NA bars Hindu lawmaker from presenting bill seeking ban on alcohol

[M. Sarmad]

Only bootleggers will benefit from such prohibition ..
Jis ne peeni hai us ne peeni hi hai

 

[Dubious]

I mean to say that we Muslims sometimes forget about the side effects of alcoholism among Non-Muslims due to the belief that they should be allowed to practice their religion in which alcohol is allowed.

What we forget is that many leaders in our Non-Muslim communities like the PTI MNA above, women’s rights groups, physicians, and minority rights activists seek an alcohol ban for their own community as well.

We should be more willing to listen to what they have to say and what benefits their community.

PTI is doing the right thing by furthering this cause.

I agree...Esp since now they are raising the issue !

 

[war&peace]

Oh believe me I know, have seen these swines in action, they truly are deplorable and they exist on all sides of the political spectrum but non more so than those in PPP and PMLN.Kudos bhai

Sir, Alcohol is such a repulsive thing that even if it wasn't haram in Islam, I won't drink it.

 

[django]

Sir, Alcohol is such a repulsive thing that even if it wasn't haram in Islam, I won't drink it.

No ifs or buts about it.Kudos Sir

 

[FalconStar]

wow. so that shows their real face... these bastards misuse the liquor licenses given to the minorities.. What a shame for these so called "Muslims" of PMLn
@django @Maarkhoor @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan @FalconStar

How disgusting is this that a non Muslim has to propose a law in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan where 97% of the people are Muslims. But that's the thing this ruling elite loves their daily dosage of Honey and Olive oil.
I have known many people belonging to these PMLN and PPP like parties and how it's considered okay in their families to drink and even their children who went to school and college with me used to drink.
They will never let this law be passed until these type of people are sitting in this assembly.
But surely we'll get rid of them one day and shall do what needs to be done.

And look at the irony they did this while sitting in a building which reads this on it's front.

 

[TMA]

Sir, I know a few bureaucrats and the culture inside their homes.. If I tell you the details, you will forget Reham bitch's book. Salman Taseer was really notorious for that. Then a lot of media persons and even some so called mullahs ...really we need a major purge..


Lakh di lanat

What someone does in their home is not the State's business unless of course it is a crime and not just a sin.
Of course the State ought to encourage virtue but the State cannot do this when she is drowning in the filthiest of sins and crimes.....Ar- Riba!!!

Only bootleggers will benefit from such prohibition ..
Jis ne peeni hai us ne peeni hi hai

A program of education is needed....

 

[war&peace]

What someone does in their home is not the State's business unless of course it is a crime and not just a sin...

Drinking alcohol is both a sin and a crime and it is one of those crimes that punishable by a hadd.

 

[El Sidd]

They should Release the names of the honorable parliamentarians who are becoming a hurdle in the democratic process.

The Public will Hold them accountable in their own way.

The Police should Release Data on alcohol influenced offenses.

There are still 2 Pakistans jostling for posture in december 2018.

 

[TMA]

Drinking alcohol is both a sin and a crime and it is one of those crimes that punishable by a hadd.

If done in public right? If done in private in the home then it is a sin? ??

 

[war&peace]

If done in public right? If done in private in the home then it is a sin? ??

I don't think there is a distinction if done is home or outside.

 

[SQ8]

The ban is pointless as it would never stop the sale of Alcohol and instead make it worse by pushing people to moonshine and associated deaths.

This lawmaker is a complete Drama. Jumped ship from PmL(N) to PTi.

 

[Thorough Pro]

Irony...... a bill banning sale of Alcohol by a non-muslim member banned by Muslim parliamentary members of Islamic Repubclic of Pakistan. How would they ever succeed in anything while openly defying Allah and his Prophet's orders?

• Dr Ramesh Kumar called for introducing strict laws to ban sale of alcohol in the name of any religion.

Pakistan
by Mahmood Idrees | Published on December 11, 2018 (Edited December 11, 2018)

ISLAMABAD – A Hindu lawmaker was barred from tabling a constitutional amendment bill, seeking a ban on the sale of alcohol, in the National Assembly on Tuesday.

Pakistan Tehreek Insaf’s (PTI) Hindu MNA Dr Ramesh Kumar sought permission to present the bill, stating that alcohol consumption is prohibited in all religions, including Hinduism, Islam and Christianity. He called for cancelling the alcohol permits in the country.

The PTI and Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal supported the bill but it was opposed by the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) and Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP). The bill seeks an amendment to the Article 37 of the Constitution.




Deputy Speaker Qasim Suri, however, barred the minister from presenting the bill after the majority of lawmakers, who were present at that time, voted against it.

The MMA, in response to the deputy speaker’s order, protested and demanded voting on the bill again.

The opposition parties, including PML-N and PPP, staged a walk out in NA over not running the session according to the agenda.

The session of the lower house of the parliament was then adjourned till Wednesday.

Talking to media outside the assembly, Kumar called for introducing strict laws to ban sale of alcohol in the name of any religion.

Kumar said unfortunately a number of people had obtained the permits for alcohol business in the name of Hindu religion, which was unacceptable.

An expert is of the view that the PTI legislator could get approved the bill from the NA easily by ensuring the presence of the members of the his party and allies as the Imran Khan-led party is in the majority.

In 2014 when Kumra was also the MNA had said alcohol is strictly forbidden according to the teachings of the Shrimad Baghwat Piran – a Hindu holy book, while also emphasising that decision makers (MNAs) or other higher-ups in the community are prohibited to drink under any circumstances.

“Sale, production, importation and transportation of alcoholic beverages in Pakistan occurred under the banner of minorities which is strongly offensive and insulting,” Dr Ramesh said.

https://en.dailypakistan.com.pk/pak...ll-seeking-ban-on-alcohol/?utm_source=bouncer

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Total ban on alcohol needs to be in effect along with severe punishments for alcoholism.

Shame that these lawmakers can’t leave the bottle.

Pakistan needs stricter laws and enforcement on all forms of drug abuse and sexual indecency.

 

[krash]

It's hilarious that every single premise arguing in support of this proposed law is the use/misuse of alcohol by people who are already banned from consuming it, i.e. Pakistani Muslims. So for the faults of the Muslim majority in Pakistan we are proposing to infringe upon the rights of its minorities. Bravo.

I mean to say that we Muslims sometimes forget about the side effects of alcoholism among Non-Muslims due to the belief that they should be allowed to practice their religion in which alcohol is allowed.

What we forget is that many leaders in our Non-Muslim communities like the PTI MNA above, women’s rights groups, physicians, and minority rights activists seek an alcohol ban for their own community as well.

We should be more willing to listen to what they have to say and what benefits their community.

PTI is doing the right thing by furthering this cause.

You cannot infringe upon another's right just because you or they themselves believe (and it might very well be the case) that it will benefit the community. A one child policy in Pakistan, for example, would be a lot more beneficial to the Pakistani society than banning alcohol. It still gives no one the right to impose such a restriction. These issues can only be dealt with through education, awareness and/or regulation. The realisation that the sanctity of every single one of our's rights is far more paramount than any perceived societal benefits can also only be achieved through education.

But then we are a people who create and enforce moronic laws just to sooth our childish sentiments and decayed reasoning. Say, bans on youtube and facebook? Or the blasphemy laws, perhaps?

How disgusting is this that a non Muslim has to propose a law in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan where 97% of the people are Muslims.

Irony...... a bill banning sale of Alcohol by a non-muslim member banned by Muslim parliamentary members of Islamic Repubclic of Pakistan. How would they ever succeed in anything while openly defying Allah and his Prophet's orders?

More disgusting is the fact that my countrymen such as yourself make Islam the excuse to propose laws which stand directly in contrast to what Islamic law stands for. Islam fully respects the right of non-muslims to consume alcohol and does not allow any Muslim to enforce any prohibition upon them. So while you can have the Kalimah printed on your forehead, the same Allah (S.W.T) extolled in that Kalimah unquestionably protects the right of your Hindu neighbour to consume alcohol from you and whatever reasoning that you or I can concoct.

As far as the fallout from alcohol consumption is concerned, the state reserves the right to regulate its use as far as it does not infringe upon the individual's right to consume it, e.g. you cannot stop them from drinking but you can stop them from driving after drinking. The west has been doing this for years. Ironically, there is no actual regulation being enforced in Pakistan.

Drinking alcohol is both a sin and a crime and it is one of those crimes that punishable by a hadd.

If done in public right? If done in private in the home then it is a sin? ??

I don't think there is a distinction if done is home or outside.

During Hazrat Umar's Khilafah an old man came to him seeking his judgement. The old man told the Khalifah that his daughter was about to be married to a pious man. He further told that his daughter, although now pious, had previously committed zinnah which her soon to be husband had no idea about. The old man was now torn between telling the truth to his future son in law or not. Please note here that zinnah is a far larger and more dire crime than consuming alcohol. Instead of exacting his judgement as the Khalifah, which could have been as dire as a death sentence, Hazrat Umar rebuked the old man, telling him that he had no right to expose his daughter's transgressions which Allah Himself had kept veiled.

 

[Imran Khan]

pakistani laws are stupid

out total exports 23 billion $ and out total budget 55bn$
Indian alcohol revenue 62bn$
no wonder we will remain a beggar country always

Revenue of the alcoholic drinks market worldwide by country in 2017 (in million U.S. dollars)