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Yes it is the NSG.
This is for your use :
but that does not clear which rule will hold.....
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Yes it is the NSG.
This is for your use :
ok I think you still didnt get my point ..let me make it simple to u..
why does pakistan want nuclear deal now?
until recently pakistan (and all other non NPT members) couldnt have imagined getting a nuclear deal with out being signatories of the NPT.
but it came as a rude shock to Pakistan(and to most of the world) by seeing the hard core pro-indian bush admn "granting" such a deal to india even though the latter being a non signatory to NPT..
This made pakistan to ask for the similar deal with a justification that if india can have it why not pakistan? and after being rebuked by the now US administration (which i think wouldnt have granted this deal to india in the first place if it was in the power then) pak being an active partner in WOT and a major non nato ally couldnt take it and approached it's all weather friend China for the deal.. and china being china granted it...
all this should be clear enough for all if they see things in an unbiased manner rather than with a nationalistic jingoism...
now am asking u again.. did i ever oppose the deal? or did i ever support the deal?
now tell me.. why didnt pakistan ask for this deal before india?
P.S: Hopefully my spacing of the paragraphs is legible enough to u now..
all this should be clear enough for all if they see things in an unbiased manner rather than with a nationalistic jingoism...
now tell me.. why didnt pakistan ask for this deal before india?
We would not have had pages and pages of discussion on "Concern" from India if this was not to be taken seriously. Don't write nonsense.
Pakistan asking US for a nuclear deal after India got one is natural. Pakistan wants to be treated like India in the world. Does that have anything to do with the discussion about "Indian concerns to the nuclear deal" ?
What is for my use? Where are the NSG rules and metrics governing exemptions?Yes it is the NSG.
This is for your use :
We would not have had pages and pages of discussion on "Concern" from India if this was not to be taken seriously. Don't write nonsense.
Pakistan asking US for a nuclear deal after India got one is natural. Pakistan wants to be treated like India in the world. Does that have anything to do with the discussion about "Indian concerns to the nuclear deal" ?
What is for my use? Where are the NSG rules and metrics governing exemptions?
First of all, Pakistan-China cooperation on Nuclear power plants goes much farther back than the US-India nuclear deal. Second, the Pakistani and Chinese position is that the current engagement was grandfathered in at the time China joined the NSG in 2004. These nuclear cooperation discussions and projects were already underway prior to 2004.
Also, let me point to a US-tilted resource on the subject, the council on foreign relations (url below). Even prior to China and Pakistan announcing that they will be moving forward on this deal, analysts and observers in the US were already taking the position that the US-India deal was a threat to China, and that China would see it this way. It is a statement of the obvious, and shouldn't come as a surprise to you that China doesn't like India being used as a pawn by the US... It stands to reason that China will counter these moves. Here is part of the analysis I am referring to:
The U.S.-India Nuclear Deal - Council on Foreign Relations
You need to see Chinese actions not just in the India-Pakistan context, but in the context of overall Chinese interests and US-China jockeying. This deal will happen.
As for the NPT, here is what the CFR had to say about the India-US nuclear deal's affect on that treaty:
The U.S.-India Nuclear Deal - Council on Foreign Relations
What is for my use? Where are the NSG rules and metrics governing exemptions?
You are losing your civility and calm along with whatever sense, comprehension and objectivity you had. Too bad for you.
By the way, if you are uncivil with me again please don't complain at the response.
India is concerned about almost every Pakistani acquisition... a poster summarized a whole list of headlines citing Indian "concern" to a half a dozen transactions that all went through. So Indian concern is irrelevant for everyone other than India.
now the question needs to be asked is..will pakistan-china deal gives the same access to NSG's fuel bank to pakistan.. if yes then it's a tit for tat victory for pak ..if no..then it would be only a limited triumph as it would be another bilateral agreement with limited fuel supply...
Since you agree that Pakistan needs energy, and that its rapidly increasing population will in fact require even more energy, then what exactly is the problem with the sentiment quoted in your post above?
If some of the things mentioned in that statement on the Indian exemption are to be the 'rules and metrics' governing exemptions, then why are they not officially part of the NSG charter?An example of what an NSG exemption is.
http://www.armscontrol.org/system/files/20080906_Final_NSG_Statement.pdf
Where in the NSG guidelines/charter does it say that any trade with non-NPT States will be governed by an 'exemption granted by consensus'?If you want the rules, there are rules of a democracy. 46 members have to agree to ratify the exemption and if they don't all bets are off. That is the rule that governs nuclear trade to non signatory members.
please read my other posts where i "tried" to explain my previous post..
and I should ask..why my earlier post seemed so negative to you all? is is'nt it obvious what i said?
Don't teach me civility. I have seen you civility in action and you know what I am talking about. The best you can do is ban me for asking you to stop writing nonsense.
Again with the most polished of English, you fail to understand that writing nonsense will fetch points from an audience who can't think beyond words.
The poster forgot about JF-17 and the French for example. I had a counter list but to stay on topic, I decided not to post the list.
If some of the things mentioned in that statement on the Indian exemption are to be the 'rules and metrics' governing exemptions, then why are they not officially part of the NSG charter?
Where in the NSG guidelines/charter does it say that any trade with non-NPT States will be governed by an 'exemption granted by consensus'?