Sargon of Akkad
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>>You do realize that the entire, albeit small overall, Kurdish-controlled area of Syria was lost by the Al-Assad regime to dada Kurds, right?
Of Course, They are Opportunists,They took wherever they could.
>>What are you blabbering about?
Quote Specific line from my reply.
>>YPG and other Kurdish militias have backstabbed the Syrian opposition and the Al-Assad regime countless of times. They are only interested in their own region and in ethnically cleansing native Arabs and Assyrians and Turkmens so they can expand their territories.
They took what is theirs so you can't call it expansion.
Heard some reports about their issues with arabs but then again Arabs are fighting and dying in entire MENA region without help of Kurds so you can't actually blame them.
>>Let ISIS and YPG kill each other for all I care.
IS is mostly done they are under pressure from all sides. YPG/SDF has mush better perspective from all parties in Syrian Conflict.
>>Better than ISIS but other than that no.
Explanation needed.
>>I am an Arab and I know Syria well as I have visited it many times. I know Syrians in Syria and in KSA and Syrian culture. Syrian Sunni Arabs have no desire to live under a ISIS-style system. Every army/group in the ME uses religion as a motivation. Does not mean much.
Diverges from your previous stand but if you say Secular Syria as a Solution I totally agree with you.
>>Ironically you totally omit the fact that Shia Islamists are more religiously motivated as they are foreigners and they are supposedly "defending" imaginary shrines (that are actually not located inside Syria) unlike native Syrians who albeit using religion as a motivation have 100 other reasons to fight for. Starting with defending their family, city/town/village, country, friends etc.
I didn't mention them because they were out of our focus of discussion but i don't support or mask them in anyway. I never said anything about them.
>>Since you mention I will clear that for me they are also terrorists. I don't support any non-state actors using insurgency for whatever reason may be.
>>There are much fewer of them on the Syrian opposition. Not even comparable.
You are wrong, current opposition is Sunni Islamic Extremists giving jihadi teachings to upcoming generation. Not even comparable. Some Al-Nusa (Now JaF) teachings
>>That is a blatant lie as the Syrian opposition is barely supported by anyone expect a few countries, mostly KSA, Qatar and Turkey, although the latter might change their policy after Erdogan has tried to become friends with Putin again.
Consider hypothetically
if US do not support them then Russia will freely turn rebels held syria into Rubble (Current bombing is nothing compared to what Russia can do).
If US stop selling TOW and other weapons,You know how much advance tech KSA,Turkey,Kuwait etc have on there own. (Practically None).
If US oppose them and restrict Arms supply from Bulgaria etc.
If US start Air-strikes against them.
If US advocate sanction against Rebels Supporting countries.
Rebels will collapse even without US approval let alone if they withdraw support and start opposing.
>>What is the point of me posting several such videos and articles when Mr. Google has been invented and Mr. Youtube?
Probably you caught in propaganda videos and articles. Read to both sides judge by yourself.
I asked for specific articles & videos supporting your claim like i put in my replies.
>You reply was similar to what Pakistani members reply when asked about Pakistani contributions in JF-17<
There answer is always "Search in the forum".
>>Because why should they when the most important fights take place in the other end of Syria? You can use the same logic in regards to Kurds but unlike all other parties the Al-Assad regime are supposedly the legitimate rulers of Syria, lol.
Importance of fight is determined by what is your goal and there goal is to remove current Syrian Govt. so IS is not that much important to them.
>>You can use the same logic in regards to Kurds
No, Kurds faced certain slavery/extinction like Yazidis at the hands of IS and their only chance was to fight and win. That is why they majoly fight IS. This proves my point of having certain Goals not yours.
>>I am an Arab and thus by default affairs in Syria are as dear to me as anywhere else in the Arab world. Besides I have not told Syrians to do anything unlike you. All I have said to you is that Islam plays a role in the lives of Syrians and that you, as an Indian, not even a fellow Arab, should not tell Syrians what they should do.
Arabs are also slaughtering fellow Arabs in Syria and Iraq.
India helped Iraqis during Iran-Iraq and Gulf war with medical supplies and other support while your fellow Arabs was one funding war and then fighting with Iraq.
This put us Indian in much better light to speak than so called Fellow Arabs.
>>75% of all Syrians are Syrian Sunni Arabs. It is only natural that this group of people will dominate Syria again. Your Mughal example makes no sense.
I will write a separate post on that but Try to see from my point of view then you will see it fitting.
>>As for the Byzantines, the native population remained the same, and many Roman/Byzantine Emperors had Arab ancestry (Philip the Arab for instance). Anyway the Byzantines were non-local invaders and events 1400 years ago have nothing to do with the demographics of Syria in the year 2016.
Well, Then we can also ignore if Sunni Arabs Ruled Syria in past as all is history now including Byzantine, French,Sunni Arabs etc.
>>Why are you blabbering about some very short French rule?
It was an example and is in no way foolish.
>>Why don't you take a look at 500 posts in this thread?
If you notice in my previous post i mentioned 500 to answer one of my post he missed.
So, i read his posts and i am already clarifying any doubts/conflicts have on those.
>>You don't know anything about Tunisia?
Rofl,Why?
>>90% of all the 1.7 billion Muslims worldwide are Sunnis. We are going NOWHERE.
Don't worry, All Sunnis are not terrorists and extremist ,some are much more secular. Nobody need to go anywhere just extremists needs to adapt to current world or rooted out.
>>We will only get stronger on all fronts and more numerous for each month.
Only some counties will actually get stronger. If there were no Oil most of Islamic countries would have been in bad economic shape.
Turkey is one that sets itself apart.
Terrorism also grows with you strength unless extremist values are rooted out it will remain as cancer to your strong world.
Your last lines of post reflect as if i offended you somehow but i assure you if you find anything offensive in my previous or any post, it is purely unintentional.
Well, I am just disputing your initial claim that made it sound like the Al-Assad regime and the Syrian Kurds had never fought against each other.
You wrote that the currently Kurdish-controlled areas of Syria were conquered by rebels (I believe that you are here referring to FSA) which never was the case. That is what I mean with, "what are you blabbering about".
Arabs "dying all over the MENA" region is inaccurate as that only goes for the main 4 hotspots currently which are Syria, Iraq, Yemen and Libya. All of those countries are Arab countries. Besides Arabs are by far the biggest ethnic group in the MENA region, number 450 million people (at least) worldwide and are also the second largest ethnic group in the world after the Han Chinese.
As for Kurds killing/displacing native people, that is not a light crime.
I know that ISIS are in a hard place (good news) but I do not believe that they are "done" in Syria as in that they are going to disappear completely tomorrow or in say 1 years time.
FSA and your regular Syrian opposition group is not discriminating or targeting minorities in Syria. That is what I meant.
You have a very strange view of Muslims and "Islamists". I am not an Islamist myself but I would like to see KSA retain some link to Islam and Islamic culture. That can be done in many, many ways. What ISIS has done is a total extreme.
Fair enough. That is good to hear.
When I say Syrian opposition I do not include ISISa and Al-Nusra (now under a different name. Foreigners in other groups are very limited. We are talking no more than 1000-2000 people. Most foreigners have joined ISIS and Al-Nusra (much less the latter).
US can obviously impact them negatively but the true is that those states that you have mentioned have hardly helped them with much. It is NOTHING compared to what kind of support Russia, Iran (billions upon billions) have been giving the Al-Assad regime.
They are not propaganda videos or articles.
Look, that is not an intelligent answer. Most of the population of Syria is located in the West. Aleppo is the largest city in Syria. Millions of civilians in Western Syria, mostly Syrian Sunni Arabs, have been starving/in a catastrophic situation thanks to the Al-Assad regime. The priority will obviously be to defend oneself in those areas of Syria rather than attacking an isolated city in the East of the country (Al-Raqqah) which is the capital of ISIS. That would be suicide.
As for Syrian opposition groups, not long ago, they attacked ISIS in Al-Bukamal but of course the international community did not really help them so they were outnumbered.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_al-Bukamal_offensive
CIA, KSA and Jordan were apparently involved but it appears to me that nobody wants to really fully support the Syrian opposition as Russia has been supporting Al-Assad for instance. The infamous "red lines" of Obama come to mind and empty rhetoric of many MENA leaders in regards to helping Syrians.
Yazidis are Yazidis, not Kurds. Nor did they face extinction as there are no Yazidis (barely any) in Syria. Kurds where nowhere to be seen either until the Americans interfered.
Well, Syria is suffering from a civil war and Iraq was too/is albeit at a much lower intensity so this is not surprising. You are confusing the invasion of Kuwait (one man's work = Saddam) with the Iraq-Iran War. Yes, most, as in almost every Arab country supported Iraq against Iran which is something completely normal. Expect ironically neighboring fellow Ba'ath ruled Syria due to bad ties between Hafiz and Saddam and Libya-ruled Gaddafi due to the similar reason. However all Libyans and Syrians supported Iraq more or less. Nor did/do those regimes speak for Libyans or Syrians. Not anymore than the regime in KSA speaks for Saudi Arabians when it comes to the policy in Syria.
I cannot see the logic of that comparison for the reasons that I have stated. We are in 2016 and the Syrian Sunni Arabs are a clear demographic majority like they have always been since Syria (current nation state) was created and for the past 1400 years. Mughals were a tiny, tiny, tiny minority/dynasty that ruled parts of India. A foreign one too at that. A dynasty that does not exist in year 2016.
We are talking about the present and the recent past. Not what happened 15 centuries ago.
500 clearly showed, which is common knowledge for those who know the recent history of Syria, that secularism was present long before the Al-Assad dynasty took power and Ba'athism became popular. Nor do I know any example of Syrian Sunni Arabs (75% of the population) killing minorities during that time.
You seem not to know much about Tunisia.
I do not consider people fighting against the biggest genocidal dictator of this century, for their families, country, lands etc. for being terrorists at all. In this regard I do not care about their religion or sect the slightest. Speaking about terrorism, as I already wrote, Al-Assad is the PRIMARY reason for the rise of terrorism.
For instance the Arab world, which is in the vast majority Sunni Muslim, is the cradle of civilization and was one of the most wealthy areas of the world for millennia. Long before any oil and gas was found. The last many decades are a wrong period to use as a measuring stick. Also things are bound to improve on this front.
The point was merely that 9/10 Muslims that you see worldwide, are Sunni Muslim, and it seems that you have a bias/problem with us Sunni Muslims that is bound in ignorance.
Anyway you seem like a friendly person and as a person that is more informed about Syria than most of your counterparts here. I will give you that.
Anyway I shared/share the exact same opinion about Gaddafi who was a Sunni as 99,9% of all Libyans are so my opposition against Al-Assad has nothing to do with sect but what his regime has done, represents and their "friends". Not to say that those dictators/regimes had no legitimacy left and them staying longer in power would just mean more misery.
Anyway I will continue to insist that Al-Assad's time is numbered and that he and his "friends" are just prolonging the inevitable just to stay in control of the heavily damaged throne for a bit longer. He could have followed Ben Ali's example or Mubarak's and Syria would have looked much, much more differently today and for the better.
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(Here in india many people who follow Islam bad mouth about India even when they live in india, Eat indian food, use Indian facilities & they don't even immigrate to "Land of Pure"
. You are also conversing patiently and in calm manner.
