Myanmar General Discussion (non military)

[Reashot Xigwin]

There were no immigration laws in the 14th century but there were immigration controls in the 19th century. However, the British came in then and brought Bengali coolies with them. This is the first wave.

The bulk of them came in the early 70's after the Bangladesh independence war. This is the second wave. This is why the article mentioned the law passed in 1982 which was in reaction to this. This law was coincidental to a military operation called 'Naga Min' whose objective was to purge the West of Islamists who were trying to fight for a separatist Islamic state. Do you think this is the work of 14th century muslims?

Notice the last part of the article I posted:

This is why the Rohingya situation is beyond critical.

& your government caused it. This would never have happened if you guys just accept them.

 

[alaungphaya]

& your government caused it. This would never have happened if you guys just accept them.

It would be acceptable to accept them if they were capable of co-existing with the Arakanese of Arakan. What never gets reported is the extent of violence Rohingya commit upon on Arakanese. This is therefore not possible. There are millions of integrated muslims in Myanmar but these Bengali "Rohingya" cannot be integrated in current numbers.

The Rakhine Buddhists feel squeezed between the majority Burmans to the east, and Muslim- majority Bangladesh to the west. They also feel left out of international humanitarian aid, which goes mainly to the Rohingya.

Source: Myanmar General Discussion (non military) | Page 11

My sympathy is for the Arakanese (Rakhine). They are victimised in the own land.

 

[TopCat]

It would be acceptable to accept them if they were capable of co-existing with the Arakanese of Arakan. What never gets reported is the extent of violence Rohingya commit upon on Arakanese. This is therefore not possible. There are millions of integrated muslims in Myanmar but these Bengali "Rohingya" cannot be integrated in current numbers.
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Why it is not reported? Seems like it is the other way around.

 

[alaungphaya]

Why it is not reported? Seems like it is the other way around.

Ask the international media.

 

[TopCat]

There were no immigration laws in the 14th century but there were immigration controls in the 19th century. However, the British came in then and brought Bengali coolies with them. This is the first wave.

The bulk of them came in the early 70's after the Bangladesh independence war. This is the second wave. This is why the article mentioned the law passed in 1982 which was in reaction to this. This law was coincidental to a military operation called 'Naga Min' whose objective was to purge the West of Islamists who were trying to fight for a separatist Islamic state. Do you think this is the work of 14th century muslims?

Notice the last part of the article I posted:



This is why the Rohingya situation is beyond critical.

Rohingyas are not coolies to start with. They are permanent settlers and the main occupations are farming. You are an idiot to start with.

There is no immigration in 1970, rather you threw more than 250,000 people out of their own home in 1978 when our troops had to cross the border and taught you the lesson. 1982 laws brought in after you took them back after heavy beating. If you really meant the law then you should had taken the refugee back in the first place.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

It would be acceptable to accept them if they were capable of co-existing with the Arakanese of Arakan. What never gets reported is the extent of violence Rohingya commit upon on Arakanese. This is therefore not possible. There are millions of integrated muslims in Myanmar but these Bengali "Rohingya" cannot be integrated in current numbers.

Am I suppose to take integration advice from you? I'm an actual minority so I think I know more about this sort of things than you:

It would be acceptable to accept them if they were capable of co-existing with the Arakanese of Arakan

Did you know this BS statement has been the mainstay of bigots since like forever & it has been proven false every time.

Before the "incidents" Rohingya has been living in relative peaceful coexistence with the Arakanese. So they were able to co-exist in the first place.

 

[alaungphaya]

Am I suppose to take integration advice from you? I'm an actual minority so I think I know more about this sort of things than you:

Did you know this BS statement has been the mainstay of bigots since like forever & it has been proven false every time.

Before the "incidents" Rohingya has been living in relative peaceful coexistence with the Arakanese. So they were able to co-exist in the first place.

I don't care about your personal situation.

If you think Arakanese lived in peace with Rohingya previous to this, then you are plain wrong. The current stance of the government is to show the Arakanese that they very much belong to the Union of Myanmar. I am part Arakanese.

Rohingyas are not coolies to start with. They are permanent settlers and the main occupations are farming. You are an idiot to start with.

There is no immigration in 1970, rather you threw more than 250,000 people out of their own home in 1978 when our troops had to cross the border and taught you the lesson. 1982 laws brought in after you took them back after heavy beating. If you really meant the law then you should had taken the refugee back in the first place.

- Yes they were coolies.

- No you didn't. The army crossed into Bangladesh before being repulsed. Fair enough. A war with Bangladesh was not the objective. The point was to clean out jihadi camps and that was successful.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

I don't care about your personal situation.

If you think Arakanese lived in peace with Rohingya previous to this, then you are plain wrong. The current stance of the government is to show the Arakanese that they very much belong to the Union of Myanmar. I am part Arakanese.

That's why I use the word relative, savvy? During personal interview some Arakanese actually employ Rohingya or Rohingya merchants operating in Rakhine market & etc. So there is some sort of relative coexistence going on.

No, the current stance pretty much show that Governments is just being a colossal dick. That does not even want to address the root of the problems which is the denial of Rohingya's human rights & citizenship & I'm part Dutch so what?

 

[alaungphaya]

That's why I use the word relative, savvy? During personal interview some Arakanese actually employ Rohingya or Rohingya merchants operating in Rakhine market & etc. So there is some sort of relative coexistence going on.

No, the current stance pretty much show that Governments is just being a colossal dick. That does not even want to address the root of the problems which is the denial of Rohingya's human rights & citizenship & I'm part Dutch so what?

The 2012 clashes are not the first incident of communal violence and nor will they be the last as long as the Rohingya are still in Arakan at present numbers. You seem to be under the mistaken impression that the Burman majority government is trying to incite the conflict when there is no incentive to do this.

My being part Arakanese is to show that my view is not simply that of a Burman imperialist and is relevant to this thread.

Your personal situation is irrelevant to me and this thread.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

The 2012 clashes are not the first incident of communal violence and nor will they be the last as long as the Rohingya are still in Arakan at present numbers. You seem to be under the mistaken impression that the Burman majority government is trying to incite the conflict when there is no incentive to do this.

My being part Arakanese is to show that my view is not simply that of a Burman imperialist and is relevant to this thread.

Your personal situation is irrelevant to me and this thread.

If you government actually does its jobs the Rohingya won't need to be put at the mercy or whims of the Majority Arakanese. Your government don't need to do anything, it never does anything and it never will it never care about any of you. Remember your precious Junta lost 9 million people in their tyrannical reign. Does that seem like a government that follow reason?

Rohingya have lived there for centuries if they don't like it tell them to go f' themselves. No one have any right to kick people from their home.

 

[alaungphaya]

I think we are on the verge of take-off for FDI but the primitive level of financial development is a real hurdle. And the government doesn't seem to want to loosen the reins too much.

http://blogs.wsj.com/privateequity/...ut-its-not-for-the-faint-hearted/?mod=WSJBlog
Myanmar Creates Buzz, But It’s Not For the Faint Hearted - Private Equity Beat - WSJ


Myanmar Creates Buzz, But It’s Not For the Faint Hearted

Myanmar is creating buzz among private equity investors looking to catch the first wave of deals in the frontier market as it develops its economy after years as a pariah state.

U.S. private equity firm TPG Capital made its first steps into the Southeast Asian country earlier this year when it injected capital into Apollo Towers and its operating unit Apollo Towers Myanmar, which provide telecommunications tower infrastructure. In a statement, Cleary Gottlieb Steen & Hamilton LLP, counsel to TPG, pegged the value of that transaction at $35 million.

The country’s appeal lies in its large population, government initiatives to encourage foreign investment and a strategic location close to India, China, Thailand and Vietnam, but the investment landscape can be riddled with challenges.

“Myanmar is not for the faint of heart,” said Tim Dattels, who co-heads TPG’s Asia operations.

Some market participants say a crucial hurdle is that small businesses are less mature there compared with their Asian counter- parts, meaning general partners may need to hold on to companies beyond a fund’s average holding period of roughly five years.

For this reason, Myanmar Investments International Ltd., an investment company listed on the London Stock Exchange, said a fixed-life private equity fund structure may be less suitable in Myanmar than an evergreen or perpetual structure.

“There are those companies which you’re likely to hold on for 10 to 15 years, and you don’t want an artificial gun to your head to exit them,” said Mike Dean, a co- founder of Myanmar Investments.

A healthy supply of deals is another benefit to investing in Myanmar, but the question remains: how will firms exit portfolio companies? The country is in the process of opening a stock exchange, which is slated for next October, but in general underdeveloped capital markets could give some private equity firms the jitters.

For more on the challenges and opportunities in Myanmar, check out this month’s issue of Private Equity Analyst.

Write to Sonja Cheung at sonja.cheung@wsj.com Follow her on Twitter @SonjaCheung

If you government actually does its jobs the Rohingya won't need to be put at the mercy or whims of the Majority Arakanese. Your government don't need to do anything, it never does anything and it never will it never care about any of you. Remember your precious Junta lost 9 million people in their tyrannical reign. Does that seem like a government that follow reason?

Rohingya have lived there for centuries if they don't like it tell them to go f' themselves. No one have any right to kick people from their home.

In the real world, people don't just live in peace in prosperity happily ever after and you can't just tell people to go f*** themselves.

 

[alaungphaya]

President O'Burma is coming back! for the 2014 East Asian Summit.

Tight security for ASEAN Summit

Tight security for ASEAN Summit
Written by Win Ko Ko Latt Published in Myanmar Read 807 times

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Security will be tight for the 25th ASEAN Summit 2014. Members of the Myanmar police force Bomb Squad Team patrol the compound of 22nd World Economic Forum in Nay Pyi Taw, June 26, 2013. Photo: Nyein Chan Naing/EPA
Nay Pyi Taw - Tens of thousands of police will be assigned security duty at the 25th ASEAN Summit 2014 to be attended by US President Barack Obama at the Myanmar International Convention Centre (1) in Nay Pyi Taw on November 11 and 12, an official of the Myanmar Police Force told Mizzima on October 26.

Police Brigadier-General Soe Myaing, head of the Transnational Crime Department, said tens of thousands of police will be assigned during the upcoming ASEAN Summit, to be attended by the presidents and prime ministers of ASEAN countries, adding that security measures will be taken at the summit venue and cooperation will sought with Interpol for an exchange of information.

Police servicemen have been trained to take security measures at border gates, airports and river and sea ports, he said.

Police Brigadier-General Soe Myaing said that not only will police of the 10 police security branches from Nay Pyi Taw take part but also units from other regions will be deployed to ensure the security of the summit.

Four security squads are currently on night patrol in eight townships of Nay Pyi Taw Council Area, according to an officer of the Nay Pyi Taw Police Corps speaking on October 24.

He said a police and a military column from Shwekyabin area of Nay Pyi Taw patrol the city every night.

He noted that the US President’s trip to Myanmar is very important in light of the ongoing actions by US military forces against the insurgent group Islamic State in the Middle East.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

In the real world, people don't just live in peace in prosperity happily ever after and you can't just tell people to go f*** themselves.

I'm asking your government at the very least to admit they exist and respect them for it. Unlike the other British migrants this one actually have historical & cultural roots to them.

 

[TopCat]

Syringes are now currency in heroin-addicted Myanmar

BANGKOK — Along parts of the Myanmar-China border, where heroin addiction is appallingly common, fresh needles are now so coveted that shopkeepers dispense them as change.

Myanmar's unruly hinterlands are in the grips of what may be Asia's worst heroin epidemic — a scourge widely ignored by the rest of the world.

The country is one of Asia's most dysfunctional and war-torn nations. Its currency is so debased that clerks offer tissues, cigarettes or candy in lieu of notes worth 5 or 10 cents. Many customers rightly prefer a few mints or smokes to worthless, stained, taped-up bills.

But in the heroin scourge's heartland — along highways leading to Muse, a busy border town abutting China — some roadside shops also dole out clean needles as an alternative unit of currency.

That detail is buried in a report called "Silent Offensive," by the Kachin Women's Association of Thailand, which monitors abuses in Myanmar's remote borderland states of Shan and Kachin.

The report notes that many gas stations also make change using bottles of sterile water, which addicts draw into syringes to turn powdered heroin into an injectable liquid.

Within the region, heroin is potent and cheap. A single dose can sell for as little as $1. Large swaths of Myanmar's northern jungles are controlled by guerrilla armies, many of them now allied with the central government. These quasi-lawless hills churn out almost all of Asia's heroin. Only Afghanistan produces more opium, heroin's key ingredient.

GlobalPost's award-winning investigation of the epidemic turned up communities where heroin is sold as openly as vegetables. In Kachin State's capital of Myitkyina, needles are strewn in the fields, on the streets and on the local university's campus. In the internet cafes, patrons are warned not to shoot up while checking e-mail.

The Kachin Baptist Convention, an influential local Christian network claiming nearly half a million parishioners, offers this horrifying estimate: 80% of youth in Kachin State are drug addicts.

"Where we live, police can barely reach us. So people make up the law themselves," said Esther, 61, in a previous interview with GlobalPost. She's the founder of an anti-drug vigilante group near Muse, where syringes are traded as currency.

"In many villages, every home contains an addict," Esther said. "We all have personal tragedies. My husband and son got hooked and sold everything in the house — even bags of rice."

Addicts in this far-flung region often check in to jungle detox camps, run by evangelical Christians, where they are locked in cages during the throes of withdrawal. Without restraint, addicts will run off and score more heroin, said James Naw, an ex-addict turned rehab counselor in Kachin State. During withdrawal, he said, "The world is a blur. Even the breeze hurts. You'll do anything for more."

In recent years, Myanmar has been depicted as a success story — a totalitarian backwater struggling to become a freer society, with White House backing. But these bright hopes are disconnected from scenes in its untamed borderlands. There, insurgency has endured for decades, and guerrilla forces accuse the government of genocide by heroin.

Syringes are now currency in heroin-addicted Myanmar

 

[LeveragedBuyout]

Myanmar’s Opposition Leader and Military Chief Hold Unprecedented Talks | The Diplomat

Myanmar's Opposition Leader and Military Chief Hold Unprecedented Talks
Myanmar’s prominent opposition leader Aung San Suu Kyi and its military chief held talks for the first time.

By Ankit Panda
October 31, 2014

In an unprecedented move, Myanmar’s reformist president, Thein Sein, flanked by several military leaders, including military chief Min Aung Hlaing, took part in talks with Myanmar’s opposition leader and prominent pro-democracy activist Aung San Suu Kyi on Friday. The talks were the first time Suu Kyi and Min Aung Hlaing met and represent a potential move towards deliberative democracy after years of military rule. The country will head to the polls in 2015 to elect a new government after years of gradual political reform under Thein Sein. Myanmar has been under direct rule by a military junta for nearly 50 years.

The meeting between Thein Sein and Suu Kyi comes on the heels of U.S. President Barack Obama calling for “inclusive and credible” elections in Myanmar during separate phone calls with the two politicians. Obama will visit Myanmar for the East Asia Summit in mid-November, and used his phone call with Thein Sein to stress the importance of addressing the deteriorating humanitarian situation facing Myanmar’s minority Muslims in the country’s western state of Rakhine. Myanmar’s Rakhine State has been gripped by communal violence between ethnic Rakhine Buddhists and Rohingya Muslims, resulting in 200 deaths and over 14,000 internally displaced people.

So far, few details have been released about the substance of Thein Sein and Suu Kyi’s meeting, but they are likely to broadly focus on the country’s political reform process. Regardless, the mere fact that Suu Kyi is being included in talks with the current president before the election speaks to the extent to which the upcoming 2015 elections may represent the first mature democratic elections in Myanmar. During the last general election in 2010, there were widespread accusations of electoral fraud orchestrated by the Union Solidarity and Development Party (USDP, Thein Sein’s party). Suu Kyi was still under house arrest then, and her party — the National League for Democracy (NLD) — was excluded entirely.

Suu Kyi remains ineligible to run for the presidency due to a constitutional provision barring candidates with foreign spouses or children running for the presidency; her late husband and son are both British citizens. The NLD continues to seek a constitutional amendment to change this provision in the interest of having Suu Kyi contest the presidency. Suu Kyi has publicly declared her interest in running for the presidency. She will likely push the issue of a constitutional amendment with Thein Sein. Myanmar’s general election remains a year away and is expected to take place in late October or early November 2015.

Suu Kyi, who is a member of parliament after her party won a majority of the contested seats in the 2012 by-elections, will almost certainly play a major role in the post-election scenario in 2015. According to most predictions, the NLD is expected to win a significant number of seats in the legislature. Thein Sein himself confirmed late last year that he would not stand for election in 2015. Instead, Shwe Mann will run as the candidate for the USDP.

According to the Associated Press, critics of the talks claim that they represent an attempt by the government to put up appearances of democratic progress ahead of the East Asia Summit in less than a month. Details of what was covered in the talks are expected to emerge over the next day.