari]

Nandipur Plant is still working

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