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[Galactic Penguin SST]

Myanmar Set-2 to be launched this month and Myanmar Aeronautics and Space Administration(MASA) ?????
https://www.mmbiztoday.com/articles/myanmar-s-reaches-high-satellite-plan

https://archive.fo/rAhCi/9d0c8a8b891cb04e326cf18c5d31d4ef75c4bd35.png ; https://archive.fo/rAhCi/212a0f68058b11c4b586a3af08fdb3c08dfbeebd/scr.png ; http://web.archive.org/web/20190913214309/https://i.imgur.com/87MUvnt.png ; http://web.archive.org/web/20190913...e Symposium 2016 Bali Indonesia Session 4.pdf ; http://archive.fo/GVtIl
▲ 1. Second step and Third step.


Step 2

Myanmar Satellite-2 launched into space

2019-08-08

YANGON, Aug. 8 (Xinhua) -- Myanmar Satellite-2, which was launched into space in French Guiana Wednesday, will provide better connectivity across Myanmar, even in remote areas, an official of Transports and Communications Ministry told Xinhua on Thursday.

The Myanmar Sat-2 will provide faster connectivity and high-speed rates not only for mobile internet but also other communication networks across the country, said U Win Aung, chief engineer of Information Technology and Cyber Security Department under the ministry.

The operation of the satellite will start after some practical tests in October this year.

Conveyed by Intelsat 39, the Myanmar Sat-2 was launched into space from French service provider Arianespace's Space Port in French Guiana.

"The launch of Myanmar Sat-2 is aimed at providing 95 percent of people in the country with better communication, healthcare services and education under the country's e-government program," official media said, quoting U Soe Thein, permanent secretary of ministry of transport and communication.

With latest technologies, the Myanmar Sat-2 will be able to offer communication services that are 8 to 10 times faster than its precursor Myanmar Sat-1, he added.

Myanmar signed a memorandum of understanding with Intelsat Corporation in 2018 for building Myanmar Sat-2.

http://web.archive.org/web/20190913...huanet.com/english/2019-08/08/c_138293830.htm
http://archive.is/Zbebp
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Step 3

Space programme polarizes approach worldwide

Many countries are concentrating state investment on the space industry with projects for the development of outer space gaining strength internationally.

Russian President Putin, in a recent Security Council meeting, stressed the need to implement the basic state policy on space development by 2030, adding that it is important to take the initiative in this field in order to carry out the national development programme, ensure the security of the country and gain the competitive edge of technology.

Not only China and Russia but also many other countries are jumping on the bandwagon for the research and development of outer space.

Iran is pushing ahead with preparations to send up a new satellite into orbit.

India successfully put into space an unmanned spacecraft for moon exploration last July.

Myanmar is also channelling national efforts into space development in the wake of mapping out a plan for launching its own satellite.

Amid brisk activities for the development of outer space for peaceful purposes on a worldwide scale, risky moves to militarize outer space are getting more pronounced.

The US, which made public a plan for organizing a space force in August last year, has set a goal of founding it as an independent service by 2020. The US president gave an instruction to the Defense Department to draft a bill on organizing the space force.

A dominationist space policy designed to gain military supremacy in outer space was newly approved at a meeting of defence ministers of NATO, which was held in Brussels of Belgium last June.

In September, the French government gave approval to a decision on establishing the space command under the air force.

Japan also announced its plan to build a special space unit and decided to set up a new type of occupation related to outer space in the Self-Defence Forces as a practical measure.

Meanwhile, a new version of Star Wars plan is being spread on the international arena which aims to intercept all ballistic missiles at the early stage of launch by establishing a low-orbit missile defence system.

Saying that growing international moves for space development slowly trigger a space arms race, experts are of the opinion that outer space will be turned into a battlefield when more and more nations thrust themselves into militarizing outer space in the future.

http://www.pyongyangtimes.com.kp/?bbs=31354
http://web.archive.org/web/20190913215005/http://www.pyongyangtimes.com.kp/?bbs=31354
http://archive.fo/CTjtc
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Myanmar Earth Observation Micro Satellite Program

•Satellite Committees were formed by the Government of Myanmar

Myanmar Satellite System Steering Committee

Chaired by Vice President 1
Members of 11 Union Ministers and
1 Permanent Secretory of Communications was assigned a Secretory of Committee.

•Myanmar Satellite System Working Committee
Chaired by Union Minister for Ministry of Transport and Communications
...
Steering Committee approved to launch a national satellite for earth observation.

•Status of Earth Observation Micro Satellite

Rector of Myanma Aerospace Engineering University was appointed as a chairman of Myanmar Satellite System Technical Sub-committee

Launching of EOS (Earth Observation Satellite) program was discussed in the meeting of Satellite Technical Sub-Committee.

Myanma Aerospace Engineering University cooperated with Hokkaido University for the project.

Satellite Department under Ministry of Transport and Communications will establish a project. Department was trying to get the O D A ( Official Development Assistance) Loans for the Project

http://www.unoosa.org/documents/doc..._vienna/Presentations/Session3_4_Win_Aung.pdf
http://web.archive.org/web/20190913..._vienna/Presentations/Session3_4_Win_Aung.pdf
http://archive.fo/wPl8R#selection-56.0-56.1

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▲ 2. Myanmar Earth Observation Micro Satellite Program

 

[MINN]

The Su57 is getting out of hand
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/b...7e-stealth-fighter-another-country-asia-80571

 

[tarpitz]

The Su57 is getting out of hand
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/b...7e-stealth-fighter-another-country-asia-80571

Wow

 

[Devilduck]

The Su57 is getting out of hand
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/b...7e-stealth-fighter-another-country-asia-80571

They mentioned there is not much price difference between Su30 and su57.
So in terms of performance will it be able to perform as advertised?
I personally do not think it is a lucritive purchase for a country like us.
This is getting very interesting.

 

[Tagaung]

The Su57 is getting out of hand
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/b...7e-stealth-fighter-another-country-asia-80571

the national interest is a reliable source of information, bro. Is it mean, is MAF seriously considering for Su-57?
but still, it is too good to be true. but it is not impossible.

the Burmese ambassador word,
"We would like to buy not only Su-30 fighters, but also next-generation aircraft, of course, if Russia wants to sell them,",

In my opinion, we won't necessarily need Russia permission for buying Su-34 or Su-35, since they let us buy
Su-30SM. but for Su-57 we might need Russia permission. it is just my opinion,bro.

 

[Aung Zaya]

the national interest is a reliable source of information, bro. Is it mean, is MAF seriously considering for Su-57?
but still, it is too good to be true. but it is not impossible.

the Burmese ambassador word,
"We would like to buy not only Su-30 fighters, but also next-generation aircraft, of course, if Russia wants to sell them,",

In my opinion, we won't necessarily need Russia permission for buying Su-34 or Su-35, since they let us buy
Su-30SM. but for Su-57 we might need Russia permission. it is just my opinion,bro.

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no. even if possible why do we need to buy these plane. ? we dont need advanced fighters just for showing off. Hey we have Su-57.. that is! ! what we need is a good COIN planes which can support our frontline forces whatever they need without need to consider about the operation cost. not advanced air superiority fighter. on the other hand, our frontline forces are poor equipped. as i said earlier it is time look back our troops. i would rather want Su-25.

 

[MINN]

no. even if possible why do we need to buy these plane. ? we dont need advanced fighters just for showing off. Hey we have Su-57.. that is! ! what we need is a good COIN planes which can support our frontline forces whatever they need without need to consider about the operation cost. not advanced air superiority fighter. on the other hand, our frontline forces are poor equipped. as i said earlier it is time look back our troops. i would rather want Su-25.

or SU 34

 

[TheEunch]

no. even if possible why do we need to buy these plane. ? we dont need advanced fighters just for showing off. Hey we have Su-57.. that is!! what we need is a good COIN planes which can support our frontline forces whatever they need without need to consider about the operation cost. not advanced air superiority fighter. on the other hand, our frontline forces are poor equipped. as i said earlier it is time look back our troops. i would rather want Su-25.

yes it is about time we give some love to the army and not just the navy and Air Force

 

[Devilduck]

no. even if possible why do we need to buy these plane. ? we dont need advanced fighters just for showing off. Hey we have Su-57.. that is! ! what we need is a good COIN planes which can support our frontline forces whatever they need without need to consider about the operation cost. not advanced air superiority fighter. on the other hand, our frontline forces are poor equipped. as i said earlier it is time look back our troops. i would rather want Su-25.

Also FTC2000Gs are rumored to replace F7s and G4 sokos. Man i have no idea what is going on. Its time to invest in battle proven platform since the performance of those chinese budget toys are questionable.
Maybe we can retire few squadrons of F7s and A5s and replace with something reliable like su25 just like what u guys mentioned.
Mig29 are being upgraded slowly so they will do good for few more years and su30 will be in our arsenal soon so in terms of air to air we are good to go.
What we need is good battle proven CAS platform.

 

[MINN]

Also FTC2000Gs are rumored to replace F7s and G4 sokos. Man i have no idea what is going on. Its time to invest in battle proven platform since the performance of those chinese budget toys are questionable.
Maybe we can retire few squadrons of F7s and A5s and replace with something reliable like su25 just like what u guys mentioned.
Mig29 are being upgraded slowly so they will do good for few more years and su30 will be in our arsenal soon so in terms of air to air we are good to go.
What we need is good battle proven CAS platform.

Building our owne rotary aircraft for CAS will be fine.

Also FTC2000Gs are rumored to replace F7s and G4 sokos. Man i have no idea what is going on. Its time to invest in battle proven platform since the performance of those chinese budget toys are questionable.
Maybe we can retire few squadrons of F7s and A5s and replace with something reliable like su25 just like what u guys mentioned.
Mig29 are being upgraded slowly so they will do good for few more years and su30 will be in our arsenal soon so in terms of air to air we are good to go.
What we need is good battle proven CAS platform.

could it be that they are trying to replace the JL8 with the JL9

 

[rapster88]

MAF Mi-35 in action from recent Kukkai skirmishes.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=2360016340879488

Agree to this. Imagine the operation cost of SU 57 even if the rumors are true.

Need a good and proven bird to beat the sh*t outta degenerates in the front lines.

no. even if possible why do we need to buy these plane. ? we dont need advanced fighters just for showing off. Hey we have Su-57.. that is! ! what we need is a good COIN planes which can support our frontline forces whatever they need without need to consider about the operation cost. not advanced air superiority fighter. on the other hand, our frontline forces are poor equipped. as i said earlier it is time look back our troops. i would rather want Su-25.

 

[tarpitz]

Building our owne rotary aircraft for CAS will be fine.


could it be that they are trying to replace the JL8 with the JL9

I don't think MAF will replace G 4. We have more than enough K 8W and another batch of 6-12 K 8W are going to be inducted very soon.

Some of the K8W are already converted for COIN roles. (K 8W with Blue cammo)

Many of our MiG 29 are upgraded and now they are capable of launchng Kh 31A anti ship missile, Kh 31P anti radiation missiles, KAB 500L laser guided bombs and KAB 500Kr TV guided bombs.

MAF have already received significant amounts of Kh 31A, Kh 31P, Kab 500L and Kab 500Kr from Russian since 2015.

Both Kab 500L and Kr are already tested against AA rebels in early April this year.

Yak 130 are also being used for CAS role in recent operations. They also used Kab 500 series guided bombs in some operations.

More importantly we have a full sqd of JF 17 block2 with chinese guided munitions.

First batch of Su 30 will also be ready by 2020 and another 6 birds will come into effect on 2022.

My point is that we don't need any COIN fighters for future.

For Su 57, you guys are right that we don't need them right now. But we may need them in the future .... may be 2025 or so. And Russia will not be able to export until 2025.

Our defence modernization programme are not a threat based it is rather an effect based.

In 2010, we have just 12 Mig 29. But now we have . .
31 × MiG 29 (Most of them are upgraded)
12 × JF 17 Block 2
12 × Yak 130
12 × Su 30SME

In just 10 years we grew too fast. The best part is that now we have anti ship, BVR and stand off capabilites.

So I wont be surprised that MAF got Su 57E before 2030.

 

[Nike]

I don't think MAF will replace G 4. We have more than enough K 8W and another batch of 6-12 K 8W are going to be inducted very soon.

Some of the K8W are already converted for COIN roles. (K 8W with Blue cammo)

Many of our MiG 29 are upgraded and now they are capable of launchng Kh 31A anti ship missile, Kh 31P anti radiation missiles, KAB 500L laser guided bombs and KAB 500Kr TV guided bombs.

MAF have already received significant amounts of Kh 31A, Kh 31P, Kab 500L and Kab 500Kr from Russian since 2015.

Both Kab 500L and Kr are already tested against AA rebels in early April this year.

Yak 130 are also being used for CAS role in recent operations. They also used Kab 500 series guided bombs in some operations.

More importantly we have a full sqd of JF 17 block2 with chinese guided munitions.

First batch of Su 30 will also be ready by 2020 and another 6 birds will come into effect on 2022.

My point is that we don't need any COIN fighters for future.

For Su 57, you guys are right that we don't need them right now. But we may need them in the future .... may be 2025 or so. And Russia will not be able to export until 2025.

Our defence modernization programme are not a threat based it is rather an effect based.

In 2010, we have just 12 Mig 29. But now we have . .
31 × MiG 29 (Most of them are upgraded)
12 × JF 17 Block 2
12 × Yak 130
12 × Su 30SME

In just 10 years we grew too fast. The best part is that now we have anti ship, BVR and stand off capabilites.

So I wont be surprised that MAF got Su 57E before 2030.View attachment 579519

Almost the same with us, in the last ten years our Air force grow at unprecedented pace since 1960, starting from 2012 we got ten Su 30 MKK, 24 F 16, 16 T 50, 16 Super Tucano and ordering 11 Su 35 and we are in the process to retiring our F 5 and long retired our 32 A4 skyhawk in 2008-2010. Wish Myanmar and Indonesia can do join excercise like what we do with Thailand and Singapore.

 

[TheEunch]

In my opinion we should start looking at options at replacing our t72s since the t72 is an Aging platform. Maybe the t90s or even t14s? Who knows. The MA series of the galil rifles are pretty old too and since there are no plans for the QBZ copy to replace the MAs as frontline rifles, shld look into other rifle options..either from Israel or Russia with the Ak2000 or 3000 series or even Ukraine with the Mamlyuk bull pup AK rifles. It’s a good thing we are now gonna produce our own BTR4Us but what about a dedicated IFV? We don’t seem to have those yet. Maybe even converting our t72s into BMPTs like they did in Russia if we do plan to retire them. Next we need to look at replacing our Chinese tank destroyers with our own ones or Russian made ones since we all know the reliability of Chinese arms. Heck even the Naung yoe Jeep does not offer the same protection as a uparmored humvee(GMC one or the Chinese clone) or even the Russian GAZ tigr.

we also need to look back on how well equipped our individual soldier is also. Up till now we do not have NIJIII vests let alone NIJIV vests for our SOTF. The camo patterns are still lacking. Soldiers still don’t wear their full gear for frontline duties and we don’t even have proper bags and are using wicker baskets!

our commander in chief says he wants to build a professional army and I get that looks always don’t matter. But if there are some minor changes, we could make our army look professional and not be a laughing stock. Hell even some of the South Korean guys are still wearing the ballistic fibre M1 helmets but they still look professional.

 

[TheEunch]

Speaking of the Air Force how about the harbin Z20s for Transport helicopters instead of like the mi17s?

Mi35 and mi24 and maybe mi28ne for Attack choppers and the Harbins for transporting troops

And the CAIC Z10? There is only a million dollar difference in the two units and the CAIC Z10 is also codeveloped with Kamov of Russia.

Or the Z-19

The mil 17 can fulfil a heavy lift and heavy carrier role while the Harbin Z20 can fulfil a more medium transport role like that of the Huey or the MI24s