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Anyway, after checking the figure, will you doubt that crater by mortal, howitzer or ae-bomb?
We're too familiar with many types of bomb.
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Myanmar May Have Just Bombed Chinese Territory -- Now What?
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Anyway, after checking the figure, will you doubt that crater by mortal, howitzer or ae-bomb?
We're too familiar with many types of bomb.
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China Airforce also deploy J-11 fighters near Myanmar-China border airport to counter Myanmar fighter invasion.
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So 6x J-11 ?
Those fighters were deployed from another region?
I think that the way the govt assure the people.
J-11 can't handle accidental howitzer shoot.
China is not even a British colony. Why shall British bother to give China a bigger share?
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Just PLA SiChuan military region, their airforce owned J-11A/B and J-10A fighters. YunNan province defense belong to SiChuan military region. In other city of YunNan province far away from Myanmar-China border, there'r PLAAF J-11A/B and J-10A combat squadrons, now some J-11A/B moved to closer airport near Myanmar-China border for patrolling.
Tell me @BoQ77, why u always ask me such @#X&* question ? I won't feed any spy.
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France was also not colony of Germany. But when Germany empire collapsed, Germany gave back the territory back to France. So I asked that British guy.
Myanmar defence minister promises further probe into border bombing - Chennaionline News
Mar 16, 2015
Kuala Lumpur, March 16 (IANS) Myanmar's Defence Minister Wai Lwin said on Monday that his government will conduct further investigations into the bombing incident across the Myanmar-China border which left five Chinese citizens dead and eight others injured last week. Wai Lwin, who is attending a three-day Asean Defence Ministers' Meeting in Langkawi, Malaysia, said that the Myanmar government has expressed condolences to the victims of the bombing, Xinhua news agency reported.
Speaking at a press conference, he said an investigation commission will be formed to find out the root cause of the incident.
"Myanmar and China have maintained very good neighbourly relations and friendly relationship for many years, and we adhere to the principles of very peaceful relationship and hope to ease the border tension with support of diplomatic arrangements," he said.
On March 13, a bomb dropped by a Myanmar warplane hit a sugarcane field in the border city of Lincang, China's southwestern Yunnan province, killing five people and injuring eight others working there in the afternoon.
Vice Chairman of China's Central Military Commission Fan Changlong has warned that no further deadly stray fire incidents should happen or the Chinese military would take "firm and decisive action" to protect the safety of its people.
He also urged Myanmar to punish the perpetrators and apologise to and compensate the families of the victims.
China's air force has sent fighter jets to patrol over the China-Myanmar border areas to "track, monitor, warn and chase away" Myanmar military planes flying close to China.
Relations between China and Myanmar, sharing a border of over 2,000 km, have been upgraded to a comprehensive strategic cooperative partnership.
Mar 16, 2015
Kuala Lumpur, March 16 (IANS) Myanmar's Defence Minister Wai Lwin said on Monday that his government will conduct further investigations into the bombing incident across the Myanmar-China border which left five Chinese citizens dead and eight others injured last week. Wai Lwin, who is attending a three-day Asean Defence Ministers' Meeting in Langkawi, Malaysia, said that the Myanmar government has expressed condolences to the victims of the bombing, Xinhua news agency reported.
Speaking at a press conference, he said an investigation commission will be formed to find out the root cause of the incident.
"Myanmar and China have maintained very good neighbourly relations and friendly relationship for many years, and we adhere to the principles of very peaceful relationship and hope to ease the border tension with support of diplomatic arrangements," he said.
On March 13, a bomb dropped by a Myanmar warplane hit a sugarcane field in the border city of Lincang, China's southwestern Yunnan province, killing five people and injuring eight others working there in the afternoon.
Vice Chairman of China's Central Military Commission Fan Changlong has warned that no further deadly stray fire incidents should happen or the Chinese military would take "firm and decisive action" to protect the safety of its people.
He also urged Myanmar to punish the perpetrators and apologise to and compensate the families of the victims.
China's air force has sent fighter jets to patrol over the China-Myanmar border areas to "track, monitor, warn and chase away" Myanmar military planes flying close to China.
Relations between China and Myanmar, sharing a border of over 2,000 km, have been upgraded to a comprehensive strategic cooperative partnership.
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Myanmar blames China bombing on 'ethnic group'
March 17, 2015 - 2:23PM
Bangkok: Myanmar's air force never entered Chinese territory and an "ethnic group" is responsible for a bomb that killed five farmers inside China, a government spokesman said.
"We checked with the military," said Zaw Htay, director of the office of President Thein Sein. "Based on the data and GPS, our planes did not enter Chinese territory. Ground data showed we did not enter China territory."
People's Liberation Army jets flew several sorties to monitor Myanmar military aircraft close to the border after the bombing on March 13, Colonel Shen Jinke, a China spokesman, said in a statement Saturday. China also lodged a formal protest with Myanmar's ambassador, Thit Linn Ohn, on Friday evening.
Rebel soldiers of the Myanmar National Democratic Alliance Army (MNDAA) patrol near a military base in Kokang last week. Photo: Reuters
The bombing came amid an escalating conflict between Myanmar's government and rebels from the Kokang minority, made up of ethnic Chinese people residing in the south-east Asian nation's northern Shan State. Myanmar's government has accused some rebels of taking refuge across the nearby border with China and called for Beijing to arrest and return them.
"The insurgents are maybe perhaps targeting the stability of the border areas to damage the relationship between Myanmar and China," Myanmar Defence Minister Wai Lwin told reporters on Monday.
Myanmar has sought to reduce its reliance on China since relations with the West improved after a quasi-civilian government won elections in 2011, ending a half-century of direct military rule. After taking office, Thein Sein, a former general, halted work on some key joint projects, including the $US3.6 billion Myitsone hydropower dam across the Irrawaddy River.
Rebel soldiers of the Myanmar National Democratic Alliance Army in Kokang last week. Photo: Reuters
He said the project, being built with China Power Investment Corp, was against the "will of the people". China Power called the decision "bewildering" and said it would hold talks with the government to resume the project.
Despite such moves, China remains Myanmar's largest trading partner, with total trade valued at $US10.9 billion in 2013.
The military's clashes with the Myanmar National Democratic Alliance Army, a Kokang rebel force that is one of several ethnic armies pushing for greater autonomy or independence from the central government, has added to the strain with China.
A rebel soldier rests near a military base in Kokang last week. Photo: Reuters
The group is an off-shoot of the Communist Party of Burma, and after a two-decade-old ceasefire was broken in a 2009 government assault, some of the rebels are thought to have fled to China. Fighting between the two sides began again last month, with dozens killed, prompting the government to impose martial law and declare a state of emergency in the area.
More than 60,000 Myanmar refugees have fled to neighbouring Yunnan in China, where temporary shelters are provided by the local government, China Daily reported on March 7. The Myanmar government has signalled that the militia's leader, Peng Jiasheng, may have also crossed the border and has called on the government in Beijing to arrest him and his followers and return them to Myanmar.
Following the deaths of the farmers, China's ambassador to Myanmar, Yang Houlan, met the commander in chief of Myanmar's army, Senior General Min Aung Hlaing, and Vice-President Sai Mauk Kham on Saturday to discuss the situation, Mr Zaw Htay said.
"We are ready to cooperate to find out the truth," Mr Zaw Htay said, blaming the attack on an unidentified "ethnic group". He said checking the remains of the weapons used would prove that the bomb didn't come from the Myanmar air force.
"We would like to express our deep sorrow for death and injuries of Chinese nationals", Myanmar's government said.It added that the two sides are operating closely through diplomatic and military channels to maintain peace on their shared border.
"We have responsibility and the capacity to firmly safeguard stability in the border areas between the two countries and to protect the life and property of our people," Chinese Premier Li Keqiang said yesterday in Beijing.
The incident was unlikely to have a lasting impact on bilateral relations between the two countries, said Hla Maung, a retired Myanmar diplomat and economist.
"I think there is a misunderstanding," he said. "I think the problem can be solved if both sides jointly visit the area."
Bloomberg
March 17, 2015 - 2:23PM
Bangkok: Myanmar's air force never entered Chinese territory and an "ethnic group" is responsible for a bomb that killed five farmers inside China, a government spokesman said.
"We checked with the military," said Zaw Htay, director of the office of President Thein Sein. "Based on the data and GPS, our planes did not enter Chinese territory. Ground data showed we did not enter China territory."
People's Liberation Army jets flew several sorties to monitor Myanmar military aircraft close to the border after the bombing on March 13, Colonel Shen Jinke, a China spokesman, said in a statement Saturday. China also lodged a formal protest with Myanmar's ambassador, Thit Linn Ohn, on Friday evening.
Rebel soldiers of the Myanmar National Democratic Alliance Army (MNDAA) patrol near a military base in Kokang last week. Photo: Reuters
The bombing came amid an escalating conflict between Myanmar's government and rebels from the Kokang minority, made up of ethnic Chinese people residing in the south-east Asian nation's northern Shan State. Myanmar's government has accused some rebels of taking refuge across the nearby border with China and called for Beijing to arrest and return them.
"The insurgents are maybe perhaps targeting the stability of the border areas to damage the relationship between Myanmar and China," Myanmar Defence Minister Wai Lwin told reporters on Monday.
Myanmar has sought to reduce its reliance on China since relations with the West improved after a quasi-civilian government won elections in 2011, ending a half-century of direct military rule. After taking office, Thein Sein, a former general, halted work on some key joint projects, including the $US3.6 billion Myitsone hydropower dam across the Irrawaddy River.
Rebel soldiers of the Myanmar National Democratic Alliance Army in Kokang last week. Photo: Reuters
He said the project, being built with China Power Investment Corp, was against the "will of the people". China Power called the decision "bewildering" and said it would hold talks with the government to resume the project.
Despite such moves, China remains Myanmar's largest trading partner, with total trade valued at $US10.9 billion in 2013.
The military's clashes with the Myanmar National Democratic Alliance Army, a Kokang rebel force that is one of several ethnic armies pushing for greater autonomy or independence from the central government, has added to the strain with China.
A rebel soldier rests near a military base in Kokang last week. Photo: Reuters
The group is an off-shoot of the Communist Party of Burma, and after a two-decade-old ceasefire was broken in a 2009 government assault, some of the rebels are thought to have fled to China. Fighting between the two sides began again last month, with dozens killed, prompting the government to impose martial law and declare a state of emergency in the area.
More than 60,000 Myanmar refugees have fled to neighbouring Yunnan in China, where temporary shelters are provided by the local government, China Daily reported on March 7. The Myanmar government has signalled that the militia's leader, Peng Jiasheng, may have also crossed the border and has called on the government in Beijing to arrest him and his followers and return them to Myanmar.
Following the deaths of the farmers, China's ambassador to Myanmar, Yang Houlan, met the commander in chief of Myanmar's army, Senior General Min Aung Hlaing, and Vice-President Sai Mauk Kham on Saturday to discuss the situation, Mr Zaw Htay said.
"We are ready to cooperate to find out the truth," Mr Zaw Htay said, blaming the attack on an unidentified "ethnic group". He said checking the remains of the weapons used would prove that the bomb didn't come from the Myanmar air force.
"We would like to express our deep sorrow for death and injuries of Chinese nationals", Myanmar's government said.It added that the two sides are operating closely through diplomatic and military channels to maintain peace on their shared border.
"We have responsibility and the capacity to firmly safeguard stability in the border areas between the two countries and to protect the life and property of our people," Chinese Premier Li Keqiang said yesterday in Beijing.
The incident was unlikely to have a lasting impact on bilateral relations between the two countries, said Hla Maung, a retired Myanmar diplomat and economist.
"I think there is a misunderstanding," he said. "I think the problem can be solved if both sides jointly visit the area."
Bloomberg
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Myanmar blames nobody. Hence the joint investigation. Truth will come out and both nations will deal with it like how two responsible gov'ts do.
China won't be trapped.
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China, Myanmar investigate deadly bombing in Yunnan: FM
Source: Xinhua Published: 2015-3-16 20:18:55
China and a Myanmar working group arriving at the China-Myanmar border on Sunday are investigating a bombing that killed four Chinese, China's Foreign Ministry confirmed on Monday.
A bomb dropped by a Myanmar warplane hit a sugarcane field in the southwestern Chinese city of Lincang, which borders conflict-hit Myanmar, killing four people and injuring nine others on Friday afternoon.
China has lodged serious complaints to Myanmar through different channels and Myanmar has expressed sorrow for the Chinese casualties, saying it will investigate the bombing and properly handle the aftermath, Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei said at a daily news briefing.
The conflict in north Myanmar's Kokang region has lasted for over a month, severely impacting the border region's peace and stability, Hong said.
He urged conflicting parties to "take China's concerns seriously" and show restraint so as to restore the order at the border.
China has both the responsibility and ability to safeguard the stability of its border areas with Myanmar, Premier Li Keqiangsaid on Sunday while Chinese fighter jets patrolled the border to "track, monitor, warn and chase away" Myanmar military planes flying close to Chinese territory.
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Joint probe begins into border bombing
By Qiu Yongzheng in Lincang and Jiang Jie in Beijing Source:Global Times Published: 2015-3-17 0:23:04
‘Restrained’ military action expected
China and Myanmar have started a joint investigation into the bombing incident in a border city of Southwest China's Yunnan Province that killed five Chinese citizens, China's foreign ministry announced on Monday.
"China has lodged serious complaints to Myanmar through different channels and Myanmar has expressed sorrow for the Chinese casualties, saying it will investigate the bombing and properly handle the aftermath," foreign ministry spokesperson Hong Lei said at a Monday briefing.
A Myanmar working group arrived at the China-Myanmar border on Sunday, he said.
A bomb dropped by a warplane from conflict-stricken Myanmar killed five Chinese people working in a sugar cane field in Lincang, Yunnan Province on Friday. The bombing also injured another eight.
"The conflict in north Myanmar's Kokang region has lasted for over a month, severely affecting the border region's peace and stability," Hong said, urging the conflicting parties to "take China's concerns seriously" and show restraint so as to restore order in frontier areas.
Myanmar openly responded to the bombing late Sunday, saying that its authorities are cooperating with the Chinese side through diplomatic channels to uncover the truth.
In a statement published on Monday in the state-run Global New Light of Myanmar newspaper, the Myanmar government expressed "deep sorrow" for the deaths and injuries to Chinese people in the border areas and added that a joint investigation with Beijing will be conducted.
It added that the two countries' foreign and defense ministries were in direct contact over the investigation.
The probe will also look into whether Kokang rebels were involved to "create instability along the border," the report said, adding that the military had been instructed to maintain its operations within the territory of Myanmar.
An official with the Myanmar presidential office on Saturday denied that any bomb from its forces had fallen in China and said the rebels might have fired into China to create "misunderstanding."
Analysts have noted Myanmar government's improving attitude and predicted a more restrained Myanmar military operation in the future in light of the resolute and clear Chinese government position.
Ji Qiufeng, a professor at the School of International Relations at Nanjing University, told the Global Times that the "unprecedented" tough stance presented by the Chinese government may send a signal to Myanmar that "unbridled violence" cannot solve the historical problem of ethnic rebels in the border areas.
While no further information regarding the investigation is available, a senior Kokang rebel leader said the group is waiting for the investigation results and is willing to work with the two governments on the investigation.
"We would like to hold peace talks with the Myanmar government as political means are the only ways to solve the situation in Kokang," a spokesperson for the Kokang rebels, who asked to be identified as Lin, told the Global Times.
Meanwhile, the bomb-hit city in Yunnan has strengthened border patrols and increased defense forces over the weekend.
A Global Times reporter saw several jet fighters from the People's Liberation Army air force at Lincang airport. There were also armed guards near the fighters. However, no civilian flights have been affected, according to an employee at the airport.
The five deceased were cremated on Saturday. All were male and the youngest was 22 years old. Each victim's family has allegedly received 20,000 yuan ($3,193.6) from the local government as compensation. Of the eight people injured, three have been hospitalized and one is still in intensive care, China Central Television reported.
China won't be trapped.
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China, Myanmar investigate deadly bombing in Yunnan: FM
Source: Xinhua Published: 2015-3-16 20:18:55
China and a Myanmar working group arriving at the China-Myanmar border on Sunday are investigating a bombing that killed four Chinese, China's Foreign Ministry confirmed on Monday.
A bomb dropped by a Myanmar warplane hit a sugarcane field in the southwestern Chinese city of Lincang, which borders conflict-hit Myanmar, killing four people and injuring nine others on Friday afternoon.
China has lodged serious complaints to Myanmar through different channels and Myanmar has expressed sorrow for the Chinese casualties, saying it will investigate the bombing and properly handle the aftermath, Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei said at a daily news briefing.
The conflict in north Myanmar's Kokang region has lasted for over a month, severely impacting the border region's peace and stability, Hong said.
He urged conflicting parties to "take China's concerns seriously" and show restraint so as to restore the order at the border.
China has both the responsibility and ability to safeguard the stability of its border areas with Myanmar, Premier Li Keqiangsaid on Sunday while Chinese fighter jets patrolled the border to "track, monitor, warn and chase away" Myanmar military planes flying close to Chinese territory.
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Joint probe begins into border bombing
By Qiu Yongzheng in Lincang and Jiang Jie in Beijing Source:Global Times Published: 2015-3-17 0:23:04
‘Restrained’ military action expected
China and Myanmar have started a joint investigation into the bombing incident in a border city of Southwest China's Yunnan Province that killed five Chinese citizens, China's foreign ministry announced on Monday.
"China has lodged serious complaints to Myanmar through different channels and Myanmar has expressed sorrow for the Chinese casualties, saying it will investigate the bombing and properly handle the aftermath," foreign ministry spokesperson Hong Lei said at a Monday briefing.
A Myanmar working group arrived at the China-Myanmar border on Sunday, he said.
A bomb dropped by a warplane from conflict-stricken Myanmar killed five Chinese people working in a sugar cane field in Lincang, Yunnan Province on Friday. The bombing also injured another eight.
"The conflict in north Myanmar's Kokang region has lasted for over a month, severely affecting the border region's peace and stability," Hong said, urging the conflicting parties to "take China's concerns seriously" and show restraint so as to restore order in frontier areas.
Myanmar openly responded to the bombing late Sunday, saying that its authorities are cooperating with the Chinese side through diplomatic channels to uncover the truth.
In a statement published on Monday in the state-run Global New Light of Myanmar newspaper, the Myanmar government expressed "deep sorrow" for the deaths and injuries to Chinese people in the border areas and added that a joint investigation with Beijing will be conducted.
It added that the two countries' foreign and defense ministries were in direct contact over the investigation.
The probe will also look into whether Kokang rebels were involved to "create instability along the border," the report said, adding that the military had been instructed to maintain its operations within the territory of Myanmar.
An official with the Myanmar presidential office on Saturday denied that any bomb from its forces had fallen in China and said the rebels might have fired into China to create "misunderstanding."
Analysts have noted Myanmar government's improving attitude and predicted a more restrained Myanmar military operation in the future in light of the resolute and clear Chinese government position.
Ji Qiufeng, a professor at the School of International Relations at Nanjing University, told the Global Times that the "unprecedented" tough stance presented by the Chinese government may send a signal to Myanmar that "unbridled violence" cannot solve the historical problem of ethnic rebels in the border areas.
While no further information regarding the investigation is available, a senior Kokang rebel leader said the group is waiting for the investigation results and is willing to work with the two governments on the investigation.
"We would like to hold peace talks with the Myanmar government as political means are the only ways to solve the situation in Kokang," a spokesperson for the Kokang rebels, who asked to be identified as Lin, told the Global Times.
Meanwhile, the bomb-hit city in Yunnan has strengthened border patrols and increased defense forces over the weekend.
A Global Times reporter saw several jet fighters from the People's Liberation Army air force at Lincang airport. There were also armed guards near the fighters. However, no civilian flights have been affected, according to an employee at the airport.
The five deceased were cremated on Saturday. All were male and the youngest was 22 years old. Each victim's family has allegedly received 20,000 yuan ($3,193.6) from the local government as compensation. Of the eight people injured, three have been hospitalized and one is still in intensive care, China Central Television reported.
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with what????If China gives green light BD airforce will return the favor nicely to Burmese
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Did British occupy China other than Hongkong? And they did give back China their Hong Kong. Did China say thanks? Would China have said Thanks if British did not leave Hongkong on their own but only after dragging China for a 100 yrs. struggle?
British did not leave India to just India and Pakistan but to over 500 states who were free to join India or Pakistan or remain free. But the freedom struggle had united the people of India and thats how India became one nation. Our pre independence leaders collectively fought for one nation that was India. Its wrong to say that British had united India. They indeed had control over all of India but they had given freedom to over 500 entities in South Asia. People from Kashmir and NWFP to Tamilnadu and North East participated in the freedom struggle unitedly and all wanted a free India and not free 500+ states. This is what united India and the disuniting factor created Pakistan.
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China rent out Hongkong ( main part) to British for 99 years, that's the agreement of treaty in 1898. That's the reason they have the legal principle to return HongKong in 1997.
As to India, before British empire reach India and expanded, vast of land didn't never belong to India. Indian themselves didn't have the ability, forces or will to occupy those territory and local people. British at that time were an industrialized forces. Obviously you will not express your thanks to British. see? @Steve781
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Which land never belonged to India??? No nation is born from heaven. Its a modern political phenomenon. Nationalism never existed in medieval period. Nation was known by the king and his kingdom. Even mighty moghul empire's territories kept changing. It neither affected the people nor the rulers took it to their hearts. Geographical boundaries are a 20th century phenomenon. Indians too struggled for the democracy like others in Europe and elsewhere. Just that the rulers were foreigners or else it would have been a struggle against the kings. The contribution of British is only to the extent that the fight for freedom united the people of all the indian states within the sub continent and we found the sense of oneness during this struggle. We realised, we can be better as one nation rather than be 500 nations. But you dont ask history why this happened and why this did not.
Colonial British were oppressors and dont deserve thanks. They left us a bloodied legacy that we are still paying through our blood and sweat. But apart from many bad things, they also did some good for the society in the form of social reforms and they are thanked and appreciated for that.
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Good, you realize that you need to thank for British for aspects. That's thanksgiving.
And you played the words games. The 500 nations( i doubt it) are still within British empire as one legal subject. If British annexed Nepal in 19th century, maybe you need to mention 501 nations. Fortunately Nepal kept independent always, but Nepal signed several treaty with British ceded land to British.
You need to be clear, all those were done by British not Indian. Referring to the territory disputes, all are due to the empire expand.
The situation is that Indian get benefits from British, but without any appreciation; Chinese don't accept British Mac Mahon line, but have to negotiate Indian nowadays ( British had left. ).
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