Myths about Muslims in India

[notsuperstitious]

What about the adjacent states?? Why so much rise only in Assam??? why not that raise in Meghalya??? Are these people got kicked out of Mehalaya to Assam as they found refuge there?

again a conspiracy theory, nothing to show for it. Yawn!

 

[notsuperstitious]

hey, RK why dont you put Sachar commitee report to substantiate your facts and figures on muslims. It was afterall a government commissioned report. Should i take the trouble???????

well most of it has been posted here, i've also presented the other side by quoting from the same report, but of course, its relevant if u were interested in learning something. i doubt it.

 

[TopCat]

again a conspiracy theory, nothing to show for it. Yawn!

Assam share a very small border with Bangladesh.. but Meghalaya the most. Meghalaya also holds the border of the poorest part of BD. So it does make sense to ask that question... If they were BD, they should have been in Meghalaya not in Assam

 

[Chanakyaa]

Only a few lucky Muslims in hindu india can get economic aids if any at all. My dear non indian Muslim brothers, please do not come to a decision in a hurried way that because hindu india has some Muslims like Amir Khan, Shahrookh Khan or Sania Mirza, so almost all Muslims in india are enjoying the full share of power and privileges with hindus. Actually it is hindu india's kautilyan diplomacy to keep some well-to-do Muslims to show the world that Muslims are in a good position compared to hindus. Even kautilyan diplomacy is such as it manufactures some Muslim dalals who play the role of Mir Jafars and Mir Sadiks to promote a false message by means of deceit and deception. If really some one wants to know the condition of Muslims in hindu india, she or he can visit the country and witness how poor exploited deprived tortured oppressed and marginalized the Muslims are there in hindu india, particularly in hindu india's rural areas, where you will often find poor Muslim peasants suffering starvation, malnutrition, deceases, and illiteracy.

This Man is Very Correct in the Last part. Yes, You really need to visit India .
to Know the Truth.

 

[notsuperstitious]

Assam share a very small border with Bangladesh.. but Meghalaya the most. Meghalaya also holds the border of the poorest part of BD. So it does make sense to ask that question... If they were BD, they should have been in Meghalaya not in Assam

Awe, again the same rant.

according to census, the muslim population of meghalaya went up by 36% from 1991 to 2000

Garo militant outfit warns non-Garos not to contest polls, The Milli Gazette, Vol. 2 No. 11

but of course, its natural.

hey dude, if u have nothing to present, pls spare me instead of making up newer and newer theories and making a new point everytime i rebuff one. Good night.

 

[TopCat]

Total muslim population in Megalya 83,487... that is the total population.. rise of population say 20000 increase in Megalaya.. thats cool.. Now say, if borders with Assam is 50% less than that of Megalaya.. Assam illegal immigrant should not be more than 10000 and that should not change the demography from 24% to 31%..
I worked with your data..
I did not count population growth rate and other factors

 

[dabong1]

Sure you can put it. I see no problem in that. We know this is a serious social issue and needs to be addressed. Government alone can not do it. Muslim groups also have to extend support to implement the policies. Muslim issues become very sensitive the moment Mullas get into action. Hope you recollect Saha Banu case. I agree , a large number of Muslims and for that matter even Hindus remain poor and supressed in India. However, at the same time a large number of Muslims have done very welll economically and socially both. Its a huge country and the task is big.

RK

Bro your original point was that its a myth that the muslim in india are in the lowest group in india when it comes to the majority of social-economic indicators.
Its a trend that according to the indian report came about during the 70s and has gained momentum in the decades that followed.....now its either that the muslims of india dont really care for the own social-economic uplift and are lazy or its state policy that the muslims must be kept down.
Your point about hindu being poor is valid but in india the poor hindu has more of a chance then a poor muslim.

Off course there sane people in india that know this and also know that if the problem is not corrected it will create big problems for india in the future.

I know that there are plenty of people around the world that also have the same problems but i am being india specific.

 

[notsuperstitious]

Total muslim population in Megalya 83,487... that is the total population.. rise of population say 20000 increase in Megalaya.. thats cool.. Now say, if borders with Assam is 50% less than that of Megalaya.. Assam illegal immigrant should not be more than 10000 and that should not change the demography from 24% to 31%..
I worked with your data..
I did not count population growth rate and other factors

Dumbass logic. illegal immigration to be constant across border / per km u just made up that rule!

completely BS clutching at straws attempt at getting at something. pathetic.

meghalaya is inhospitable because of tribal hold, assam / bengal are culturally conducive.

i'll summarize for u

u did not tell me how many bengalis were kicked out of delhi
u did not tell me how many bengalis were kicked out of assam and yet their % in population and absolute no went up
u made up a divine rule that no of ppl moving to meghalaya must be double the no of ppl moving to assam because the border is twice in length

basically, u added a big ZERO and only displayed ur victim complex.

A big tanks for nothing!!! Good bye.

 

[rubyjackass]

@iajdani
Where were the refugee camps of 1971 in India?
Can that be a driving factor for the differenve?

 

[ahmeddsid]

Ahaha... You need to go to BD village... YOu will see different Bangladesh.. 60% of our Budget pumped into rural areas.. most of them got paved road and all... they are working on to bring municipal facilities to villages now a days... hospital for every 6000 person... Development of cities were in low priority since long.. Hopefully AL will pay some attention to that and get some highways done soon...

Farmers loan written off every now and then.. Guaranteed employment scheme going on.. If govt failed to provide job for the lean 3 mos.. they will get free money... Retirement money for every person over 60 years of age.. more than 50% of subsidy in fertilizer.. Free education up to the level of 12 th grade for girls, and will be free up to graduate level for everybody within few years.. A lot of thing going on in social sector..
You know Micro Credit???

I have heard of Micro Credit, But ask a certain reputed BD Member, what he thinks of the Man who started it all! He feels that Dr Younus is a fake and corrupt person! So Microcredit in BD cant be all that great can it?

 

[leonblack08]

Stop Harrassing The Innocents


An Appeal from All India Secular Forum

10 August, 2006
Countercurrents.org

The Mumbai blasts shook the nation and killed over 200 innocent people. This act is highly condemnable and the perpetrators of this ghastly crime need to be punished with all severity.

In the wake of horrific bomb blasts the police is blindly operating on the formula that all Muslims are suspects and has been arresting and harassing innumerable innocent Muslims. Right the day next police arrested nearly three hundred youth and released most of them after the public protest. Muslims at different social levels, including executives and others, are being investigated as such and more so about their travel abroad and other routine involvements, related to work and leisure. While police has totally failed to prevent this incident, while it has not made any headway in the investigation, it is arresting, interrogating and intimidating people without much evidence, barring the fact that they bear a Muslim identity.

Terrorism is an insane and tragic phenomenon of our times having its roots in multiple factors, starting from the US/Israel policies in the West Asia, to the unresolved issue of Kashmir, the plight of Kashmiri people, to the communal violence coming up in stronger and stronger form all around and being presented as the 'glory of religion'. As far as the apprehending the suspects is concerned a reckless communal attitude is displayed due to which all and sundry Muslim youth
are nabbed and made to rot in jails, and many others are being questioned and intimidated. The social common sense is being vitiated through the word of mouth propaganda and by a section of communalized media to demonize a section of population. The community divides along religious lines are widening and posing a threat to national integration. Those claiming to be the patriots in turn are creating a situation where the intercommunity relations are worsening, threatening the harmony and amity which are the prerequisites of any nation.

All this has created an extreme sense of fear and intimidation in large parts of the Muslim minority. Irrespective the social standing of the person, the Muslims in general are being pushed to the brink. Many a delegations have met the state Government and pleaded for exercise of reason in apprehending the 'suspects' of blasts. Even the delegations have met the Prime Minister, who himself conceded that this attitude of police will worsen the situation rather than solving it. Surely those understanding human psychology, social psychology can easily see that from innocents ******* in jail, some will surely fall pray to the bait of terror merchants. We can perceive that
an average person when seen as suspect will have a deep disgust and few of them can tread the unwanted and undesired path. Instead of solving the problem this will aggravate the same, putting to risk the life of average citizen of the state/country. This reckless attitude of police is fraught with dangers. Sadly even the Prime Minister seems to be watching helplessly.

On the other hand the Maharashtra Government, whose Anti Terrorist squad came to conclude that Bajarag Dal activists are involved in bomb making as in Nanded, has been sleeping over the issue. In the same state a Citizens fact finding committee headed by a retired high court judge has pointed out serious flaws in the police version of encounter of 'terrorists' near the RSS head quarters n Nagpur. The Maharashtra Government has chosen to put the Nanded and Nagpur episodes under the carpet. Presently in many states like Maharashtra, Madhya Pradesh, Gujarat and other, police administrations are over enthusiastic in intimidating the innocent Muslims. This betrays the poor quality of professional conduct. Some of these arrests are meant to hide the failure of their own 'intelligence'. All in all, we are witnessing a situation where the innocents are being harassed and the civic life of large sections is coming under the stifling scanner of the state officials.

1. We urge the President to intervene and advise the central/state governments to wake up and act with reason and justice in investigating/handling these cases.

2. We Urge the Chairperson of the UPA to ensure that such a gross violation of the human rights is stopped right away and minorities are assured that they will not be treated in such a shabby manner as they are being at present.

3. We urge upon the Prime Minister to be guided by his wisdom and to take up the present problem, to instruct the Govt to see that legal, social and human norms are respected while dealing with the investigation of episodes of terror. As the leader of the country it is his paramount duty to see that all citizens are able to live without fear and intimidation.

4. We urge upon the upon the home minister to advise the state Governments, and Maharashtra Government in particular, that the present senseless methods resorted to in dealing with the minorities will be counterproductive and that they should employ professional and intelligent methods in dealing with the situation. While guilty should not be spared in any case the innocents should be given all the feeling of security.

5. We urge upon the Government of Maharashtra in particular and other states like Madhya Pradesh and Gujarat in general, to wake up to their responsibility of treating all the citizens on par irrespective of their religion, that's what our constitution advises us. While taking the strictest action against those who are involved in the illegal activities, the acts of terror: Mumbai blasts, Nanded bomb makers and their affiliates etc., while trying to honestly investigate
the suspects of Mumbai blasts, they should forthwith stop the high handed methods being resorted to against the minority community.

6. We appeal to fellow citizens to reject the propaganda being carried on by vested organizations, to come forward with warmth and amity towards the fellow citizens, irrespective of their religion, and to strengthen the integration of the nation. The feeling of 'Hate other' perpetuated by some, may sound appealing in the short run, but they will be divisive to the country in the long run.

7. We are sure that with a balanced approach to the issue we can overcome this issue of terrorism as we could overcome the terrorism resorted to by Khalistanis not too long ago.

Signed

Asghar Ali Engineer,L.S.Hardenia, Ram Puniyani
(Patron) (Convener) (Secretary)

 

[ahmeddsid]

Stop Harrassing The Innocents


An Appeal from All India Secular Forum

10 August, 2006
Countercurrents.org

The Mumbai blasts shook the nation and killed over 200 innocent people. This act is highly condemnable and the perpetrators of this ghastly crime need to be punished with all severity.

In the wake of horrific bomb blasts the police is blindly operating on the formula that all Muslims are suspects and has been arresting and harassing innumerable innocent Muslims. Right the day next police arrested nearly three hundred youth and released most of them after the public protest. Muslims at different social levels, including executives and others, are being investigated as such and more so about their travel abroad and other routine involvements, related to work and leisure. While police has totally failed to prevent this incident, while it has not made any headway in the investigation, it is arresting, interrogating and intimidating people without much evidence, barring the fact that they bear a Muslim identity.

Terrorism is an insane and tragic phenomenon of our times having its roots in multiple factors, starting from the US/Israel policies in the West Asia, to the unresolved issue of Kashmir, the plight of Kashmiri people, to the communal violence coming up in stronger and stronger form all around and being presented as the 'glory of religion'. As far as the apprehending the suspects is concerned a reckless communal attitude is displayed due to which all and sundry Muslim youth
are nabbed and made to rot in jails, and many others are being questioned and intimidated. The social common sense is being vitiated through the word of mouth propaganda and by a section of communalized media to demonize a section of population. The community divides along religious lines are widening and posing a threat to national integration. Those claiming to be the patriots in turn are creating a situation where the intercommunity relations are worsening, threatening the harmony and amity which are the prerequisites of any nation.

All this has created an extreme sense of fear and intimidation in large parts of the Muslim minority. Irrespective the social standing of the person, the Muslims in general are being pushed to the brink. Many a delegations have met the state Government and pleaded for exercise of reason in apprehending the 'suspects' of blasts. Even the delegations have met the Prime Minister, who himself conceded that this attitude of police will worsen the situation rather than solving it. Surely those understanding human psychology, social psychology can easily see that from innocents ******* in jail, some will surely fall pray to the bait of terror merchants. We can perceive that
an average person when seen as suspect will have a deep disgust and few of them can tread the unwanted and undesired path. Instead of solving the problem this will aggravate the same, putting to risk the life of average citizen of the state/country. This reckless attitude of police is fraught with dangers. Sadly even the Prime Minister seems to be watching helplessly.

On the other hand the Maharashtra Government, whose Anti Terrorist squad came to conclude that Bajarag Dal activists are involved in bomb making as in Nanded, has been sleeping over the issue. In the same state a Citizens fact finding committee headed by a retired high court judge has pointed out serious flaws in the police version of encounter of 'terrorists' near the RSS head quarters n Nagpur. The Maharashtra Government has chosen to put the Nanded and Nagpur episodes under the carpet. Presently in many states like Maharashtra, Madhya Pradesh, Gujarat and other, police administrations are over enthusiastic in intimidating the innocent Muslims. This betrays the poor quality of professional conduct. Some of these arrests are meant to hide the failure of their own 'intelligence'. All in all, we are witnessing a situation where the innocents are being harassed and the civic life of large sections is coming under the stifling scanner of the state officials.

1. We urge the President to intervene and advise the central/state governments to wake up and act with reason and justice in investigating/handling these cases.

2. We Urge the Chairperson of the UPA to ensure that such a gross violation of the human rights is stopped right away and minorities are assured that they will not be treated in such a shabby manner as they are being at present.

3. We urge upon the Prime Minister to be guided by his wisdom and to take up the present problem, to instruct the Govt to see that legal, social and human norms are respected while dealing with the investigation of episodes of terror. As the leader of the country it is his paramount duty to see that all citizens are able to live without fear and intimidation.

4. We urge upon the upon the home minister to advise the state Governments, and Maharashtra Government in particular, that the present senseless methods resorted to in dealing with the minorities will be counterproductive and that they should employ professional and intelligent methods in dealing with the situation. While guilty should not be spared in any case the innocents should be given all the feeling of security.

5. We urge upon the Government of Maharashtra in particular and other states like Madhya Pradesh and Gujarat in general, to wake up to their responsibility of treating all the citizens on par irrespective of their religion, that's what our constitution advises us. While taking the strictest action against those who are involved in the illegal activities, the acts of terror: Mumbai blasts, Nanded bomb makers and their affiliates etc., while trying to honestly investigate
the suspects of Mumbai blasts, they should forthwith stop the high handed methods being resorted to against the minority community.

6. We appeal to fellow citizens to reject the propaganda being carried on by vested organizations, to come forward with warmth and amity towards the fellow citizens, irrespective of their religion, and to strengthen the integration of the nation. The feeling of 'Hate other' perpetuated by some, may sound appealing in the short run, but they will be divisive to the country in the long run.

7. We are sure that with a balanced approach to the issue we can overcome this issue of terrorism as we could overcome the terrorism resorted to by Khalistanis not too long ago.

Signed

Asghar Ali Engineer,L.S.Hardenia, Ram Puniyani
(Patron) (Convener) (Secretary)

Why dont u try to Understand, Yes we have Problems, We are solving it too and not just copy pasting from somewhere! Whats wrong with you all trying to highlight the poor aspects of Indian Muslims? I as an Indian Muslim accept there are challenges, so why should you try to prove it again and again and again?? Is it some kind of Complex?

 

[leonblack08]

RK told to give statistics only.I am still not getting the idea why this thread was opened in the first place.What are we supposed to discuss??I mean we know India had muslim president and bollywood is ruled by muslims,But what is there to discuss??

Not clear about the topic of this thread.Better for me to stay out of it.

 

[ahmeddsid]

RK told to give statistics only.I am still not getting the idea why this thread was opened in the first place.What are we supposed to discuss??I mean we know India had muslim president and bollywood is ruled by muslims,But what is there to discuss??

Not clear about the topic of this thread.Better for me to stay out of it.

I havent heard a single member from BD saying 1 nice aspect of India, or Indian Muslims. Bring in some good facts too, to prove you are not biased against India. Thats all I want to say.

 

[leonblack08]

I havent heard a single member from BD saying 1 nice aspect of India, or Indian Muslims. Bring in some good facts too, to prove you are not biased against India. Thats all I want to say.

You are posting all the good facts,what's left??

We know India had Muslim president,bollywood is ruled by muslims,there are muslim millioneer and etc.Now if this is a Mythbusting Thread,then we should discuss the both sides of the coin.

I know some muslim in India are very well off,like you.But it is important to discuss what India is doing to improve those muslims who are lagging behind.

Everyone is afraid of Muslim terrorists,poverty and illiteracy is the main cause of terrorism,not only in India but also in the world.So it is important to discuss what India is doing in that respective.

Harrassment by Police is common and it is important because the Chief of Police in Mumbai is himself a muslim.So it is something to discuss about.

But then again if this thread is only to copy and paste good figures,Then I don't think it draws full picture.