Myanmar Defence Forum

[Aung Zaya]

It's a UDMC

So just a thought could the submarine that we are going to buy in the future be a Amur Class because it is cheaper than Kilo and newer.

no. kilo will come. ming will be gifted by china too.

 

[Nilgiri]

no. kilo will come. ming will be gifted by china too.

Is myanmar sub base nearby to yangon area?

 

[MINN]

Is myanmar sub base nearby to yangon area?

Do we even have a sub base yet

 

[Aung Zaya]

Do we even have a sub base yet

Is myanmar sub base nearby to yangon area?

under construction in one of our islands. bro almost finish.

 

[MINN]

Sub training
https://www.theweek.in/news/india/2...t-vizag-to-train-in-submarine-operations.html
It mention building OPVs in India and training MI 35 Pilots

 

[TheEunch]

It's a UDMC

So just a thought could the submarine that we are going to buy in the future be a Amur Class because it is cheaper than Kilo and newer.

Is this the UDMC m4 rifle that UDMC was talking about on their website about some technology exchange in Myanmar. If so we can produce our own M4 rifles now?

And it is cool to see SOTF now using plate carriers, m4 rifles, ACH type helmets and sometimes even show up with fast core type helmets.

https://www.udmc-weapons.com/news-events/2017/2/11/united-defense-mfg-corp-breaks-the-barrier

For the first time, the Myanmar Army used their UDMC rifles and carbines in the recent ASEAN Armies Rifle Meet (AARM) held in Camp O’Donnell, Capas, Tarlac last December 2016 to improve their standing in the AARM, particularly in the Falling Plates Match where they bagged Silver placing second to the 2015 overall champion Thailand Army. Watch the Myanmar Army perform once again next year in the AARM as they gain more experience on their UDMC rifles.

Prior to this, Myanmar had been scouting for military grade rifle makers that can produce rifles that deliver better performance particularly in the aspect of ACCURACY. The Philippines-based firm responded by making its rifles---the F5-DGIS and F5-PVAR--- available for the selection process, for use by the Myanmar Army in the AARM.

The Myanmar Army had subjected the UDMC rifles---the M16 format 5.56 NATO F5's--- to rigorous selection process on the basis of safety, reliability and accuracy.

Former UDMC Vice President International and now Sgt-at-Arms of the House of Representatives, retired Army Lt General Roland Detabali together with retired Major Philip Manlapaz, weapons and security consultant of Anflo-Tadeco have brought UDMC rifles to the selection process in Myanmar in 2014 and spent sometime in Nay Pyi Taw demonstrating the quality of UDMC rifles.

“The Myanmar Army is very thorough in the tests that they had conducted, they wanted absolute reliability and accuracy which our rifles can definitely deliver,” Detabali said.

Cariño said they had also proposed to the Myanmar Army to put up a manufacturing plant in Myanmar under a “Build Operate and Transfer Technology Program” and bring UDMC technology to that country.

UDMC is a 100 percent Filipino-owned privately-held corporation, research-based rifles manufacturer that produces both the DGIS direct gas impingment system and has also engineered and improved on the design of the M4 and M16 by incorporating their patented PVAR piston driven system that combines the strengths of the AK-47 and the M16. UDMC has developed their own Technical Data Package using design and programming softwares from Dassault Systèmes of France.

Detabali and Manlapaz are Army Scout Rangers and had participated either as member or commander, during their respective time in service with the Philippine Army, in the annual ASEAN Armies Rifle Meet (AARM). They are military veterans in conflicts with various threat groups in the Philippines.

“Having a rifle that could deliver rounds to the target with maximum reliability and accuracy and with consistency is a cutting edge in the battlefield…We all know that from our combat experiences,” Manlapaz said.

UDMC rifles a few years ago passed the rigorous tests and evaluations conducted by the Philippine Army Research and Development Center, The Philippine Army Marksmanship Training Center, the Philippine Navy Special Operations Group (SEAL), the Philippine Air Force SPOW and the PNP Special Action Force for its safety, reliability and accuracy. Today, it has supplied and/or about to supply the needs of our AFP, notably the Philippine Army which also used 20 UDMC rifles in the AARM to bag 71 medals, an awesome feat from only 4 medals in 2015 when they were using other foreign made “match grade” barrels on their Colt rifles. UDMC has also received a Notice of Award and a Notice to Proceed to supply the requirements of the Presidential Security Group in protecting our highly popular President Rodrigo Duterte. The Philippine Air Force will also be supplied by UDMC next quarter of this year.

In the meantime, UDMC is developing a new model of carbines specific to the rigorous requirements for SPEED and ACCURACY of the Philippine Army in the ASEAN Armies Rifle Meet. Watch this carbine model in the next AARM.

For years, UDMC rifles had also been relied upon by American and British maritime security contractors led by the Trident Group (U.S.) and Infinite Security Solutions (U.K.) in protecting international shipping against pirates prowling the Gulf of Aden and the Indian Ocean. Both companies are composed of former Navy SEALs in their respective militaries.

Aside from the caliber 5.56 NATO rifles and carbines, UDMC also produces the 7.62 NATO semi-automatic precision rifles. They will be launching next month their 7.62 BLK rifles.


This is the article that I'm talking about

 

[Tagaung]

INS Sindhuvir (S58) undergoing refit at Hindustan Shipyard Ltd (HSL) before being transferred to the charge of the Myanmar Navy.

Dude, that is not INS Sindhuvir(S58). that is INS Sindhukirti (S61). It is from an article from Nov 6, 2014.

Article source:
https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...vizag-yard-after-refit/slideshow/45055790.cms

BY the way, I gotta ask. Did you really post this incorrect submarine image just to diss us or was it your insecurity or jealousy?

Here is a real photo of INS Sindhuvir(58).

 

[The Ronin]

Dude, that is not INS Sindhuvir(S58). that is INS Sindhukirti (S61). It is from an article from Nov 6, 2014.

Article source:
https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...vizag-yard-after-refit/slideshow/45055790.cms

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Here is a real photo of INS Sindhuvir(58).

View attachment 572083

Oh, sorry. I found it in a page.

BY the way, I gotta ask. Did you really post this incorrect submarine image just to diss us or was it your insecurity or jealousy?

 

[Tagaung]

great news, the coming sub will be fitted with all original armament including Klub-S missile and Strela-3 SAM.
And there will be more submarines to come to Myanmar navy.

Source;

https://www.bbc.com/burmese/burma-49194185

Oh, sorry. I found it in a page.

 

[The Ronin]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=2070337783276115

 

[Thiha the Lion]

Subs would strengthen Myanmar maritime defence and would even serve to project power.
Many Thanks to our Indian friends for their great support in creating the force.

Historically speaking, Andaman sea was the only point from where complete invasion of Myanmar was ever possible by the British. though it was not the only front being breached . Much effort was needed to dislodge Portugese from Syriam in 1610s before the British too.

As long as the current map of Myanmar do not change, geographical barriers and North-to-South extension enable us the malaria-infested strategic depth which made the even mighty Mongols retreated , and Qing troops being cut off and annihilated in four Sino-Burmese wars. The landing straight onto Delta-Yangon-Bago is the only door to farther inland with viable line of supplies by the sea and air. This will cut off the Tanintharyi too .

Do we have anti-ship missiles and SAMs there on some of the Coco islands and some of the westernmost Myeik islands . Airstrips too ?.
( should have , but only on some strategic ones , i would definitely oppose the militarization of whole archiplego as I would rather see most of it as vacation islands than restricted access )
Military bases and holiday hotspots can co-exist too
They would serve as the first line of defence ( great maritime wall of Myanmar or immovable carrier groups or whatever we call it ) .
Combination of island bases and subs in the basin would be such deterrence to any adversaries .

Please excuse my ignorance if it had been done already.

 

[MINN]

Subs would strengthen Myanmar maritime defence and would even serve to project power.
Many Thanks to our Indian friends for their great support in creating the force.

Historically speaking, Andaman sea was the only point from where complete invasion of Myanmar was ever possible by the British. though it was not the only front being breached . Much effort was needed to dislodge Portugese from Syriam in 1610s before the British too.

As long as the current map of Myanmar do not change, geographical barriers and North-to-South extension enable us the malaria-infested strategic depth which made the even mighty Mongols retreated , and Qing troops being cut off and annihilated in four Sino-Burmese wars. The landing straight onto Delta-Yangon-Bago is the only door to farther inland with viable line of supplies by the sea and air. This will cut off the Tanintharyi too .

Do we have anti-ship missiles and SAMs there on some of the Coco islands and some of the westernmost Myeik islands . Airstrips too ?.
( should have , but only on some strategic ones , i would definitely oppose the militarization of whole archiplego as I would rather see most of it as vacation islands than restricted access )
Military bases and holiday hotspots can co-exist too
They would serve as the first line of defence ( great maritime wall of Myanmar or immovable carrier groups or whatever we call it ) .
Combination of island bases and subs in the basin would be such deterrence to any adversaries .

Please excuse my ignorance if it had been done already.

following up on your point we need more amphibious capabilities. we need Amphibious Landing Docks. If possible Amphibious Assult Ships(Helicopter Carriers).for coastal defense S-400 would be nice for air defense. For anti-ship 3M-54 Kalibr or BrahMos.

 

[MINN]

ကိုရီးယားက ဟာကို ျပန္ဖ်က္ေပးပါ bro please

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More good news for MN.
135 m frigate will be launched on the Navy Day.
A Makassar class from ROK will also join MN on late 2019 or early 2020.

before you delete how many and from where ROK of ROI

I heard we might be getting Varunastra torpedos and Akash medium-range air defense system.
also something about Kamorta-class ASW corvette

 

[Thiha the Lion]

History of Myanmar ( Pinya/Ava ) AD 1297-1527

History of Myanmar ( Toungoo/Nyaungyan ) AD 1528-1752

Bayinnaung of Toungoo Dynasty ruled over the largest mainland empire in SE Asia and, mobilized the largest army in Burmese history. I would disagree with Harvey's stance on the numbers of troops mentioned in Burmese chronicles . Numbers were truely exaggerated for Bagan period and in some occasions . However, applying this logic universally do not correct it all . If we take Chinese records were comtemporary and correct , then Shan kingdoms of Hsenwi and Mongmeik assembled an army of 30000 each. Mighty Ming requird 150,000 to subdue Mong Mao in its fourth Luchuan-Pingmian campaigns . House of Mong Mao later moved its base to Mong Yang and would go on to destroy Ava almost a century later. Bayinnaung who ruled over above all kingdoms , numbering more than 3 dozens polities, had the capacity to amass massive manpower and fighting forces .

 

[mejikuhibiu]

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before you delete how many and from where ROK of ROI

I heard we might be getting Varunastra torpedos and Akash medium-range air defense system.
also something about Kamorta-class ASW corvette

Nice kilo sub for Myanmar..n for Makassar class lpd i heard that pt.pal Indonesia had order by asian nation for this type lpd..maybe Philipine or other asian country