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what is the root cause of Rohingya vs Buddhist Rakhine?
alaungphaya

To find out the root cause, read Aung San Suu Kyi's Freedom From Fear. She is quite candid in saying that when the Burmans were strong they occupied the adjoining states.And when weakened, the Burmans again withdrew into the heartland.Arakan, like other peripheral six states, do not belong to Burma/Myanmar. The kingdom of Arakan was conquered by the Burmese in 1785. Under pressure from Arakanese refugees in Bengal, the East India Co had raised the Arakan Light Infantry (ALI). With ALI as the vanguard the English Co annexed Arakan after the first Anglo-Burmese War (1824-6). The Arakanese were always under the impression that the English would hand over their kingdom to them. Instead the British handed over this Muslim majority state to the Burmese - obviously foreseeing the troubles that will result.
 
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You were pretending if was founded with the migration of Tai people in Assam. Assam has as ancient history as other parts of India starting with Pragjyotishpur/Kamrupa kingdom in the antiquity of Indian history, Tais just assimilated in the earlier culture of the region. Other tribes of North-East have their distinct culture but Assamese are very similar to other North Indians particularly those in Eastern India.

yes, and snooping does wonders, too

@somsak do you agree?
 
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They are/were/have been culturally similar to India but ethnically similar to S.E.A mainland. Therefore it does not matter about our discussion.

remember we r asking whether they feel closer to S.E.A mainland because of their race or not.
 
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There must be some confusion. I don't give a crap about Bangladesh other than as a source of unwanted humans. I also know what those numbers mean and how they are calculated that goes beyond seeing which one is bigger.

But I really don't want this thread to be about Bangladesh. There's a special holding area for you boys.

How is general public Myanmarese view Thailand?

I think we still remember our history and sometimes we have differences of opinions on things. It's healthy to keep a sense of rivalry. I know that some people in Myanmar call Thailand 'phar tine pyay' which literally means 'whore country' :omghaha: but we respect that out of all our neighbours we have the most commonality in terms of culture and 'race'. From my own perspective, I think Buddhist South East Asian countries and Sri Lanka should co-operate more based along the lines of shared culture and identity.
 
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There must be some confusion. I don't give a crap about Bangladesh other than as a source of unwanted humans. I also know what those numbers mean and how they are calculated that goes beyond seeing which one is bigger.

But I really don't want this thread to be about Bangladesh. There's a special holding area for you boys.
sure u do, anyway we leave it here :D
 
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I did know a Burmese in Malaysia once, he has a fair complexion. I thought he was chinese. He hates the US.

I'm very light skinned but have big eyes on account of my 1/4 Arakanese heritage. :azn:

alaungphaya, what is the general view of the people of burma on vietnam?

Generally positive I guess. I think there's a sense that Vietnam was where we are economically 10 or 15 years ago. There's also a big, multi-billion dollar development in the centre of Yangon led by GAHL which looks awesome. I can't wait for it to be finished.
 
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I think there's a sense that Vietnam was where we are economically 10 or 15 years ago. There's also a big, multi-billion dollar development in the centre of Yangon led by GAHL which looks awesome. I can't wait for it to be finished.
some pictures plz :D
 
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he may be bro...it doesnt matter,,
.u have to understand that there have been a lot of mixing,,blood lines r blurred,,,

Interestingly, I was in Kyite Hti Yoe last year (a very famous pilgrimage site) and I saw a big group of pilgrims all coming down together to get on the last bus. They were all very quiet and not talking so I decided to start a conversation with one of them. I started speaking in Burmese and I got bemused looks all around. Turns out they were from Manipur but I swear they looked 100% Burmese. I don't know so much about the Assamese but in Myanmar we still refer to them with the 'kalar' term.

you mean negroian?

this is what an average indian looks like
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No it isn't. That looks like a Pashtoon.

BTW what Chinese and Indian people look like has no bearing on Myanmar so let's not discuss it any further.

Please stay on topic.

some pictures plz :D
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They are/were/have been culturally similar to India but ethnically similar to S.E.A mainland. Therefore it does not matter about our discussion.

remember we r asking whether they feel closer to S.E.A mainland because of their race or not.
There is lots of confusion in understanding NE people by both our Indian members and you.
 
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Yangon caught between city's past and future ucanews.com


Yangon caught between city's past and future
With sensitive planning, old capital can be stunningly transformed

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An interior view of the Sofaer building in downtown Yangon. (Photo by Sebastian Strangio)

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It’s fair to say the Balthazar Building in central Yangon has seen better days. The rails are rusted, the Italian marble floors are cracked and the birdcage elevator hasn’t worked in more than 40 years. In the building’s central courtyard, rats poke through piles of garbage and empty plastic bottles. “We have many dangers here,” said U Aung Than, 65, a lawyer who works out of a shoebox office on the second floor. “It’s almost falling down.”

Built in 1905 by the Armenian traders and insurance brokers Balthazar & Son, this red brick structure once housed the offices of companies including Siemens. But as the decades have passed, the building has grown so dilapidated that offices have their own inner shell of corrugated iron to guard against rainwater and falling plaster. “I don’t know whether the building will be preserved or not, but every day we are working here it is very dangerous,” Than said.

Where most other Asian cities saw their heritage wiped out by ugly urban sprawl, decades of isolation have largely shielded Yangon’s colonial buildings from demolition. Across downtown Yangon, many more British colonial buildings like the Balthazar still loom out of the noise and bustle, proud totems of a bygone era. “Yangon is a city that has been stuck in time,” said Ian Morley, an urban historian at the Chinese University of Hong Kong. “It’s been trapped in a bubble, the era in which it was built.”

But things are changing. Over the past few years, rents in Myanmar’s largest city have soared as foreign tourists and investors flooded in. A maelstrom of commercial development suddenly threatens buildings like the Balthazar, which have moldered undisturbed for decades in the tropical heat. “Yangon is under constant pressure to pull down buildings and put up towers,” said Rupert Mann, a senior program manager at the Yangon Heritage Trust (YHT), which works to protect the city’s architectural legacy.

Yangon’s downtown grid was laid out by British town planners in 1852, at the height of the empire. Under colonial rule, Rangoon, as it was then known, grew rapidly. By the 1930s, it had become a bustling port city of some 400,000 people from across the empire, a cosmopolitan mix of Armenian and Jewish merchants, Burmese and Indian tradesmen, and expatriates from imperial centers like London, Glasgow and Calcutta – all of whom left their mark on the city’s urban fabric.

Around the corner from the Balthazar Building stands another Yangon landmark. Named after the family of Baghdadi Jewish traders who erected it in 1906, the mustard colored Sofaer Building once represented the empire in microcosm, housing a Reuters telegram office, a Japanese hospital, a Viennese coffee shop and stores that sold imported luxuries like Egyptian cigarettes, German beer and British textiles.

Today it too has fallen into disrepair. In the darkness, jerry-rigged electrical wiring hangs above signs advertising long forgotten companies; upstairs, residents string their laundry from top floor windows. “It would be good if the government could do some renovations,” said U Win Than, 62, who runs a tea shop in the first floor hallway, next to the derelict elevator shaft, its cast iron grille covered in a thick layer of grime and dust. “In my opinion, historical buildings like this one should be preserved.”

The jewel in colonial Yangon’s crown was the Secretariat, the former seat of the British administration and the site where General Aung San and eight others were assassinated on the eve of independence.



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A section of the Secretariat building in Yangon. (Photo by Sebastian Strangio)



Occupying an entire city block, this sprawling red brick complex – a riot of turrets, domes and shaded walkways – was an icon of British imperial prowess, repurposed by the Myanmar government after the country won its independence in 1948. But when the government relocated to the new capital Naypyidaw in 2005, the Secretariat was abandoned. Today it slumbers behind barbed wire fences, its gardens overgrown, its windows opening onto unlit passages.

But Myanmar faces many obstacles to preserving these old relics in rapidly changing Yangon, which is expected to grow into a megacity of 10 million by 2040. Though the Yangon City Development Committee (YCDC) has officially earmarked 189 buildings for protection, old structures continue to succumb to the wrecking ball, and city authorities say they are deluged with plans for modern developments.

“When the government was changed [in 2011] there were many proposals for high rises and new constructions, and we had to control it,” said U Toe Aung, the head of the urban planning department at Yangon City Hall, another musty colonial landmark overlooking Mahabandoola Garden, known in British times as Fytche Square. “Some investors think we are just preventing natural development in the city. They think we want to keep Yangon city as a museum,” said Toe Aung.

Earlier this year, the YCDC endorsed a zoning plan that would see strict height limits imposed in Yangon’s downtown grid. When approved, Aung said they will lessen the demolition pressures in the downtown. At the same time, several buildings have been leased to developers who plan to turn them into condos, fancy hotels and modern office buildings.

Provided the restorations are conducted well, many buildings stand to be saved. But for the YHT, established in 2012, saving a few iconic buildings at the expense of the rest is not a solution. “It’s one organism,” Mann said of downtown Yangon. “The heritage significance is the buildings as a collection, the way that they relate to each other as a cityscape.”

Over the past two years, YHT has conducted a detailed inventory of Yangon’s heritage buildings and helped draft new regulations to set up a register of heritage properties and a commission to administer them. But even with the legal framework in place, Mann said another challenge is to make sure the buildings are utilized in such a way that their preservation is economically sustainable. Then there is the legacy of Myanmar’s military dictatorship – the lack of transparency and communication between the various government bodies involved in urban planning.

Still, he remains cautiously optimistic. If it acts quickly, Yangon still has the potential to create a “world-class downtown heritage zone” that would be unique in Asia. “Knowing what to do and how to do it is not the complicated thing at all. It’s whether the authorities here have the political will to change the way they operate,” Mann said. “If it’s managed well they can have a modern city, as well as an entirely unique city.”

Personally, I hope a lot of these colonial era building eras, save for a few iconic ones, get torn down. The people who are romantic about them probably never had to inhabit one of them. My grandmother's office was in one of these buildings that was eventually torn down. It may have looked retro from the outside but the inside was completely dilapidated. It was probably a lot cheaper to tear it down and start anew than to go about restoring it. There's a 20 storey there now that looks a lot better and no doubt cleaner from the inside.
 
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Indian conquering of North East is a big tragedy for Sino-Tibetan. Indian got that piece of land by playing Hitler. They come inside to conduct rape. Today places like Manipur has the most serious HIV problem in India.

And there are incident where Indian army fired rounds into innocent woman vagina after raping her, to increase their own orgasm. Indian army can rape and walk free just by accusing the victim as terrorist.

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Indian conquering of North East is a big tragedy for Sino-Tibetan. Indian got that piece of land by playing Hitler. They come inside to conduct rape. Today places like Manipur has the most serious HIV problem in India.

And there are incident where Indian army fired rounds into innocent woman vagina after raping her, to increase their own orgasm. Indian army can rape and walk free just by accusing the victim as terrorist.

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That's tragic but is irrelevant for Myanmar.
 
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That's tragic but is irrelevant for Myanmar.

BTW how is the project of national integration. There is hardly any news out, but from limited sources, I reckon Myanmese government has more or less success in unifying the country.

As time goes by, Burmese state will be more centralize instead of fragmenting.

Would like to hear your opinion.
 
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BTW how is the project of national integration. There is hardly any news out, but from limited sources, I reckon Myanmese government has more or less success in unifying the country.

As time goes by, Burmese state will be more centralize instead of fragmenting.

Would like to hear your opinion.

Yeah, pretty much. The buzzword right now is 'federalism' and they are talking about 'Pinlon 2'; a revised union charter of the one from 1947. In my opinion, a lot of these ethnic leaders prolong the conflict because it adds to their power base. I swear the main reason a lot of these guys are still fighting is so that they can come down to Yangon in their SUVs and patronise the various karaoke parlours during "peace talks". It's a shame the Kachin group started up again after such a long period of peace but once their leaders have enough economic concessions they'll give up. Like I linked at the beginning of the thread, the Rohingya solution has already been decided upon. The rest will eventually form up into a quasi-federalist union and the question of ethnic representation will forever be put to bed.
 
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